Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by noslenwerd
the one major thing that turns me off from the whole thing is that they weren't even CLOSE to right on the second crash date...

i would like to think its true but i really dont know. you would think whether the story is true or not, they would have reviewed the facts and atleast got the dates right

This was something Bill Ryan mentioned on C2C, is that the information given by Anon must be true because it IS different from what we would expect. He said, if it were a hoax the person would have gone to great lengths to make all the physics and everything work out and seem legitimate. I think that this is faulty logic, but others did agree with him.

Originally posted by noslenwerd
the one major thing that turns me off from the whole thing is that they weren't even CLOSE to right on the second crash date...

i would like to think its true but i really dont know. you would think whether the story is true or not, they would have reviewed the facts and atleast got the dates right

This brings up something that I often wonder about...

...IF the government did bring all of its secrets out, and the exact details didn't match ufo folklore... would ufo enthusiasts be willing to accept these new details? I mean... if this is real than we can't complain about whether or not this date matches up to our legends.

BTW... my imporession was that Anon said that the second crash site just wasn't discovered until years later... which fits some retrieval legends.

Originally posted by Hal9000

This was something Bill Ryan mentioned on C2C, is that the information given by Anon must be true because it IS different from what we would expect. He said, if it were a hoax the person would have gone to great lengths to make all the physics and everything work out and seem legitimate. I think that this is faulty logic, but others did agree with him.

I really don't know what to think. But all the eyewitness accounts, as well as the guy who owned the ranch (Can't remember his name, began with a B) Gave a much different date.

Maybe if Gazrok reads this he can back me up here.

Can't wait to see the photo's should be interesting although still not IMO undisputable proof we shall see I guesss!

Although I do want to believe this I've got a few questions/thougths about the information being released that don't seem to quite gel!

1: Would Military personnel be allowed the freedom especially on such a mission of this magnitude to say oh I'm not coming back I like it to much here see you around??? surely they would have to report back for a full de-briefing etc etc.

2: As is mentioned many times in the documentation released so far this was an 'EXCHANGE PROGRAM' but so far there has been no mention of any EBE team sent to earth on a similar type of mission.

3. There has been no mention has to what the EBE's looked like apart from to say that they all looked very similar.

4. It says in the text The EBEN's relocated to there new planet 5000 years ago! Shortly followed by a contradictory statement The EBEN's have been space travellers for 2000 years???

5: The team members did take time pieces with them to help collect and record data but after a while started to use the EBEN's time and date system where as earlier in the posts it says the EBEN's had no form of measuring time and did not understand the teams ways of looking at/measuring time to me this suggests that it wouldn't have been that easy to just decide to start using the EBEN's system

Originally posted by noslenwerd

Originally posted by Hal9000

This was something Bill Ryan mentioned on C2C, is that the information given by Anon must be true because it IS different from what we would expect. He said, if it were a hoax the person would have gone to great lengths to make all the physics and everything work out and seem legitimate. I think that this is faulty logic, but others did agree with him.

I really don't know what to think. But all the eyewitness accounts, as well as the guy who owned the ranch (Can't remember his name, began with a B) Gave a much different date.

Maybe if Gazrok reads this he can back me up here.

You're thinking of a different crash.

The 'roswell' one that has made its way into ufo lore was the one at corona. This is the one with mac brazel and jesse marcel (the one that made it to the papers). This one was -- if you look at the oldest resports, even -- found by a team of archeaologists.

The second crash Anon is talking about is the one that didn't make it to the papers.

He doesn't have his dates wrong... he's just framing things with the help of more information.

But I would still think that if the powers that be wanted to, they could still keep it classified and shut down this whole thing.

I agree. That's why I think that the NSC is the wildcard in this whole thing. They could shut it down and silence any bona fide leaks through the usual means (intimidation, etc.) The question is, if this is for real, who's got the information and what's their leverage? I always think of "cancer man" from the x-files and wonder whether there is a group of people out there that are waiting for instructions on whether to put a lid on this thing.

Now, another thought is that the people who are releasing this information are only going to do so in a way where there's some credible evidence, but nothing physical. It leaves the administation open to denying comment on the documents, thereby leaving their authenticity in question. Maybe the military will have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for aliens now?

Personally, I'm starting to think there's "something" to this story... I'm just not sure what yet. Another hoax? I'm not seeing it. More disinformation? I'm concerned, but that doesn't seem likely either. Actual disclosure? Again, doubtful. What I really think is that someone actual has and wants to disclose information to us. Some of it is probably genuine and it will just add to the MJ-12 style documents we already have, just with new information and new investigations to lead to inconclusive results. I do not think the current administration will acknowledge the truth of the matter, but, then again, none of the people in the administration may have actual first-hand knowledge of the events.

