Bible and ufo's

What Are UFO's


The Unidentified Flying Object has been with us on a regular basis since the 1940's Many have speculated as to what they are and where they come from. The world is braced to find out the truth about these craft. Read below and see what I (and surprisingly many people) believe are the origins of these craft.


Reference to visitation by craft of unconventional origin have been mentioned as far back as the 1800's, and some believe back even much further. As far as I am concerned none of those mentioned before that time are credible because there is no proof; no photography, no video and just hearsay. But since the 1940's there have been many sightings by credible witnesses and they can't be ignored. They have to be something, but what are they? There are those who think that they have the right answer to that question and some of these include:


Some Explanations For UFO's:

They are top secret aircraft being tested by our military.
This might be true especially for some of the objects sighted around top-secret military bases, but not all around the world. Anyway, no human pilot could withstand the g-forces that accompany objects when they make sharp right angle turns at thousands of miles an hour.


They are secret weapons being tested by the Russians

This is not a possibility for several reasons. Russia and especially its military are not capable of producing such a weapon. Second, they would be shot down if in American air space. Third, not even Russians could live through the g-forces that would accompany such speeds and maneuvers. Lets face facts. Being human, it is hard to keep secrets. Does anyone actually believe that the Russians or Americans could keep a lid on having such a potential weapon without having used it in more than 50 years.


Man made craft from a future time in our own history.

This could be a possibility if it were not for one thing. The entities on these craft really don't look human, at least the grays don't, and they are the majority of beings sited. One might argue that they have changed due to evolution, but evolution is a dead theory and there is nothing to substantiate it. And even our descendents would be bound by the laws of nature and time.


Craft from other dimensions.

This is possible and will be examined in the last category.


Craft from a lost civilization here on Earth, such as Atlantis.

Atlantians would not be able to avoid contact with all of the spy satellites and monitoring devices that the military's of the world have. They too would be bound by physics.


Space craft from other planets or galaxies.

Although this is the most widely taught theory, it really has no basis. No UFO has ever been monitored entering the atmosphere from outer space. There is no evidence that other civilizations exist either. Any radio astronomer can tell you that he/she has never gotten any intelligent signal from the cosmos.


Craft operated by demonic entities - a supernatural force.

This is the most logical answer. For a further explanation read below.





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How do we know that they don't come from other worlds?

The Speed of Light:

The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. Our nearest neighbor star is 4.3 light years away. That means that, if the ship could travel at that tremendous speed it would take 4.3 years to get to Earth. Since the speed of light cannot be attained (theory says so) then we have to assume that it would take hundreds, if not thousands of years to reach the Earth from even the nearest neighbors. Rest assured that the only ones who have conquered the speed of light are the folks in Hollywood.

What About Radar:

No UFO has never been tracked on radar entering the Earth's atmosphere. They're sometimes seen on radar while in our atmosphere but in most cases they seem to just disappear as if they dematerialized from our reality.

The Probabilities of Physical Similarities And The Number of Civilizations:

If there were, lets say, just 500 civilizations in our neighborhood of the galaxy. From that lets say that half of them (250) have some sort of civilization. Now, lets say that half of them (125) have reached the point where they could travel into space. Then, lets say that nearly half of them (62) have the ability of interstellar travel. We'll assume that they have conquered the speed of light problem. Okay, so how would they all evolve with the same basic characteristics as Human beings. All of the alien drawings that I have seen show beings with two arms, two legs, one neck, one head, two eyes and such. They all have a humanoid appearance. Would it not be safe to assume that separate civilizations in different star systems would have developed differently. Why for instance, don't some of the entities have 4 arms, or two heads and such. And why is it that no two UFO's look the same. How many civilizations are we dealing with anyway?

The Improbability of Multiple Evolution:

When we think about evolution as the progenitor for life in the universe, as we are consistently force-fed, we have to look at the probabilities of it occurring in just one small place in the universe; namely Earth. Some mathematicians have calculated the fete. One mathematician says thusly:

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 noughts after it ... It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution ... if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence." (Sir Fred Hoyle, astronomer, cosmologist and mathematician, Cambridge University)

So it makes sense that such an impossible possibility could only happen by way of a miracle. And we have to remember that miracles fall into the realm of faith, and today's scientists aren't supposed to have faith. Now, if it is impossible for life to form from inanimate inorganic matter, how much more impossible for it to happen several times in the universe.

