Video: US mercenaries Randomly Shooting Iraqis

if russia sent mercs to chechnya, they would be russian mercs in chechnya. if they came from somewhere else, they would be mercs from somewhere else in chechnya. who they work for and where they are from are two different things.

How silly of me to not attack denialism head on.

If American citizens hired as Mercs working for a foreign dictatorship were caught randomly shooting citizens in an occupation zone, and I posted a thread titled 'US Mercs gun down innocents' would you let that stand, or would you want them re-titled?

The denialism would again kick in and you would demand that they were not US Mercs because they were not under the command of US Forces.

Originally posted by ArchAngelIf American citizens hired as Mercs working for a foreign dictatorship were caught randomly shooting citizens in an occupation zone, and I posted a thread titled 'US Mercs gun down innocents' would you let that stand, or would you want them re-titled?

The denialism would again kick in and you would demand that they were not US Mercs because they were not under the command of US Forces.

if an american mercenary did the shooting, yes it would be an american mercenary.

this was a south african mercenary working for a british firm.

your title for this thread is wrong. the only one in denial is you. you have even admitted that the shooters are not american. how can you still sit there and argue this? are you that stubborn that you can admit that the facts point to one thing and the title points in the wrong direction?


why not be a man and admit that the title should be changed or, better yet, simply change it. I'll even give you the wording that will be vague enough to imply that they are US mercs, even when they are not. This way, your anti-US propaganda will still be there, without actually making things up.

Mercenaries Hired by US randomly shoot at Iraqi's

your title for this thread is wrong. the only one in denial is you. you have even admitted that the shooters are not american.

I never denied anything.


As they serve the US forces they represent the US forces making the US Mercs.

You simply do not like the spin.

Please save your breath for someone you may be able to convince.

It all looks like you are trying to convince yourself.

There is as much proof that these are coalition mercs as there is that they are insurgents. English accents on a radio in the background proves nothing.


This is nothing more than terrorist propaganda. Prove me wrong, you cant, just as you cannot prove that those are coalition or private mercs.

But the title of the thread still says Americans...hardly suprising coming from our local insurgent cheeleader Arch.

I think you guys are totally losing me....
Head is spinning....

So....lets take this out of american hands for a moment and see if we understand the basis behind this..

Conscripts from say Scotland payed by Ireland are Irish Conscripts?

(South American merc payed by US = US Merc?)

Talk about a head spinner.....

Jesus, if I was hired by Iraq to be a security member, I sure wouldn't want to be called an Iraqi merc.

I'm an American!

Ok, I'm going to take some advil...back to the show....
-DT

As a result of your last post:

You have added skippytjc to your Ignore List. Refresh the current page to remove their posts from the thread.

The fact that Arch is sticking to his blatantly dishonest title, despite the fact that even he knows he's wrong, just proves he's stubborn. Funny he called me a "denialist", when he knows full well I believe the Iraq war was wrong.

With him it's all or nothing. If one does not completely buy into his extreme leanings, they are denialists and full supporters of all he opposes. That's an extremely narrow minded, and even childish view. Perhaps some self reflection is in order, Arch?

One day you might actually have some useful information to share, but when you post it, I suspect it will be immediately dismissed because of your track record of posting only the most negative, biased info you can about the very country you snuggle up safely in. How's the weather in Florida right now? I'll bet it's pretty nice.

ok, headache is sort of gone...how about.

"South African Mercenaries, working for a British Security firm, Hired by the Americans are shooting civilians!"

-DT

Originally posted by Derek Trance
ok, headache is sort of gone...how about.

"South African Mercenaries, working for a British Security firm, Hired by the Americans are shooting civilians!"

-DT

For the heck of it I just checked, and I can't change the title.

There is a time limit on editing posts.

....not that I was going to edit it seeing how it is accurate in my opinion.

Is this the same news?

Telegraph

There are no clues as to the shooter but either a Scottish or Irish accent can be heard in at least one of the clips above Elvis Presley's Mystery Train, the music which accompanies the video.

The Foreign Office has also confirmed that it is investigating the contents of the video in conjunction with Aegis, one of the biggest security companies operating in Iraq. The company was recently awarded a £220 million security contract in Iraq by the United States government. Aegis conducts a number of security duties and helped with the collection of ballot papers in the country's recent referendum

Wow, you are wrong and I know you realize it, and so does every other member on here but yet your stubbornness wont allow you to step up and admit it. You will still continue to say you are right when every fact points against you.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Wow, you are wrong and I know you realize it, and so does every other member on here but yet your stubbornness wont allow you to step up and admit it. You will still continue to say you are right when every fact points against you.

I know that I am right, and your reactionary denialism does not make me wrong.

The Mercs were in the employ of the US STATE.

That makes them US Mercs.

Just as the US is blamed for the actions of US soldiers the US will also be blamed for the actions of these Mercs no matter if you deny it or not.

You fail to see the point here.

Your opinion matters not.

What matters is what the rest of the world thinks....

[edit on 30-11-2005 by ArchAngel]

Actually, factual information matters more than personal opinion. Your statement is factually incorrect, but your opinion is yours and your entitled to it no matter how off it is from the truth.

[edit on 30-11-2005 by CogitoErgoSum1]

I think I got it now.


Since the Iraqi military and police are working with the US military, from this point forth, we shall call them US military or US police

Since the Brits have sent troops to Iraq to assist the US, we shall call those brits in Iraq US military.

An american born and raised, with 20 years of military experience and another ten as a mercenary is hired by the mexican government to protect a visiting dilpomat and in his spare time he decides to kill a few mexicans, is a US Merc.

A german national, who has never set foot on US soil, is hired by the chinese military to protect interests inside Russia goes on a murder spree, killing a few innocent russians? US Merc.


Hi, my name is Crakeur and I am a US Merc.

I have a gun that I use to secure my home in the US, which would be considered a US interest. I hired myself, but I'm an American, so I'm working for an American. If I lost it one day and shot my neighbor, it would be squarely on the shoulders of the US government. It would not be my fault.

Hello Crakeur, I'm 27jd, and I'm also a US merc.

Nice try 27jd. But all that would make you is a lowly security guard.

No way man. If it weren't for the US, I wouldn't be in the US. I have a gun and I secure my domicile. That makes me a US merc, plain and simple.

You're just a denialist.

Originally posted by 27jd
No way man. If it weren't for the US, I wouldn't be in the US. I have a gun and I secure my domicile. That makes me a US merc, plain and simple.

You're just a denialist.

actually, if you were from another country, you might be a US Merc. If you are a US citizen born and raised and you are defending your home you are simply an infidel.

or an american swine.

or both

but not a US Merc.

That's it, I'm packing my guns and going to get hired by a South African security firm Just to see if Arch calls me a South African Merc.

or if I am US merc.

Hi! I'm Derek Trance and I am a confused US Mercenary.

-DT

Derek, it really isn't that hard a concept to understand.

If it serves Arch and his anti-US propaganda to call someone a US Merc, he will, truth be damned.

Basically, everyone in Iraq is a US Merc or US Military

except the suicide bombers and insurgents.

they're called victims.