Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Pallets- I think your trying to make fruit salad with apples and oranges. I drove 18 wheelers for the 2nd Armored Div. during the Vietnam War and we used wooden pallets not aluminum and there were no cargo containers. Even when I drove loads to the airfield for transport it was nothing fancy just your everyday wooden pallet loaded per the loadmaster.
Keep in mind the time frame.

According to this web site, the 463L Air Cargo Pallet has been in use by the U.S. Armed Forces since the 1950's...

Unless you were loading spacecraft for a first-of-its kind, Above Top Secret, interstellar alien exchange program (assuming one did in fact take palce), then they are two distinct experiences... apples and oranges indeed!

it says they died 3 years into their vist but, it doesn't say when they died...did they die the same year? or spread out within the 3 years including the trip there?

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Read this next sentence slowly and carefullly-
Post #5: Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data.

Why mention laptops? Everyone knows they weren't available then. This statement is totally out of place. Unless they mean that the Serponauts should have invented laptops by then.

I am how you say....freaked out- Bigfoot(mythbusters commercial)

Thanks to garyo1954

GOOD JOB!! This is one part of why I thought was a huge problem with the term 'laptop'. Laptop was not invented in the 1960s, only mainframe computers were existing in that era.
Talk about sloppy writing....on 'anon'..or Victor...or whomever.
Laptops didn't come into the scene, I believe the very early 1990s.
And notice that most military/intelligence personnel probably would'nt say that word. I think 'computer' would've made more sense, crudely speaking.

A kid in the 1950s who sees a UFO would say "I saw a flying saucer!"
A kid in the 2000s would say "I think I saw a UFO! It looks like one of those triangular craft!"
Funny how language and slang changes almost each decade in an evolutionary shift.

Again..good job!

-Sanctum1972

Originally posted by sdrumrunner

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Pallets- Even when I drove loads to the airfield for transport it was nothing fancy just your everyday wooden pallet loaded per the loadmaster.
Keep in mind the time frame.

According to this web site, the 463L Air Cargo Pallet has been in use by the U.S. Armed Forces since the 1950's...

Unless you were loading spacecraft for a first-of-its kind, Above Top Secret, interstellar alien exchange program (assuming one did in fact take palce), then they are two distinct experiences... apples and oranges indeed!

I might also add that I worked at that jetport I mentioned in 1970, and that the aluminum pallets were already standard at that time. There's no way wood was allowed on those planes because of fire hazard as well as weight concerns.
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Originally posted by waffleprime
it says they died 3 years into their vist but, it doesn't say when they died...did they die the same year? or spread out within the 3 years including the trip there?

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Post #6: For example, when our first Team Member died in an accident, it was hard to communicate with the Ebens. The member died instantly, therefore, no medical care was provided. Our two doctors examined the Member's body and determined the injuries were consistent with an accidental fall. Initially, the Ebens never interfered with our care or offered to provide any of their medical care.

Notice the first memeber died in an accident.
He died instantly.
No medical care was provided.
The doctors examined the body (although this is not true of later posts).
And we are assured the first member dies of what appears to be an accidental fall (while sitting in a bowl/container/sphere? - G)

Run with it, waffle!

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quote:
"GOOD JOB!! This is one part of why I thought was a huge problem with the term 'laptop'. Laptop was not invented in the 1960s, only mainframe computers were existing in that era".



Anonymous is responding to us. He is a team member in his 80's who was a DIA Serpo team member who never went to Serpo. Lets not confuse apples with oranges here.

But I want to state my recollection was regarding the deaths that there were first twelve then even Bill confessed there were now thirteen after the last two posts. I think after the last two posts the group was dumbfounded for a day then all hell broke loose with doubt. There were 12 then 13 because of 308. This is a discrepency that anon must reconcile.

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Promomag ,

The link you posted to does not prove the Oppenheimer-Einstein Draft to be a hoax.