And What About Physics?

Shouldn't the laws of gravity also apply to alien vessels? Why should these beings be able to suspend the laws of physics. That's a simple question to answer. Physics deals with scientific laws that pertain to the physical senses and the physical reality. Physics don't apply to aliens because they are not physical, they are spiritual.

Alien Abduction - A Social Preparation:

Why so many of those so-called abductions? Some suggest that it is to find out more about our physical form. Again, if a culture were so advanced as we are led to believe the aliens are, why could they not learn about humans by only abducting maybe 10 people total. Why does it have to be in the thousands or perhaps millions, as some suggest? Why are people abducted countless times instead of just a couple of times? With their sophistication they should be able to learn everything about a person in a mere two visits, much like the Internal Revenue Service does.

Others suggest that they are here to study our society. I would think that the best way to study our society would be to tune into some of our television and radio frequencies. These aliens seem to want to keep their visits a secret as much as possible, so why abduct people that would become witnesses to their visits. They could just turn on the nightly news and find out all about humanity to the point of nausea.

Why do most abductions cause physical pain and mental anguish? If these beings are really concerned with humanity then why do the memories of the abductees cause such anguish? Why are they allowed to be awake while they are drilled into, probed and physically abused? Would kind and compassionate beings do such things without anesthesia?

New Visitors - Old Lies:

When humans are contacted by these entities, they are always given the same New Age rhetoric. I find it hard to believe that all of these supposed visitors from space came here to teach New Age garbage, especially when it is promoted so well in the newspaper, on the radio and television and taught so effectively in schools.

Always An Appearance That Fits The Times:

It is interesting to note that the sightings in the 1800s and in the 20th century often involve craft that are just a few years ahead of what man of that time was capable of. For instance, reports of strange craft, shaped like cigars and other things were reported in the late 19th and early 20th century. The craft were described as looking like long balloons with gondola's on the bottom, with portholes and people could be seen and even waved back at the amazed Earthlings. Not long after that time the blimp was invented. Why would beings who traveled billions of miles appear to men as men in a long balloon. Well, it is simply because if they would have appeared as aliens, people would have recognized them for what they are, demons, and would have fought back spiritually. They would have found resistance.

In the 20th century, when men were making rockets, exploring space and wondering if there was life on other worlds, then they started appearing like creatures from other worlds to satisfy the aspirations of men who were asking questions that feed the appetite of deceiving demons and angels. This is really nothing new. For countless centuries man has wanted to know about life after death, hence, the séance. So, the dearly departed are impostered by lying entities and the unsuspecting persons really thinks that their loved one is talking to them. Then, there is the every popular Ouiga Board. Ask it a question and it will spell out the supposed truth. Come on, if these entities are cunning enough to try to form a coup in Heaven against Almighty God they are surely capable of pushing a stupid little game piece around. Isn't it interesting how people can be schooled until they know the value of Pi to the millionth power, but they can be duped into believing a lie (and a stupid one at that) from a lying spirit. Pretty sad, huh?

Demons are the disembodied spirits of creatures called Nephilim that lived before the worldwide flood of Noah's time. They are the "Giants" or "Sons of God" talked about in Genesis chapter six. Demons can only embody hosts who invite them in either through direct or indirect invitations. Fallen angels are the fathers of the Nephilim. They had relations with human women before the flood and afterward. Some like myself believe that the abductions that happen to UFO abductees are really the same actions by the some fallen angels who had intercourse with human females before the flood. Angels have on occasion been able to transform themselves into physical human form. The Bible says "Satan himself can transform himself into an angel of light". It is true that anything made in the physical realm could not defy the laws of gravity. Some UFO's have been recorded as having disappeared into thin air. What is impossible in the physical realm is very possible in the spiritual realm.

Lets face it, the entities that inhabit UFO's act just like the fallen angels or demons. They are cold, unfeeling and are trying to prove God wrong. What more evidence does one need.

