Let's put an end to ALL secret societies

QUIT ARGUING! It doesn't do anything here! The first part of something is to tease it, study it, and then "Attack" it. How are we gonna stop a million secret societies controling the world if they all have someone who has powerful access to discredit us? Now stop arguing, please debate or I'll bug a mod guys. It's not necessary to argue you don't want to end up like "FreeMason". He was a good defender of the masons, and smart to boot, and hasn't been heard on here in more than 6 years. I just think it's ridiculous to argue, if we don't plan or figure out the truth, no more name calling please okay. It only ruins threads. K?

Love, Peace,Truth, nakedness(not the kind your thinking), and Backstreet.

You have said this has been beaten to death but what would be the most accurate common denominator if someone were looking at Masons, Crowley, OTO, Rosicrucians, Theosophists etc? It is Kaballa? That seems to be the most consistent teaching I run across in discussions about these groups.

The Kabala, (tree of life) is a big part of it. They practice forming creative-ether thoughts, which depending upon the level of consciousness, can assist in making you rich, or turn you into a Socrates, or grant you virtuousness, or find things you lost, or be granted invisability etc.

I even worry about those people who pay for those courses which teach them to engage in concentrating on how to get rich!.


[edit on 30-11-2005 by markusjharper]

So what they practice sumerian religion basicly? That's the only tree of life outside of the plains Native Americans I've heard of.

Before I forget and the myopic here don't seem to care at all here's the indication that we are heading for open borders with Canada and Mexico by 2010. Does noone have the least interest!

www.cfr.org...

The reason it is significant is that it is from the Counil on Foreign Relations very website. I am afraid many of the present company won't get what that signifies. It is so amazing that with all the curreent noise from Bush all over the media this is the REAL story that is being hidden. Should this "North American Summit not be all over the news! The illustrates government secercy very well indeed.

Folks are you ready to hand over your American independence?


Some commentary:
www.eagleforum.org...

Originally posted by peopledying
Folks are you ready to hand over your American independence?

You're worried about Canada and Mexico?

Check out NAFTA and CAFTA.

Both countries have been raped by the States. Not getting enough (whatever Mexico exports to the US) and water and oil and lumber lately? Again

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by peopledying
Folks are you ready to hand over your American independence?

You're worried about Canada and Mexico?

Check out NAFTA and CAFTA.

Both countries have been raped by the States. Not getting enough (whatever Mexico exports to the US) and water and oil and lumber lately? Again

No I'm worried about us! but also imagine free flow across the borders into this country. Probably we'd lucky to get one of those Wal-Mart jobs for 5/hr.

"Make North America safer:

* Establish a common security perimeter by 2010.
* Develop a North American Border Pass with biometric identifiers.
* Develop a unified border action plan and expand border customs facilities.

Create a single economic space:

* Adopt a common external tariff.
* Allow for the seamless movement of goods within North America.
* Move to full labor mobility between Canada and the U.S.
* Develop a North American energy strategy that gives greater emphasis to reducing emissions of greenhouse gases -- a regional alternative to Kyoto.
* Review those sectors of NAFTA that were excluded.
* Develop and implement a North American regulatory plan that would include "open skies and open roads" and a unified approach for protecting consumers on food, health, and the environment.
* Expand temporary worker programs and create a "North American preference" for immigration for citizens of North America.

Spread benefits more evenly:

* Establish a North American Investment Fund to build infrastructure to connect Mexico's poorer regions in the south to the market to the north.
* Restructure and reform Mexico's public finances.
* Fully develop Mexican energy resources to make greater use of international technology and capital.

Institutionalize the partnership:

* Establish a permanent tribunal for trade and investment disputes.
* Convene an annual North American summit meeting.
* Establish a Tri-national Competition Commission to develop a common approach to trade remedies.
* Expand scholarships to study in the three countries and develop a network of Centers for North American Studies."Text

Originally posted by markusjharper
Cug, I don’t like you sowing confusion into something that is already confirmed by John Decamp, Ted Gunderson and many other investigators in the FBI and government.

Credibility check here markus, old boy....I thought you HATED and Mistrusted ALL "organizations" yet you cite the FBI and the Government? Aren't THEY organizations?

Can't straddle the fence child...can't straddle the fence.

I also do not appreciate your attempting to belittle others by acting oh la-di, da-di da,

Hmm.. Interesting. YOU certainly don't mind belittling others and acting "oh la-di, da-di da" But then it fits your agenda, huh?

First of all, I could care less what so-called Satanists think and second, when an FBI investigator finds ...yadda yadda yadda...

And you BELIVE this FBI investigator (some people call 'em Agents) ... a member of an ORGANIZATION which you HATE and MISTRUST...Hmmm!

the symbols of Belial on the walls

Oh those dreaded symbols of Belial!

and the alter,

Really? When? I thought they'd altered the Altar! Amazing...