First the article attacks the UFO researchers , then say's the Document is " too perfect" , then talks about a couple of spelling errors , and last but not least " E=MJ^2!"

Hardly convincing.

Originally posted by idbltrl001

As far as aliens not considering us to be equals -

They wouldn't, and couldn't consider us in the same way that we consider animals. Animals do not write novels, musical compositions, or the theory of relativity. Animals don't drive around in cars, or fly around in airplanes that their own kind manufactured. Anyone in the universe would consider us "intelligent life". Exactly how intelligent is certainly debatable, but we are not looked at as animals. We couldn't possibly be.

This may depend on your point of view, or a point of view that we cannot yet imagine...

Yes, Human Beings are differentiated from what we call "animals" by the systematic behaviors identifed as "culture".

Although the development of a complex technical capability (and advanced communication and perceptive skills) may set us apart from all other indigenous life on this world, it does not yet begin to set a comprehensive boundary.

What further "benchmarks"--hallmarks of an "awareness" even greater than our own--may yet exist which will distinguish us from a form of life older, and far more "experienced", than we are?

We cannot rule out the probability that, just as we pigeon-hole other "creatures" based on their perceived "lack" of awareness or capabilities, that more advanced forms of life may hold similar manifest biases against us.

As Below, so Above... and Beyond; if my meaning may become more clear??

And we cannot guess at the Above, but only through looking at the Below, and being unafraid to exchange our place.


One man's "being", may be another man's "creature"...

...or the next Eben's "animal".


We just don't know.


Intelligence is relative. It is all in the mind of the beholder.


[And never mind at all, if the Ebens really did "create" us for their own purposes--in much the same way that Man created his own "best friend", D-O-G...]


My thoughts,

Serpentime

Originally posted by Sanctum1972

Read this next sentence slowly and carefullly-
Post #5: Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data.

Why mention laptops? Everyone knows they weren't available then. This statement is totally out of place. Unless they mean that the Serponauts should have invented laptops by then.

I am how you say....freaked out- Bigfoot(mythbusters commercial)

Thanks to garyo1954

GOOD JOB!! This is one part of why I thought was a huge problem with the term 'laptop'. Laptop was not invented in the 1960s, only mainframe computers were existing in that era.
Talk about sloppy writing....on 'anon'..or Victor...or whomever.
Laptops didn't come into the scene, I believe the very early 1990s.
And notice that most military/intelligence personnel probably would'nt say that word. I think 'computer' would've made more sense, crudely speaking.

A kid in the 1950s who sees a UFO would say "I saw a flying saucer!"
A kid in the 2000s would say "I think I saw a UFO! It looks like one of those triangular craft!"
Funny how language and slang changes almost each decade in an evolutionary shift.

Again..good job!

-Sanctum1972

I think you may be overanalyzing here. Anon is answering questions in the present, so of course he is going to use terms of the present. A laptop these days is almost commonplace to the work environment, and that means the government as well, I know. I think his remark at not having a laptop to record information was nothing more than a little joke that in those days they were not fortunate enough to have them. If you read his next statement:

3) Lively discussions brings out some very interesting questions. Some of which I cannot find answers to. Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data. They had two recorders, who were responsible for writing down the data. Our team acknowledged that a lot of data was lost or not documented.

He fully acknowledges the fact that back then, the only means of recording information was to write it down.

the laptop comment is a non-issue.
the full comment is in response to a question posed and anon says "Lively discussions brings out some very interesting questions. Some of which I cannot find answers to. Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data. They had two recorders, who were responsible for writing down the data. Our team acknowledged that a lot of data was lost or not documented."

makes sense when you read it all

yep, that right! I'm goin nowhere with it. you right it does state the first person died there...what the heck planet was I on.