Abductees - A Common Thread:

Most abductees and contactees were involved in the occult practices before their contact with alien (demonic) beings. Some might ask the question, "then why are young children abducted? They haven't practiced in the occult." We all belong to families. In most cases, what one family member does affects the other members of the family. Therefore, any member of a family that has a family member that is or has dabbled in the occult is free game for the forces of darkness.

Two people who come to mind right away are Withley Streiber and Ruth Montgomery. Whitley Streiber authored "Communion". He is in supposed communication with entities on UFO's. He practiced meditation, which he attributes to his ability to communicate with these beings. Then there is Ruth Montgomery, the famous automatic writer who has written some things from alien spiritual beings. Sooner or later just about anyone who dabbles in occult ways will have a brush with entities claiming to be aliens from other worlds. Another door that opens one up to demonic activity is hypnosis. Whenever one gives up their will to another it creates a vacuum that evil forces are only too glad to occupy. And why are abductions only remembered through hypnotism, which itself had its roots in mysticism.

Just about any other act that causes one to give up their conscious will is an avenue for evil entities to enter that person's life. Time is too short to make a large list, but just a few are, occult activity of any type, sexual immorality, drug or alcohol abuse and so on.

It's also interesting to note that out of all the social groups on planet earth, one group exists that the entities of UFO's tend to avoid; that being those who are Born Again Christians. Click here after reading this article, You'll be taken to our site map where you can investigate further.




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Why I Am Convinced That Aliens And UFO's Are Satanic?

Most of the "abductees" and "contactees" had their hand in the occult before their experiences with so called extraterrestrials. People who claim to be in contact with aliens use the same bunch of occultic tricks, such as clairvoyance, automatic writing, E.S.P., remote viewing, trance states, Ouija boards, channeling, and meditation. Some of them even try to take spiritual references in the Bible and explain them away as ancient UFO encounters. It is interesting that most of these things have been used for thousands of years to fool people into believing a lie.

There are just too many correlations between the activities of aliens and the activities of the demons and lying angels of old. If it looks evil and it acts evil then it has to be from the evil realm.

What Fruit Do They Bear?

If aliens are indeed demonic, then they should bear fruits of demonic activity. Just look at a list of what happens to abductees after they have had contact with these so called aliens:

Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.

Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us any number of guises and shapes.

Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible.

Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.

Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies.

A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can't identify.

Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the grays. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility.

Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.

Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.

Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don't co-operate with their alien captors.

Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."

Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.

Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.

Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over. Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.
None of the things mentioned above are the result of a benevolent race. They are all forms of torture or terror. The so called extraterrestrials are the ultimate terrorist force; just ask their victims. And it should come as no surprise that the people on earth who perform terror are so versed at it, seeing that their masters (the demonic hordes) are really in control of their actions.




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Does the Bible Mention UFO's?


Yes, but not in the way most people think. Some people will point to Ezekiel's vision (Ezekiel 1:4- 28) as an example of an Old Testament UFO sighting. But the Being in the vision identified Himself as "the Lord God" (Ezekiel 2: 4). But there are entities described in Scripture who:

Come from the sky:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12) KJV
Will perform powerful signs and fake miracles:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

Will appear to be something they are not, by means of disguises:

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (II Corinthians 11:14-15)

Are going to try to deceive mankind in the latter days:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (I Timothy 4:1)


Will try and convince people that Christianity is untrue:

see above (I Timothy 4:1)

Will fool a lot of people:

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christ's, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (Matthew 24:4 and 23-25)

These are descriptions of Satan and his demons, and they are also accurate descriptions of today's UFO entities. In these latter days, demons are manifesting themselves as occupants of UFO's for the purpose of deceiving mankind into believing in a false religion. The "abductions" never really happened in the physical sense. They are false memories inserted in the minds of people who have opened themselves up to this kind of thing by occult practices. There are many doors that people can open to expose themselves to the spiritual realm. Some doors are obvious but many are so vague that they cannot be seen except by the trained eye. The "contactees" who claim to be receiving information from aliens by psychic means are spirit mediums, no different than the Witch of Endor mentioned in the 28th chapter of I Samuel. The Purpose Behind Sexual Experiments:


Many of those who have abducted by these beings have had procedures of a sexual nature performed on them. According to the abductees, sperm is taken from the men, eggs from the women and some women claim to have been impregnated by the creatures. One cannot fully understand the ramifications or reasoning's behind these acts without doing a little study of a time in the past when these practices were common.