Are you an expert just because you associate yourself with those who indulge in the passions of the perverted Thelma?

Are YOU an expert just because you spread manure?

Oh please!

OK. If you insist.

I have another book of Crowley in which he explains how to involve children in sex calling it rape and emancipation. If you persist, I will truly embarrass you and post it all here.

That's really sick. Why would you have such a book or want to do such things...or even read about them?

I have this book, Cug.

Yes, you said that already.

Satanists do and have used his works but not ONLY his. Stop distracting from the point in fact since I know that Aton Levy and other so-called Satanists have in fact copied Alistair Crowley’s work and unless you mange to conjure up some substantial OTHER alternative, than I suggest you knock it off.

Yeah Cug! Knock it off! Markus SAYS SO! (I'm scared, how 'bout you?)

From the book (which I own)

You're really proud of owning that book, aren't you?

Oh, by the way...you may be too young to know this, but just 'cause it's written in a book (or on a piece of paper or on the back of a Milky-Way wrapper...doesn't mean it's TRUE) Just thought you'd like to know....

I have both the eBook and the book from Amazon.com.

Oh...so NOW you're saying you have TWO copies of this sick book. Bully for you! We're all impressed...not.

I ask of ATS reader to read the publishers notes below and please decide for yourselves, just how sad an attempt this cover up is, by trying to hide the obvious truth which Crowley was referring to.

If it's "obvious" why do you need to ask...

Markus, I'll have to admit...you're ALMOST as entertaining as MrsNecros. Just wait until we blow up your toilet and steal your girl-friend...provided you have one.

Can anyone say "doggie laxatives" :

Originally posted by senrak
Credibility check here markus, old boy....I thought you HATED and Mistrusted ALL "organizations" yet you cite the FBI and the Government? Aren't THEY organizations?

Can't straddle the fence child...can't straddle the fence.

Somehow I see you as the child and markus as the man.

I see Senrak is in fine form. As usual not reading well.. Ted was EX-FBI which means not FBI anymore. His value is he was close enough to know the truth and brave enough to stand up and make a stand against Satanic Ritual Abuse which somehow I can't see you doing.

What's more important, doing something about Satanic Ritual Abuse or trying to belittle a man (Markus) who would?. This is why, in my brief experience with you, generally cannot respect you. You are a Pro at ignoring the serious issues raised by sincere people to defend your precious turf. Be aware it is painfully obvious likely to the Masonic Student. It sets a terrible example.

Of course it seems rather fitting with your pagan oaths. Swearing on the bible? Wow I am sure Jesus would have loved these oaths, (not).

"Binding myself under no less a penalty, than having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out from its roots and buried in the rough sands of the sea..." In the second degree, "Binding myself under no less a penalty, than that of having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out and given as prey to the wild beasts of the field and the foul of the air..." In the third degree (Master Mason Degree), "Binding myself under no less a penalty, than that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken from thence and burned into ashes..."


" I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree . . . and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen.

I have another book of Crowley in which he explains how to involve children in sex calling it rape and emancipation. If you persist, I will truly embarrass you and post it all here.

That's really sick. Why would you have such a book or want to do such things...or even read about them?

Come on with Buddies like Cug? Cug suggests research as do the other Masons.

Are you saying your and Cugs philosophies are not compatible? Masonic Light seems very ok with Crowley.



[edit on 30-11-2005 by peopledying]

Originally posted by peopledying
Are you saying your and Cugs philosophies are not compatible? Masonic Light seems very ok with Crowley.

For the record, our philosophies are not compatible. But I know Senrak does not wish to talk about it and I respect that wish.

[edit on 11/30/2005 by Cug]

Originally posted by markusjharper
Get real and understand that people can and will do horrible things in the name of selfishness!

one word: BUSH. oh and are you one of those "religious fanatics" (that being a major euphemism)? kinda sounds like it with all your "i hate satan worshippers" ranting. dont get me wrong, i am a Christian, and i am against satanic worship and things of that ilk, but come on now, dont you think youre bein just a LITTLE extreme?

and like nygdan said on the first page, this guy's broken a few rules, and he sounds like he doesnt really belong on this kind of forum, so why isnt he *ahem* peacefully and permanently escorted out?

Originally posted by peopledying
Ted was EX-FBI which means not FBI anymore. His value is he was close enough to know the truth and brave enough to stand up and make a stand against Satanic Ritual Abuse which somehow I can't see you doing.

Oh...and you know me so well, huh? NOT!

What's more important, doing something about Satanic Ritual Abuse

WHAT Satanic ritual abuse? Have YOU experienced Satanic ritual abuse?

This is why, in my brief experience with you, generally cannot respect you.

Oh, now THAT really hurts.

You are a Pro at ignoring the serious issues raised by sincere people to defend your precious turf.

