Mexican Troops Cross Rio Grand Take 3 Tons Of Pot

Originally posted by centurion1211
U.S. citizens, it's time to defend our borders! If the federal and state governments won't do their constitutional duty, then it's up to us.

Lock and load!

-Or you can rest that triggerfinger, grow up and start a reasonable thinking process ;o)

Originally posted by phlake

Originally posted by centurion1211
U.S. citizens, it's time to defend our borders! If the federal and state governments won't do their constitutional duty, then it's up to us.

Lock and load!

-Or you can rest that triggerfinger, grow up and start a reasonable thinking process ;o)

Oh, I forgot. We're supposed to negotiate and find ways to appease when armed foreign military come across our borders.

Ya, while I'm growing up, maybe you can find yourself a backbone. (hint: stay away from the yellow ones). Oh, too late! That UFO beam has obviously turned you bright yellow.

Easy to be able spout that sort of "logic" when you live in Norway. Guess you're too young to remember when the Germans started coming across your border. Related to a man named Quisling by any chance?


[edit on 11/22/2005 by centurion1211]

Anok,

I as most people, don't have an issue with people of Mexican background.
Further, I have no issues with "LEGAL" immigrants in this great country.
I DO have an issue with illegal immigrants-from any country.
The reason Mexican illegals are brought up so much is -I believe- they are the largest group-now-of illegal immigrants in the US.

IMO, to want to stop Illegal immigrants from crossing the border is NOT anti-Mexican or racist.

Now, I think more likely than not, these were not Mexican military troops-Yes, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
These were drug runners and the only way to deal with such well armed drug runners is to use the NATIONAL GUARD to guard OUR borders-not other countries.

I also support some better method of keeping illegal immigrants out of the country-such as a wall or fence. This is not a cure-as tunneling underneath will occur, but it would be a start.

OK.

Can we quit with the personal snipes now.

And please post 'on topic'.

Thank you.

Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop
PRetty sad state of affairs along that there border you know, if the Presidente Bush had any real cojones he would back up the Border Patrol with our own Special Forces troops and let them cross in to Mexico whenever it was required.

Too bad everyone is soooooo afraid of Political Correctness and a backwards third world country.

Yeah because you americans have the god given right to do whatever the hell you want in other peoples countries right? Why not just make up a few lies and invade mexico to catch the terrorists, im sure your armed forces has all the training they need in causing civil unrest from all the murders they have commited in Iraq?

Again, can we stay on the thread topic.

Hey I have an idea, instead of trying to catch those sneeky Mexicans, why don't we find out who is giving them work and punish them? And the people who eat the food the illegals pick too! Seriously though, I do think we should do more to stop stuff like this from happening, this is too much, a dump truck full of weed? How did that get across the border in the 1st place? I can see some people getting through, but a dump truck? Its a good thing it was only pot, could you imagine 3 tons of explosives?

Originally posted by savagecupid
Hey I have an idea, instead of trying to catch those sneeky Mexicans, why don't we find out who is giving them work and punish them? And the people who eat the food the illegals pick too! Seriously though, I do think we should do more to stop stuff like this from happening, this is too much, a dump truck full of weed? How did that get across the border in the 1st place? I can see some people getting through, but a dump truck? Its a good thing it was only pot, could you imagine 3 tons of explosives?

A little "joke" to go along with your post:

A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States.
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says,
"Thank you Mr. American for letting me in this country, and giving me
housing,
food stamps, free medical care and free education!" But the passerby says
"You are mistaken, I am Mexican."
The man goes on and encounters another passerby. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America!" The person says "I no American, I
am Vietnamese."
The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
shakes his hand and says "Thank you for the wonderful America!" That person
puts
up his hand and says "I am from Middle East, I am not an American!"
He finally sees a nice lady and asks suspiciously, "Are you an American?"
She says, "No, I am from Russia!" So he is puzzled, and asks her, "Where
are all the Americans?" The Russian lady looks at her watch, shrugs, and
says... "Probably at work!"

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by savagecupid
Hey I have an idea, instead of trying to catch those sneeky Mexicans, why don't we find out who is giving them work and punish them? And the people who eat the food the illegals pick too! Seriously though, I do think we should do more to stop stuff like this from happening, this is too much, a dump truck full of weed? How did that get across the border in the 1st place? I can see some people getting through, but a dump truck? Its a good thing it was only pot, could you imagine 3 tons of explosives?

A little "joke" to go along with your post:

A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States.
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says,
"Thank you Mr. American for letting me in this country, and giving me
housing,
food stamps, free medical care and free education!" But the passerby says
"You are mistaken, I am Mexican."
The man goes on and encounters another passerby. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America!" The person says "I no American, I
am Vietnamese."
The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops,
shakes his hand and says "Thank you for the wonderful America!" That person
puts
up his hand and says "I am from Middle East, I am not an American!"
He finally sees a nice lady and asks suspiciously, "Are you an American?"
She says, "No, I am from Russia!" So he is puzzled, and asks her, "Where
are all the Americans?" The Russian lady looks at her watch, shrugs, and
says... "Probably at work!"