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Look I didn't say the aluminum pallets didn't exist. I merely stated my experience in the U.S.Army. I didn't load anything. I was a driver. The loadmaster determined the load. Everything I hauled was on wooden pallets. And I hauled everything as I said. I was only trying to point out a military perspective. The 2nd Armored Div. is a huge force and if you do some research I'm sure you'll find that they use standardized methods of transport. Thats all I was gettin at.
Kruel read it again.
Crakeur, I didnt take anything out of context. Are you trying to say that they ran out of ink so just to fill in the gaps that are missing they reference a technology that doesn't exist?

Originally posted by promomag
What I'm saying is, if you're going to accept something like EBE as an acronym for Extra-terrestrial Biological Entity as fact, then there should be something to back up that fact.

As another member has already shown you, if you type in "EBE" at www.acronymfinder.com, the very first return is "Extraterrestrial Biological Entity."

It is a well-known and accepted acronym within those who have an interest in the UFO phenomenon. But even more importantly, the history of the acronym in not relevant to the Serpo discussion in any way.

Nonetheless, several members were courteous enough to spoon feed you links to reported historical documents which provide a historical record of the use of the term... just as you asked.

However, despite the fact that many of these documents are considered authentic by educated people who have devoted a good portion of their lives into the professional research of these and other documents, you feel self-assured stating the following:

Originally posted by promomag
HOAX HOAX HOAX

See this posting on ATS from 2002 from the Forum Moderator telling you why it is a HOAX.

I don't know whether or not you even chose to read the post you referenced, but it is hardly conclusive. However, I think one defining character that separates most of the contributors to this thread from yourself is that we generally don't let others tell us why we should believe something... we tend to want to find out for ourselves. We refer to this as "denying ignorance." It's rather catchy, and in fact is has taken hold as a slogan of sorts around these parts.

However, as it is your freedom to post and say what you wish, and I, well... I can choose to no longer feed the trolls.


"You have added promomag to your Ignore List.
Refresh the current page to remove their posts from the thread."


For others, who such as myself, might at times get frustrated trying to cut through the (fortunately) few antagonizing posts which don't contribute to the actual discussion of the topic, I highly recommend this course of action.

Originally posted by Kruel

Read this next sentence slowly and carefullly-
Post #5: Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data.

I got the impression that Anon was just saying this to remind people that they had to keep data differently back then (pen and paper). Of course there were no laptops back then. I don't see what the confusion is here.

Yes, you are right Kruel. I had to go back and check it again. I was using the notes I made the other night. But it is in post #5, termed 3). It read:

3) Lively discussions brings out some very interesting questions. Some of which I cannot find answers to. Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data. They had two recorders, who were responsible for writing down the data. Our team acknowledged that a lot of data was lost or not documented.

We have to assume this was written much like:

Post #5: Athough the Eben civilization had no televisions, radios, etc., each Eben had a small device belted to their waists. This device gave orders to perform a particular task, news of pending events, etc. The device displayed a screen, similar to a television screen but in a 3-D style format. Our team brought back one of these devices. (I think today, we could
compare it to a palm pilot.)

Parens are not mine.
Glad you made me check it.



Edit: Including everybody else who checked it as well!
Thanks!

Cowboy didn't take it out of context.
I posted it out of context if anything.
I should make better notes.
I'll make a note of that.
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Originally posted by kinglizard
If this "story" is true how do we ignore the fact that the SERPO website is still running. If they were really publishing this type of Nth level top secret information about some Alien exchange program they would have been shut down before you could refresh the page...Period.

*sniff* *sniff* something doesn't smell right.....

This is from an email that Brian Parks distributed publicly on the "Unauthorized Disclosure of Classified Information and Philip Klass FBI Files". Apparently, he found this in the declassified Philip Klass FBI File. I've been looking for the source for this document, but don't have it. If you want to write to Brian and find the source, U2U me and I'll forward the original email from Victor's list to you.

What does it mean? I don't know. But if AFOSI policy is to avoid prosecution in cases where it would verify the leak of classified material, that's not an unrealistic answer to your question.

Of course, the material on Serpo.org could simply be bogus. We just don't know.

