NEWS: Exiled Iranian Says Iran Hiding Nuclear Missiles

Does anyone here remember just before Iraq was invaded that there was this story about a large underground network of tunnels in Iraq in an area known in the Sunni triangle and that's where Saddam had all his chemical and nuclear weapons and that's where the elite units of the replublican guard were hiding out to counter strike the U.S and all that blah,blah blah??? This story smells alot like that crap.I believe that if this were true,Israel would have collapsed those tunnels along time ago.This is just another story,to hype up the fact that Iran has nukes and therfore should be wasted.I think this guy has a beef with his home country,and that alone makes anything he says non-credible.Crap I say!!!,nothing but Crap!!!

Weapons were found in Iraq of WMD description. However it is difficult to come out and say "wait, they say made in the USA!" I mean after all we already got away with the wink and nod on invading Kuwait, then came charging in to destroy the largest army in the Region.

WE got away with a wink and a nod on the invasion of Kuwait?

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Thanks for supplying the link to the news source. Interesting difference between what you say, what he says, and what the State Department says.

Had you checked the supporting link you would have seen that allegedly Russia or North Korea were furnishing the weapons. That is what I based by title on. War is hell so is defining the truth from the world media, unfortunately we at ATSNN have to bring out the real truth because of media bias/inaccurate reporting these days

Quite obviously there's no mention of Russia or North Korea furnishing nuclear weapons to Iran in the supporting links. As the author of this news item, you would know that.

You sir, are a liar. You fabricated the title and the content of this article to deceive the membership of ATS and you abused the priviledge of your 'expert' status to do it.

You know it, and I think you find it quite humorous, because anyone who would make this statement in defense of this shameless piece of propaganda must be having a good laugh at our expense.

unfortunately we at ATSNN have to bring out the real truth because of media bias/inaccurate reporting these days

Originally posted by Manincloak

Originally posted by grimreaper797
the US would have to be stupid on such an incredible level it wouldnt even be believable,

I believe it....at least for as long as Bush is in office.

Anyway, I think this is just US propoganda.

What I want to know is, who is the guy who brought this forth and how would he know.

I didn't see much info on him in that article.

Problem, reaction, solution.

Problem= Iran already has nukes, chemical weapons etc.

Reaction= speaks for it self.

Solution= reason to use military action

The more i use that on current affairs, you begin to see how these goverments work, shadow or front.

Originally posted by Denied
Problem, reaction, solution.

Problem= Iran already has nukes, chemical weapons etc.

Reaction= speaks for it self.

Solution= reason to use military action

The more i use that on current affairs, you begin to see how these goverments work, shadow or front.

It's not that easy.

To say the least, there is no hard evidence that Iran has nukes or developing nukes.

That is the final line, and until that changes, no military action can be taken as it would be unjustified.

This is not a bigger enough "problem"

But when there is, follow that pattern, see what solution they are trying to achieve.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
You fabricated the title and the content of this article to deceive the membership of ATS and you abused the priviledge of your 'expert' status to do it.

I fabricated nothing. I did not write the article shown in full here.

ncr-iran.org...
Iran Building Nuclear Capable Missiles in Underground Secret Tunnels

The individual clearly stated the missiles were designed to carry nuclear warheads.

Now lets look at the title of the thread once again.

Exiled Iranian Says Iran Hiding Nuclear Missiles Now if I would have said "Iran is hiding Nuclear missiles" you might have had a point.



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Just spend a moment to think about this and to question what the 'Exiled Iranian' has gained from this - do we know yet if he has?

Didn't an exiled Iraqi say the same thing prior to the invasion of Iraq?

Originally posted by Odium
Just spend a moment to think about this and to question what the 'Exiled Iranian' has gained from this - do we know yet if he has?

Didn't an exiled Iraqi say the same thing prior to the invasion of Iraq?

Yes someone did say they had tunnels with WMDs and they found many tunnels that confirmed they existed. They also found two or three WMD shells that were exploed by the insurgents like an IED. Had they fired them from a gun and they would have spun which mixes the agents and presto the claim of wmds is for real.

Originally posted by shots

I fabricated nothing. I did not write the article shown in full here.

ncr-iran.org...
Iran Building Nuclear Capable Missiles in Underground Secret Tunnels

The individual clearly stated the missiles were designed to carry nuclear warheads.

Now lets look at the title of the thread once again.

Exiled Iranian Says Iran Hiding Nuclear Missiles Now if I would have said "Iran is hiding Nuclear missiles" you might have had a point.

[edit on 11/24/2005 by shots]

You're still lying and you're not even doing a good job of it. You keep posting links to the same article but each time you avoid posting the text that would easily support your claims, if it existed.