That was really very funny and I do see the point.
America IS made of peoples from all countries-true.

All I want to do is assure that all people coming here do so legally.

My father’s father came to America-as a legal immigrant.
My mom and her parents came to America as immigrants.

Are you all seeing the pattern-LEGAL IMAGRATION!

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Anok,

I as most people, don't have an issue with people of Mexican background.
Further, I have no issues with "LEGAL" immigrants in this great country.

You do realise that most of the Mexican farm workers in California ARE illegals right?

And POT is NOT a drug!

And to most Mexicans Americans are the illegal imigrants, especialy in California, that use to belong to Mexico BTW.

I know a lot of Europeans here illegaly, I mean there's alot. Some working with children in hight school. And they don't cross a border per say to get here so nobody cares? It seems to me it's only the Mexican border that get's all the attention. Now again why the hate for Mexicans, our poncho wearing brothers as one of you called them? (is that not a racial slur?)
Read some history on Mexico and it's MIGRANT workers and it's claim to ownership of what are now US states, Cali and Arizona inherited from Spain.

I'm not a big Mexico suporter just trying get you'll to see there is always 2 sides to a story. I tend to side with the underdog, who in the end is the one that usualy gets the rough end of the stick.

And what is "illegal" about it anyway? Land that has been here since the Earth was created was INVADED by white Europeans IMO have no more right to it than anybody. You're all letting your paranoia about terrorism cloud your real jugegment. Should everyone else suffer because of something our own western system created in the first place? The terrorist threat IS NOT real IMO, just another control mechanism by the state. If there was going to be "nukes" baught over the border they would have been here and used already, they have nothing to wait for.

I think you all just as much want to control everybody as our government does.



[edit on 22/11/2005 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ANOK

Why do you all hate Mexicans so much? Do you know if it wasn't for Mexicans, the farms of California would have no workers on them?
Most of your food is grown by Mexicans. Think about that.
[edit on 21/11/2005 by ANOK]

Why do people like you always turn border issues into a racial issue?


We dont give a damn if they are mexican, We do give a damn about the Hundreds, Thousands, Millions, Of people comming into our country illegaly.

The southern border is a big problem, We dont know rather those illegals, are Nice people, Escaped convicts, Murders, Gang bangers, Terrorisst, Ect, that is our problem, If mexicans want to come to our country they can do it respectfully and knock on the front door, not sneak in the back window.

And btw people such as your self also need to stop living in the past, This isnt about what some people's ancestors did hundreds of years ago, This is about now, We had nothing to do with the past, We do have everything to do with now, So stop that BS.

[edit on 22-11-2005 by C0le]

Yes, I just heard that they want to build a wall between us and Canada, COle. Please, it is a race issue to some people. It just so happens that its the mexicans this time, stealin' and killin'. Before it was what.. the Italians? the Irish? etc. etc. It shouldn't be a racial issue but it is to some people. Everyone needs someone to blame I guess.

Mexico was once Spain, Before that it was Aztec etc.. I dont hear you chanting for the spainish to take over Mexico. If not then drop every single bit of this used to be Mexico out of your arguements for it would only be used when it suites you.

Next I don't care about people coming here legally and getting a job legally and using our medical, education and tax systems LEGALLY. Most people who come here legally are willing to adjust to our standards.

I do have a massive problem with those and those that hire people that cross our borders Illegally. They do not follow our rules or speak our language normally and they see no problem with either.

Illegal immigration has many obvious problems.

1. Criminal activity is much higher among illegals

2. Taxes are not paid by illegals (thus we pay for them)

3. Illegals normally do not pay for health care.

4. Illegals allow corporations to get away with less taxes, no healthcare paid, lower wages etc.

5. Most do not speak english. This countries main language is english when someone comes in my store in my country and expects me to speak THEIR language I throw em right back out.

6. Overworked police.

7. Even though I said criminal activity this needs it own. Murder rates around areas where illegals live skyrocket. Many times police will not even enter these areas for fear of loosing their lives.

IMO anyone caught crossing our border anywhere other then a checkpoint should be shot on sight immediatly and left to rot.

Originally posted by Xerrog
1. Criminal activity is much higher among illegals

Is that so? I would have to see stats on this. Most illegals want to stay out of trouble so they don't get sent back so I am not sure this is true.

Originally posted by Xerrog
2. Taxes are not paid by illegals (thus we pay for them)

Oh yea all that money they are making really would pull us out of that tax problem we have.

Originally posted by Xerrog3. Illegals normally do not pay for health care.

Not to mention the thousands of poor Americans that do not either.

Originally posted by Xerrog4. Illegals allow corporations to get away with less taxes, no healthcare paid, lower wages etc.

How dare they let those corporations to do that!

Originally posted by Xerrog5. Most do not speak english. This countries main language is english when someone comes in my store in my country and expects me to speak THEIR language I throw em right back out.

And this would never happen with an American in another country, we always try to learn their language don't we? Most if not all of the imigrants I know want to learn our form of english.