Source: Brian Parks
From Director FBI 5/11/76

To SAC, Newark



Subject: Philip Klass



Classified: SECRET



Quotation in part as follows:



"In 1958, Klass was the subject of an investigation in connection with the unauthorized disclosure of classified information in an 'Aviation Week' magazine article written by Klass. Since the classified information contained in the article could not be declassified for the purposes of prosecution, no action was taken in this matter."



Final Remarks: "In view of Klass' intemperate criticism and other often irrational statements he made to support them, it was recommended that the Bureau be most circumspect in any future contacts with him."



What does this tell us?



Authorities such as the FBI will not pursue "leak" investigations if such prosecution or attention verifies the accuracy of classified "leak" information. AFOSI regulation also reflects the same caution.




Klass (Patriotic Flag Waver on the UFO Secrecy Subject) was involved in the leak of classified information. Hoover to CIA
Memo from the files dated 11-9-64 explains that AFOSI decided not to pursue for the same reasons as above. The 1958 investigation files are not in the material released and are on appeal.





Brian Parks

Torrance, Ca.

3) Lively discussions brings out some very interesting questions. Some of which I cannot find answers to. Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data. They had two recorders, who were responsible for writing down the data. Our team acknowledged that a lot of data was lost or not documented.

He fully acknowledges the fact that back then, the only means of recording information was to write it down.



Okay, even so if this was the case that they had two recorders. . .does that mean in reference to the TWO other crew-members or the two Ebens as voluntary recorders? Even though, each person was expected to write their own journal to record their observations/experiences....it's the other TWO that records only the scientific/technical aspects of their mission...am I to understand that correctly?

Why bring modern tech into the story when it would have been so much easier to say:

3) Lively discussions brings out some very interesting questions. Some of which I cannot find answers to. Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, the only way to enter all the data were the two recorders, who were responsible for writing down the data. Our team acknowledged that a lot of data was lost or not documented.

Originally posted by Sanctum1972


3) Lively discussions brings out some very interesting questions. Some of which I cannot find answers to. Although our team spent over a decade (our time) on Serpo and nearby planets, they did not have a laptop computer to enter all data. They had two recorders, who were responsible for writing down the data. Our team acknowledged that a lot of data was lost or not documented.

He fully acknowledges the fact that back then, the only means of recording information was to write it down.

Okay, even so if this was the case that they had two recorders. . .does that mean in reference to the TWO other crew-members or the two Ebens as voluntary recorders? Even though, each person was expected to write their own journal to record their observations/experiences....it's the other TWO that records only the scientific/technical aspects of their mission...am I to understand that correctly?

I'm not sure where you're getting the two voluntary EBEN recorders from. I'm almost positive that though all crew members were encouraged to keep their own journals, these would have been from a personal, biased, emotional aspect. The two recorders he spoke of would have been responsible for keeping a factual, scientific, technical, and unbiased account of all activities while on mission. Just the facts logs.

This is my opinion.

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Originally posted by Sanctum1972

. . .does that mean in reference to the TWO other crew-members or the two Ebens as voluntary recorders? Even though, each person was expected to write their own journal to record their observations/experiences....it's the other TWO that records only the scientific/technical aspects of their mission...am I to understand that correctly?

Good question Sanctum.

Post #6: A group of Ebens learned to understand English and a few other Earth languages.

And:

Post #6: The Travelers (the very few who understood English numbered about 30) did not fully understand all words in our language. Later, the Ebens called our language too complicated and difficult to understand.

And:

Post #6: Eventually we crudely translated some of the languge. We started with simple items, for example, the flying object that they used to travel around their planet on. Then things like houses, roads, food, clothing, their suns, their planet, etc. Although we did establish some form of communication, it was crude and not always helpful for our Team when something complicated happened.

I am not sure there is enough info here to make more than an educated guess that the recorders had to be team members since our language was too complicated and our communications were crude.