We both know you're lying, and your "Exiled Iranian" doesn't say "Iran Hiding Nuclear Missiles" and doesn't even state "the missiles were designed to carry nuclear warheads". He says Iran is building missiles that are capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

My pickup truck is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

What you're doing is dishonest and deceitful, and it affects the credibility of the entire ATS News Network. But you got 1400 views already and hardly anyone questioning the article's facts, so I guess you got what you wanted and the truth can go to hell, right?

mythatsabigprobe, you claim that his post affects the credibility of ATSNN. I could further add that your post does the same. Watch what you call people here.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
You're still lying and you're not even doing a good job of it. You keep posting links to the same article but each time you avoid posting the text that would easily support your claims, if it existed.

No I am not. Had you read the whole supporting article it is clearly there, but since you insist.

8. Hemmat Industries Group has the following sections that have been given code numbers to keep their work secret:
a. Movahed Industries, codenamed 7,500, builds the body of the missile and does the final assembly.
b. Karimi Industries, codenamed 2500, builds the warhead.
c. Varamini Industries, codenamed 6,000, builds the missile guidance and control systems.
d. Cheraghi Industries, codenamed 3,000, builds the missile.
e. Rastegar Industries, codenamed 4,500, builds missile engines.
f. Nouri Industries, codenamed 8,500.
g. Kolhar Industries, codenamed 1,500, builds the launcher systems.
ncr-iran.org...

Now what was that you said about there is no supporting evidence?



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Calling people liar for passing along information is very uncool


I am continually amazed at the denial surrounding Irans nuclear activities - seems the only way some will believe its intentions or shall I say stated goal, is when a test happens (unlikely) or a city is vaporized (likely).

In the case of a city getting vaporized it'll be too late to save innocent lives either in the country attacked or Iran itself. There would be no need for pre-emption if Iran simply opens the program to full daylight.

Why would Iran not do that (open the program) - sovereign rights, pride or they actually have activities they don't want discovered. I believe its all three reasons from everything I can gather.

The Mullahs saw what happened to Afganistans Taliban, Iraqs Baathists and they realize sooner or later the U.S. will be able to prove their complicity in the 9/11 attacks (see author Timmerman) - that is the fear driving the Iranian government and by default the people of Iran towards certain oblivion.

The U.S. for its part seems to be doing everything it can to avoid an Israeli pre-emptive strike which would cause a disasterous war in the middle east much like it did during the 1st gulf war.

If things were so simple that the U.S could control what Iran does with nuclear material it would have already done so, I'm afraid that whats required will not happen. Because of third world resistance to U.S. influence making U.N. action extremely ineffective. that is a shame. Many may die because of politics.

I work with an Iranian expat and would say he is rather well connected with others still in Iran(Ex Iranian air force officer). His opinion of religious radicals borders on believing they are the devil incarnate. His opinion of mosques here in the U.S. is that they should all be closed and the followers should be run out of the country asap.
He understands our constitution and says it will be our undoing regarding Islamic radicals.

Please remember those are his words not mine.

Any how the point that expatriots have an ax to grind when passing information is at first pluasible, but when one considers the extent of connections through family and friends still in Iran then the waters become much more murky in that regard and one should not immediately disregard the information solely on its source.

It might turn out to be correct.

Originally posted by Phoenix
I am continually amazed at the denial surrounding Irans nuclear activities - seems the only way some will believe its intentions or shall I say stated goal, is when a test happens (unlikely) or a city is vaporized (likely).

How true that is and more then likely those very same people would have believed what North Korea was stating when the said over and over they had no Nuclear weapons and then boom a mushroom cloud was seen and they admitted to having them. Shortly before (it might have been after) they set off a medium range missile capable of carrying one.

Keep in mind some of these missile parts are coming from NK according to published reports along with allegations they have passed on plans for building nuclear weapons to Iran, and yet the very same people will deny that is the case in one way or the other.

Just in case anyone wants to see the allegations on the documents they are covered here

www.abovetopsecret.com...


and verified here again

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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i not saying any of this is true or not, because im not one to say. i just cant except an exiled iranians word on such a topic. this just isnt enough evidence for me to take any action on it. if a test was shown i think political negociations should be a top priority.

like i have said before we do not govern these nations nor should we control what they are aloud to have. as long as we posses nukes we are in no position to say 'you cant have nukes'. if we had 0 nukes that would be different. then we could fight every country that had one in order to stop such things. but thats not the case and it never will be.

I am sure everyone here is aware that Iran still has possession of the entire pre gulf war Iragi air force? The new Iraqi "government" has been asking for it but the Iranians do not seem much interested.

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