Originally posted by Xerrog6. Overworked police.

This one stuns me, I don't know what to say. I didn't know.

Originally posted by Xerrog7. Even though I said criminal activity this needs it own. Murder rates around areas where illegals live skyrocket. Many times police will not even enter these areas for fear of loosing their lives.

Well I don't know the exact statistics but isn't there more murder in areas like D.C., New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans? I know there are illegals in those areas but I think there are a majority of illegals in othe areas. Its funny I am in El Paso and we were just named the 2cd safest big city, imagine that with all these illegal mexicans here.

Originally posted by XerrogIMO anyone caught crossing our border anywhere other then a checkpoint should be shot on sight immediatly and left to rot.

Well now this is a super idea huh? Tell me do you plan on shooting the women and children first in order to spare them the horror of seeing their husbands and fathers killed in cold blood or is it first come first serve? I agree that there is a problem with imigration from Mexico, but I am sick of people blaming so much stuff on the poor "illegals". If they were not finding work they would not come here. And besides were we not talking about a dumptruck filled with 3 tons of pot getting across the border at a checkpoint, and then going back to Mexico?

Hey Savage,

Somehow you forgot to respond to the one key point that is most damaging to your entire argument

Originally posted by Xerrog
Mexico was once Spain, Before that it was Aztec etc.. I dont hear you chanting for the spainish to take over Mexico. If not then drop every single bit of this used to be Mexico out of your arguements for it would only be used when it suites you.

Let's hear your answer, or just drop it and go away. Same goes for all of you ranting about the Indians and the Mexicans that once owned part of what is now the U.S. Take a look at your own country's history to make sure you're all so blameless for the same thing before criticising the U.S.





[edit on 11/22/2005 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by centurion1211
Hey Savage,

Somehow you forgot to respond to the one key point that is most damaging to your entire argument

Originally posted by Xerrog
Mexico was once Spain, Before that it was Aztec etc.. I dont hear you chanting for the spainish to take over Mexico. If not then drop every single bit of this used to be Mexico out of your arguements for it would only be used when it suites you.

Let's hear your answer, or just drop it and go away. Same goes for all of you ranting about the Indians and the Mexicans that once owned part of what is now the U.S. Take a look at your own country's history to make sure you're all so blameless for the same thing before criticising the U.S.

[edit on 11/22/2005 by centurion1211]

Actually I never mentioned anything about this land belonging to Mexico, I don't have a problem with the U.S. taking what was once part of Mexico. I don't see how it is damaging to my"argument" as I didn't think I was arguing. Please tell me what I was arguing about? I thought I was just responding to someone who seems to want to blame "illegals" for the problems in this country when in fact they are just a drop in the bucket. Tell me, do you agree that we should shoot them and leave the bodies to rot? And one more thing, don't tell me to "just drop it and go away". If you dislike what I am saying maybe you should take your own advice. When you have the power to ban me from this board because of my opinion, then I will go away. Until then ignore me if you wish.

The point you are all missing is that IT does matter what was done in the past.

If I decide to take over your house and throw you out, or make you live in the garden shed (reservations), and then 10 yrs later you sneak over the garden fence to get back into your house, you would wrong to do that because it happened 10 years ago?

History DOES have a revelvance on what is happening now. But my point is most of you are just ignorant of the real situation and what illegal Mexicans are really like and what they are doing.

Farm workers, yes illegal ones DO pay taxes. But they also work for very low wages and do jobs white Americans won't touch, because you're too good for that, right?

The problem isn't illegals, it's the system that created the problem in the first place. And that system was set up by white European invaders who had no right themselves to this land you live on.

Walk in their shoes for awhile before you judge someone so harshly.

Curb the anti-Mexican remarks, people.

Damn. Take it easy.

I don't understand this story. That is relatively a very small amount of pot - I don't see how that would provoke Mexican nationals, no matter what outfit they were with, to risk a major incident. It doesn't add up.

Zip

Originally posted by ANOK




I find the anti-imagration crowd funny, I mean isn't every American an immigrant?
Didn't your ancestors take the land away from Indians and Mexicans to begin with?

Do white Americans really have a solid claim on these lands you call America?

Americans living illegaly in Mexico...200,000

migration.ucdavis.edu...

Iam a American Indian and I do not want mexicans who are stealing from everyone here if they want freedoom they can go home and have there own revalotion

Originally posted by deadcatsrule
Iam a American Indian and I do not want mexicans who are stealing from everyone here if they want freedoom they can go home and have there own revalotion

So what's your point? What revalotion (sic) are you talking about?

Just because you're an American Indian doesn't mean you understand all the implications of illegal imigration, or that your opinion is any more valid than mine.

Selfish desires and the refusal to share, and claiming ownership of something that really can't be owned is inherent in all races.

"Property is theft" Pierre Joseph Proudhon The Earth and it's land belongs to ALL living creatures. It should be common property of all.

Who has the right to own something that they didn't labour to produce?
Something that has been around since the beggining of time?

en.wikipedia.org...