WHAT serious issues? There hasn't been a serious issue on this forum in MONTHS

Be aware it is painfully obvious likely to the Masonic Student.

Uhm...please try to post in English or German...I don't speak anything else...and that was neither.

Of course it seems rather fitting with your pagan oaths. Swearing on the bible? Wow I am sure Jesus would have loved these oaths, (not).

Couldn't say. A: I never took ANY of those so-called Oaths you posted...and B: I've never heard Jesus say one way or another whether he loved them or not. (But rest assured I'll ask him at 8 a.m. Mass tomorrow and get back with you)

Are you saying your and Cugs philosophies are not compatible? Masonic Light seems very ok with Crowley.

Cug is not a Mason. Masonic Light is however Cug, Masonic Light and I do not even know each other. We've never even discussed our personal philosophies at ALL. And if Masonic Light "seems very ok with Crowley" as you say, that's Masonic Light's business....has nothing to do with me so what's your point?

[edit because a Mod thought I was out of line...and I probably was]

[edit on 30-11-2005 by senrak]

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by peopledying
Are you saying your and Cugs philosophies are not compatible? Masonic Light seems very ok with Crowley.

For the record, our philosophies are not compatible.

But I know Senrak does not wish to talk about it and I respect that wish.

[edit on 11/30/2005 by Cug]

Cug I was hoping you expand on that theme about the commonalities, Kabala, Paganism, etc. between your and the Masons ideas. It's just that Masonic Light seems compatible with you and senrak does'nt so I'm sort of confused. help me out! espicially now that there is something senrak does not want to talk about!

[edit on 30-11-2005 by senrak]

Originally posted by senrak

Hmm.. Interesting. YOU certainly don't mind belittling others and acting "oh la-di, da-di da" But then it fits your agenda, huh?

Originally posted by senrak

Oh those dreaded symbols of Belial!

Originally posted by senrak

Are YOU an expert just because you spread manure?

Originally posted by senrak

That's really sick. Why would you have such a book or want to do such things...or even read about them?

Originally posted by senrak

Yeah Cug! Knock it off! Markus SAYS SO! (I'm scared, how 'bout you?)

Originally posted by senrak
You're really proud of owning that book, aren't you?

Oh, by the way...you may be too young to know this, but just 'cause it's written in a book (or on a piece of paper or on the back of a Milky-Way wrapper...doesn't mean it's TRUE) Just thought you'd like to know....

Originally posted by senrak
Oh...so NOW you're saying you have TWO copies of this sick book. Bully for you! We're all impressed...not.

Originally posted by senrak
Markus, I'll have to admit...you're ALMOST as entertaining as MrsNecros. Just wait until we blow up your toilet and steal your girl-friend...provided you have one.

Can anyone say "doggie laxatives"

:

i like you man!

p.s. i dont think he has one. a girlfriend i mean. well, maybe he doesnt have a toilet either, who knows (who wants to know )?

[edit on 30-11-2005 by Hawker9]

Enough!

Everyone,

Any more off topic, baiting or flaming posts in this thread will be dealt with harshly.

If you can't stay on topic and maturely discuss topics that may be sensitive to you may I suggest you find another pastime.

XOXO

Originally posted by kinglizard
Enough!

Everyone,

Any more off topic, baiting or flaming posts in this thread will be dealt with harshly.

If you can't stay on topic and maturely discuss topics that may be sensitive to you may I suggest you find another pastime.

XOXO

KL,

I sent you a U2U but I'll post here too for all to see.

I don't see ANY baiting (as you suggest) and all I did was respond to the post....line by line.

Why did I get warned? I mean it's no big deal...I'll still go to sleep in a couple of hours, but really? What's the deal?

We're discussing here...we're not agreeing, but what the hell? We're discussing...RIGHT?

Regards,

can you close this thread and banish it to the darkest depths of...wherever dead threads go . please. thanks.

Originally posted by peopledying

Cug I was hoping you expand on that theme about the commonalities, Kabala, Paganism, etc. between your and the Masons ideas. It's just that Masonic Light seems compatible with you and senrak does'nt so I'm sort of confused.

Well I can't talk about any commonalities because I'm not a mason (And not all that intrested in digging into it). The only things I know is what has been posted all the time. The only thing I understand is Paganism has nothing at all to do with Freemasonry. If it did I might be interested in joining, but from what I can tell the moral lessons of freemasonery are pretty much Christian, and I'm not interested in Christian moral lessons.

As far as the compadability goes... well that kinda proves that masons don't all worship the same (God)... Just like they say again and again.

Originally posted by Hawker9
can you close this thread and banish it to the darkest depths of...wherever dead threads go

. please. thanks.

Hmmm...now THAT's a mighty strange turn from your previous post.

Why is that Hawker9?

Just curious...