Also, thanks for the "way above". It's truly appreciated. I enjoy researching these topics, but it makes it truly worthwhile and others are stimulated by the research, regardless of whether or not they agree with my conclusions

The team members did take time pieces with them to help collect and record data but after a while started to use the EBEN's time and date system where as earlier in the posts it says the EBEN's had no form of measuring time and did not understand the teams ways of looking at/measuring time to me this suggests that it wouldn't have been that easy to just decide to start using the EBEN's system

This keeps bothering me, too... but in one of the earlier comment, Paul McGovern wrote:

The visitors were extremely disciplined in their daily lives. Every visitor worked on a schedule, which was not by a clock, but by the movement of their sun. Each little community had a large tower, which filtered the sun through. When the sun was at a particular point on the tower, it meant the visitors had to do a particular thing.

It could be that the Ebens didn't assign a label to time, the way we do, or see time in increments, like we do. Our civilization is very tightly bound to the concept that time is measured in discrete intervals. We don't have much of a sense of time "flowing" -- we perceive that increments "pass".

If you think about time being like a river, you don't measure your position on the river by how many liters/second of water have passed you. You measure your position by a reference marker that's unrelated to any discrete, quantitative measure of the river's flow. When I think about it like this, I start to get an idea of where how another civilization might perceive time, but the concept is still so foreign to me that it's truly hard to visualize.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
You're thinking of a different crash.

The 'roswell' one that has made its way into ufo lore was the one at corona. This is the one with mac brazel and jesse marcel (the one that made it to the papers). This one was -- if you look at the oldest resports, even -- found by a team of archeaologists.

The second crash Anon is talking about is the one that didn't make it to the papers.

I believe that Stanton Freedman concluded that two UFO's crashed in 1947, and this second disc is the one noslenwerd is referring to. Mac Brazel found the first, but a pilot who was searching the area found the second one. I have also heard the rumor that an archeologist found the second disc. So maybe it was a different crash altogether that occurred in 1949 that Anon is talking about. This could be where the rumor of the archeologist came into being. And like you said it didn’t make the papers and was less well known. I don't know.

Like most of you I am waiting for more. And I have many of the same concerns as has been mentioned.

Last night after reading this again, I lay down and it struck me that several months ago there was a post here from an individual who claimed to have certain information and asked how would one disseminate it and protect it.

I don't know why I put the two ideas together but accordingly I remembered the reference he/she made that his information was on several discs (six I think) and held by different people. This was, if memory serves, to protect the parties and the information independently.

How these two incidents tie together I don't know. But the SERPO stuff caused me to recall that post.

Perhaps it is because of the enormous amount of information claimed. Some 3000 pages I believe?

I see where time is a construct of our race and likely time as a linear concept might be unnecessary to any other.

My first thought on the two landings was the Zamora incident as many did.
The continuity/consistency of this evidence(?) is very good, often leaving us to fill in the blanks which accounts for our misinterpretation on certain ideas.

I do wonder why certain necessary observations that would be made by many of us have been left out and why the Team did not have a better working knowledge of the Ebens language before they made an historic assimilation.

Too, if one of our pilots had been trained to fly the ship as the writers says (in emergency to escape), why could the Team not just follow the Ebens home at a safe distance and return at whatever point they felt threatened?

Guess we'll have to wait and see.



[edit on 9-12-2005 by garyo1954]

robertfenix...Thanks for the Zamora UFO info ( I might read the book by Eastland). I do have a problem with the Tea-Mex story since it ends up just being a story and no physical proof is left. Quite a lot of dangerous work was done by stealing parts and then flying an unproven concept around New Mexico. Why in the world would these guys not come forward now if they still have the engine and "trashed" the ship. I would think they would be quite popular with a lot of people and I think jail time would be very unlikely. I also have a problem in that they say they wrecked the ship the same day, yet a lot of other sightings occured that same week (and one in France a year later) describing the same ship. The one thing that makes me believe this story is the guy rode a motorcycle...I know a lot of engineers that love to ride at my work. But I also know a lot of bikers that are real good liars.


Just so I don't turn this topic into a Socorro UFO debate, I'll limit my comments. But I do have a couple issues:

1) If this craft was human made, would not the Air Force be hunting these guys down on radar the same day (April 24th) that some intergalactic landing was happening? Wouldn't the military be pretty paranoid about who was in the surrounding air space? (hmmm they did show up to investigate pretty fast but wasn't it the next day?...not sure on that)

2) So if we assume Zamora's UFO is not the same as what Anon is saying landed near Socorro then who were the other guys that Zamora saw? According to Anon, the first EBENs ship, that landed in Socorro by mistake, showed up that afternoon...Zamora's sighting was I belive around 4:45pm or 5:45pm. Man that is quite a coincidence, but I'll be cool and say there's a chance that the two are not related.