In the sixth chapter of Genesis, we find a short blurb on an event that occurred that often gets overlooked, probably because it is confusing. The passage says:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4

Now, the scripture sounds sort of innocuous until you do a word study and find out what the words mean in Hebrew. First, the words, "sons of God," would probably make the reader think of the men on Earth who followed His ways and didn't stray from the truth. In actuality, that phrase, which in the Hebrew is pronounced B'nai Elohim, is always used to denote angels.

Now, the passage goes on to say that these B'nai Elohim took any of the daughters of men that they chose. Again, the English translation does the scripture an injustice. In the Hebrew, the connotation is that they were forcefully taken from their families and had sex forcefully thrust upon them. In modern terms, they were abducted and raped.

The offspring of these unions were called Nephilim. Our English Bibles were translated from the Greek, and the Greek word that is used is translated "giants," in the English. That word, in the Greek, means "Earth dwellers," which is strange because all men were earth dwellers. So why the special distinction? It is because they were half human and half angel, offspring of angels, who because they were half human, were bound to the Earth. The Hebrew word, "Nephilim," which comes from the root word, "nephal," means, "the fallen ones." Hence, they were children of fallen angels and women, who had some supernatural powers but who were bound to Earth. It all comes together when you look at the root words.

At the end of the passage, we read that these creatures were heroes and men of renown. Now, that sounds like they were pretty nice people. But, if you do a word study, the Hebrew shows a different picture. The word "hero," can be translated to mean "tyrant" in Hebrew. The word "renown" takes on a whole different flavor, meaning men in authority and men who were infamous. Looking at a Webster's dictionary, we come to find that the word infamous means, "notoriously vile and detestable." So, to put it all together, they ware tyrannical men in authority who were notoriously vile and detestable. Not the sort of guys you want dating your daughter.

Now, we are sort of at a disadvantage because the Bible sort of just leave the subject after only a couple of verses. There are other ancient Hebrew writings that go onto more detail about the subject. One, the Book of Enoch, goes into much more depth about this. You can read this account by clicking here. There's just too much content to include in this text.

The Nephilim were a bad breed. According to Enoch, they exhausted all of the resources of mankind and corrupted nearly the whole gene pool. Enoch even suggests that when they were at their worse, they even cannibalized men. God had enough of this and caused the Nephilim to fight against each other until they all slew each other. The fallen angels were forced to watch this and then they were denied access to heaven and furthermore, they were chained in a dark abode where they could not taint mankind anymore.

Enoch quotes God where the souls of the Nephilim are concerned:

And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. Enoch 15: 8-12

For those who have always wondered about where demons come from, you now have the answer. This also accounts for ghosts, poltergeists, goblins, ogres, fairies, and the voices behind channelers, fortune tellers and other types of mediums.

Now, it is the goal of every demon to possess a human being. They'll possess any animal, but they prize possessing humans. By possessing a human, they know that they have a chance to ruin the plans that God has for His creation and the beings that He loves, humankind. When they possess a human, they have the ability to deceive mankind with doctrines of demons and all sorts of lies.

So, why all the sexual experiments and such that are performed on abductees? Well, the world is sort of sophisticated these days, and the Holy Spirit roams the Earth too. He holds back a lot of trouble that would ensue if He weren't here. Also, mankind has been endowed over the years with a knowledge that the unknown is usually dangerous, especially where demonic activity is concerned. The fallen angels who corrupted the seed of mankind before the flood are locked up tight and can't mingle with women anymore either. Point is, the demons need a place to live, and if they can't get that place with much ease, they will create a place.

I am convinced, that all of the sexual things that are done to abductees are done so with the express idea of creating spiritless beings that the demons will be able to inhabit. These mock humans will look like us and for the most part act like us, but they will be the vehicle that will be used to deceive mankind. You see, Satan no longer has to worry about corrupting the physical seed of God, because he failed at that when Jesus was born; so he is set on corrupting any spiritual advance for the Kingdom of God. When God calls the Church out of this world, taking the Holy Spirit with it, then the powers of darkness will be free to reign. The demonic possessed beings will then be free to deceive the rest of mankind.

I also have a notion that in the days to come, these beings will mingle with the daughters of men once more, with the express idea of creating a corrupt race in total rebellion toward God. Many demons tend to have a sexual allure, but lack the body to commit acts. If they inhabit these mock bodies, they will be able to corrupt mankind. Jesus said something very interesting about the last days of human rule here on Earth:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Matthew 24:36-38

A question to ask is does the marrying and giving in marriage spoken of by our Lord Jesus denote that the women in that future day (or perhaps today) will be accosted like they were back in Noah's day, or did He just mean that people would be getting married like usual.



Epilogue:

Perhaps this document has caused you to think seriously about the nature of UFO's. You may agree with me or you might think that I am just another one of those religious fanatics who is trying to force religion on you, but I didn't make you turn to this page. You might even think me a great fool. If I am a fool with weird ideas then I will be embarrassed someday and have to live with the consequences of what I have compiled here. If however I am right (and history will prove that I am) you might have to start thinking about the ramifications that the UFO debacle might have on your life, and in the afterlife.

If you still have doubts about what I have said then I challenge you to read more about the subject. There are many places on the web where you can research what I have written. I also challenge you to ask God to reveal truth to you. If you in fact are interested in bringing an end to these experiences there is a tried and true way of doing it. I refer you to a website that deals with this subject. The men who run the site have had their own experiences with alien abduction and have been freed from this ordeal. They would love to help you to rid yourself of your visitations and abductions. Click here to go to their page. www.delusionresistance.org... The Dilusional Resistence !


Dave Ruffino

after going to that website, this is my reply.....

my thread

Deep_MindQuest,

just a suggestion: you should try to keep everything straight to the point. Because, that was really long and I doubt that anyone who needs to read it will do so. Of course you have noticed, but everyone is inclined to stick with what they believed in the first place.
Plus, it takes up less bandwidth if its short. To most ppl if what you say in a few sentances sparks their interest, they'll click any links you provide. And if they can't get the point in a few sentances they are probably not going to read all the info you provided.

BUT anyway thats some good info!

Originally posted by seawater999
Why should you or I waste each other's time? I don't think I'm being unreasonable. Do you?

It is always worth the time to see something from another point of view. I am actually interested to know why you think, what you think. If you are really that close-minded, then it is a waste of time and I won't bother.

Ummmmm...we already know what ufo's are,there was no point in putting that much information...but if you have anything that can possibly prove aliens and the bible tie in with eachother...then you can post that...but ufo's is nothing new to anybody..ok

Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Adam and Eve could have many kids but eventually they would die or be forced to imbreed. Not only that, the time taken to get to any other habitable planet is far beyond a human life-time.

This isn't necessarily true. Devices like solar sails, and ramjets could take us to Alpha Centauri in 40 years or so. the lifespan of humans has been recorded in many anient texts as being around 500-900 years. If you take into account that time slows down for the traveler as the speed increases, from an outside observer a lot of time passes, but from the traveler not as much.

travel to a close star is definately possible in a lifespan.

There is alot of symbology involved in the Bible.
The reason they use cloud is because it delivers rain for food to grow which people need in order to survive.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
travel to a close star is definately possible in a lifespan.

The time taken to get to Alpha Centauri would be approximately 40-50 years. Im not sure at what age Adam became an astronaut but assuming he is at least 30 when he leaves, and he lives to the ripe old age of 80, there is no chance for a return trip. Simply traveling is possible, but a mission to learn and record data is not really feasible as everyone on board would be old and decrepit. This is of course assuming these humans have a life expectancy under 100 years, not 500-900.

I do think interstellar travel is possible of course, but not a very good idea with todays technology.

I still have the question of how they are expected to procreate without imbreeding at some point in time.

I bring up the point of the extended lifespan because of the ages spoken of inthe Bible. Those extended ages are also mentioned in the Vedas of southern Asia. There is also a scientist who theorises that a human can live as long as 1000 years with the proper medical care. His name is Dr. Aubrey DeGray
chronicle.com...

Originally posted by Charlie Murphy

Originally posted by seawater999Why should you or I waste each other's time? I don't think I'm being unreasonable. Do you?

[...] If you are really that close-minded, then it is a waste of time and I won't bother.

if you want an open-minded response, don't ask close-ended questions like this:

Originally posted by Charlie Murphy

Originally posted by seawater999go ahead and believe that if you want.