3) If this was a NASA experimental project, why in the hell would they be testing it on the same day and in the same area that aliens from another planet were coming to land to make official first contact?? Wouldn't they be afraid that they may "spook" the aliens by flying around unproven craft in the same area? Would you test fly new stealth aircraft from Nellis on the same day aliens were landing at Groom Lake? Wouldn't that just be complicating things beyond reason?

4) If this was a NASA/Moon lander or propane based lifting body...what's the big secrect? We all know what moon landers do. Is a propane thruster attached to a blimp or glider that top secrect? They can release Stealth pictures and fly it at airshows but the govt won't show us a propane blimp? Why would the govt. not admit this stuff by now?

Ok enough said...I'm not ripping on anyone or trying to debunk this thing, I just don't want to get caught up in wishful thinking. Zamora's UFO may not be related to the Serpo story and maybe it was a human UFO created in a garage. I'm just being careful and I appreciate everyone's opinion.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams

You're thinking of a different crash.

The 'roswell' one that has made its way into ufo lore was the one at corona. This is the one with mac brazel and jesse marcel (the one that made it to the papers). This one was -- if you look at the oldest resports, even -- found by a team of archeaologists.

The second crash Anon is talking about is the one that didn't make it to the papers.

He doesn't have his dates wrong... he's just framing things with the help of more information.

Ahh ok my apologies. The reason I assumed they were talking about the Roswell crash was because there were actually TWO crash sites for the roswell incident. So I assumed it was the second roswell crash site when they said "second site".

But we all know what they say about assuming

I want this to be real. I log onto serpo.org every two hours or so simply because I want to be the first to see the pictures.

But WHY do I want it to be real... and why am I going along with it so far... especially considering that we have seen no proof so far?

The bottom line, I think, is that this 'disclosure' is enticing and exciting simply because the aliens do not appear to be hostile. They also are humane, somewhat similar to humans, and so small in number -- 650,000 -- that they don't seem threatening. They are, in other words, an alien group that we can all deal with. They're not threatening and, apparently, they're nice enough to let humans roam around their planet without interference.

This seems to good to be true... which makes me believe that it actually may be true. Yes, that sounds contradictory. Think about it, though: If you were in charge of disclosing information about ETs to the public would you first reveal a lot of stuff that relates to billions of alien life forms -- and some that were hostile -- or would you choose to show just a little bit of information about a small population of benign aliens? I think, if you were trying to avoid shocking the public, that you might start off with an example of aliens that were few in number and gentle.

Heck... the first picture you might release could be one of... cute little alien kids playing soccer

I'm hooked now. I keep going back to look for new postings.

I'm curious what the journal entries and photos are going to look like. I'm more curious about the journal entries, although I know that pictures will be one of the defining points of these stories in deciding whether they are fact or fiction...

Please don't let this turn out to be another "Prophet Yahweh."

Originally posted by Boogie


1) If this craft was human made, would not the Air Force be hunting these guys down on radar the same day (April 24th) that some intergalactic landing was happening? Wouldn't the military be pretty paranoid about who was in the surrounding air space? (hmmm they did show up to investigate pretty fast but wasn't it the next day?...not sure on that)

Because they did not "hop" high enough to be picked up on radar, Zamora never said I saw this object at 5,000 feet and come down. He only reports to see it near the ground when he is checking out a possibly car crash and then he chases it. He says it does lift into the air, but he never estimates how high. In classic lunar lander project style the experimental crafts usually were never flown higher then 50 to 75 feet in the air max, too low for radar.

2) So if we assume Zamora's UFO is not the same as what Anon is saying landed near Socorro then who were the other guys that Zamora saw? According to Anon, the first EBENs ship, that landed in Socorro by mistake, showed up that afternoon...Zamora's sighting was I belive around 4:45pm or 5:45pm. Man that is quite a coincidence, but I'll be cool and say there's a chance that the two are not related.

These multiple sightings are all the NASA stuff since there was no real alien ships that landed in the area that day.

3) If this was a NASA experimental project, why in the hell would they be testing it on the same day and in the same area that aliens from another planet were coming to land to make official first contact?? Wouldn't they be afraid that they may "spook" the aliens by flying around unproven craft in the same area? Would you test fly new stealth aircraft from Nellis on the same day aliens were landing at Groom Lake? Wouldn't that just be complicating things beyond reason?

Again no real alien landing occured that day, its being kept from the general public because the Goverment is trying to use the Zamora "evidence" as a means of disinformation. Basically to keep people looking for the wrong things and associating human crafts with UFO confuses associating non human crafts with regular human made crafts

4) If this was a NASA/Moon lander or propane based lifting body...what's the big secrect? We all know what moon landers do. Is a propane thruster attached to a blimp or glider that top secrect? They can release Stealth pictures and fly it at airshows but the govt won't show us a propane blimp? Why would the govt. not admit this stuff by now?

Because they are using the Zamora incident as disinformation within the UFO community

Before Anon's pictures are posted....

It might be useful to discuss what type of photo we would consider to be 'proof'. Otherwise, I feel that we will have a situation where even great photos (or, conversely, obvious fakes) can be dismissed or supported on an arbitrary basis.

Personally, I feel that if the photos do not appear to be photoshopped and yet contain details that could not be reproduced on earth (a valley full of weird plants, for instance) they should be taken seriously. If we see figures that cannot, due to body dimensions, be people in suits they should be taken seriously as well....

...on the other hand, I think that the photos should not be rejected if they don't appear to be weird enough or if the alien house DOES look like a standard adobe house (like the ones seen in NM or arizona). This is because we should not use our standard for what alien houses look like -- as seen in movies like star wars -- to determine if something we are looking at is really an alien house.

In other words... I think that we should not judge the Serpo photos based upon what our (culturally enforced) standards of what an alien (or alien house) is or should be. IF these are real... the house might look as 'boring' as the bungalow you grew up in as a kid.

I think onlyinmydreams has made a very important observation! It seems there has been quite a bit of buzz lately about the media and government prepping our society for contact. This whole SERPO ordeal seems only to be taking it to the next level. I agree completely, if the government was facing a major contact event the best way to prep the public to avoid shock is to release info about a benign and non threatening race with which we have a pleasant history.

I also think we should really try and get Anon and the author of the serpo site to give us some kind of exclusive. Wouldn’t this make a great editorial for ATS? The first step though is by appealing to our own board leaders. I’m not into the politics of the board but if someone, a mod maybe, can describe what the proper workflow for this kind of request is, I would appreciate it.

And BTW Centrist, you got my way above a little while ago

Originally posted by Whiterabbit29
Although I do want to believe this I've got a few questions/thougths about the information being released that don't seem to quite gel!

1: Would Military personnel be allowed the freedom especially on such a mission of this magnitude to say oh I'm not coming back I like it to much here see you around??? surely they would have to report back for a full de-briefing etc etc.

2: As is mentioned many times in the documentation released so far this was an 'EXCHANGE PROGRAM' but so far there has been no mention of any EBE team sent to earth on a similar type of mission.

3. There has been no mention has to what the EBE's looked like apart from to say that they all looked very similar.

I'll tackle a few of these.

1. Put yourself in that person's shoes. What are the repercussions of not returning home? Are they going to reprimand that group member from a different solar system? It's not as though there were, according the story, regular military trips to Serpo.

2. It was mentioned on the C2C show. The sole survivor of the initial crash lived until 1952. During that time period, the EBE and our military supposedly agreed to the exchange program. They send another ship with an EBE and our group flew that ship to their planet. There were more EBEs that came to Earth down the road, according to Bill Ryan.

3. Once again from the C2C show, and consider the following source, Richard Doty claimed to have seen a video tape, during the 80's, of the last known EBE before the project ended. He claims that it looked like the standard grey. Also, that it spoke in a very wraspy voice. Almost inaudible. (I don't view Doty as all that credible considering his past.)

edit: Those are good points regarding the photos, onlyinmydreams. But I will have to refrain from making judgements until I see them. It is hard to say what we should consider as acceptable, but I think your point is that the photos (if released) may turn out to be not all that exciting. They will definitely make or break this case.

Originally posted by noise
I also think we should really try and get Anon and the author of the serpo site to give us some kind of exclusive. Wouldn’t this make a great editorial for ATS?

Skeptic Overlord is already on it, which he posted back on page 2.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I've invited a representative of the serpo.org website to participate in discussions here on ATS via either an exclusive interview, an event in our guest speaker's forum, or a podcast interview. I'll let everyone know what the response is.

We are eagerly awaiting an update.

[edit on 12/9/2005 by Hal9000]

Quite right, onlyinmydreams.

Trying to put aside any and all preconceived notions of what we see, assuming the photos are released at all, is most prudent.

Why discuss posting pictures at all, why not just post them?

And now in the consistencies page they are using a movie "Close encounters of the 3rd kind" as a means to validate the story?



Seeing is believing, or is it?

Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Why discuss posting pictures at all, why not just post them?

And now in the consistencies page they are using a movie "Close encounters of the 3rd kind" as a means to validate the story?

The following is part of the post from Anon:

Also, we are working on obtaining four photographs taken by our Team Members of Serpo. I will scan them into my computer and then e-mail them to you. You can send them to Bill Ryan for inclusion into the Serpo Web site.

We'll know soon enough if this is all bs.