I have to ask ;How can you have so much faith in the reasoning skills of man 2000 years ago?

Originally posted by merka

Originally posted by Zaimless
Yes I have read this too, it is in Ezekiel and is stated as follows in the KJV:1:[4] And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
[5] Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures

But one must note here, this is a revised bible, in the older versions it says metal not amber.

Or maybe he'd just eaten something rotten and was hallucinating

Personally I think UFO's in the bible is trying to explain to hard. One take select pieces, twist it and suddenly we have a UFO! But lets ignore the other odd things.

I'm also pretty sure the somewhere amidst the Bible text they talk about the war between Decepticons and Autobots.

I'm also pretty sure the somewhere amidst the Bible text they talk about the war between Decepticons and Autobots.

Does that prophesise Transformers

Ezekiel Wheels, UFOs, Elohim, Seraphim, Alien Hybrids.
www.mt.net...

[edit on 22-11-2005 by Deep_MindQuest]

Originally posted by eddiemaiden_80
I'm also pretty sure the somewhere amidst the Bible text they talk about the war between Decepticons and Autobots.

Does that prophesise Transformers

If you dont take this stuff serious then why are you wasting your time posting worthless comments...and dont be dissing the transformers because thats a good cartoon

Originally posted by Deep_MindQuest
Ezekiel Wheels, UFOs, Elohim, Seraphim, Alien Hybrids.
www.mt.net...

[edit on 22-11-2005 by Deep_MindQuest]

Now if this is the truth then why isnt every bible network on t.v telling us this stuff,why isnt the churches warning ppl of this alien deception...are they scared these demon/fallen angels might take over there television programs,or there churches..no..i don think so,because it wont happen...of course theres going to be good aliens.and bad ones,but to label all of them as demons/fallen angels...is just plain wrong...

[edit on 22-11-2005 by FarFromDanK]

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Originally posted by FarFromDanK

Originally posted by eddiemaiden_80
I'm also pretty sure the somewhere amidst the Bible text they talk about the war between Decepticons and Autobots.

Does that prophesise Transformers

If you dont take this stuff serious then why are you wasting your time posting worthless comments...and dont be dissing the transformers because thats a good cartoon

Good comment. I grew up with the transformers on network tv. Are you aware that metatron was an archangel? For real

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A certain somebody told me that the aliens are fallen angels who were expelled from heaven. some parts of heaven are spiritual and others are highly technological with real civilizations who take the existance of God for granted. these aliens were expelled becuase the were angry that God had created a being who had so much greater potential than any angel(ADAM).

this creation being man. We were formed from the dust yet given the essence of God. Our bodies are even lower than the animals but yet Our spirit is of God. Our spirit isl capable of lifting up our lowly existance to the level of partners with God. A level well above angels.

during the time of the messiah we will be in the process of lifting ourselves upto that level.

Originally posted by scienceguy94
A certain somebody told me that the aliens are fallen angels who were expelled from heaven. some parts of heaven are spiritual and others are highly technological with real civilizations who take the existance of God for granted. these aliens were expelled becuase the were angry that God had created a being who had so much greater potential than any angel(ADAM).

this creation being man. We were formed from the dust yet given the essence of God. Our bodies are even lower than the animals but yet Our spirit is of God. Our spirit isl capable of lifting up our lowly existance to the level of partners with God. A level well above angels.

during the time of the messiah we will be in the process of lifting ourselves upto that level.

this sounds very interesting..can you explain more on this topic

What about the UFO's which are in the old biblical paintings? How are these explained?

As I said this is not information coming from me.


What we call angels are actually highly advanced lifeforms.Thier(some angels) technology didn't actually evolve but was given to them at the time of thier creation. God had given them devices that would allow them to fly at high speeds, become invisible, be visible only to a certain person or animal(balaams donkey). this is for some angels. The purpose being they serve Gods will. Angels have all different looks. some are so close to God that you cannot look at them directly. Yes angels also drive "ufo's". and they will pick us up at a certain time before the actual date of the arrival of the messiah.



The reason why we weren't given this stuff is becuase we were created to strive for perfection. they have a limited brain capacity although at this stage in time they are far beyond us we will someday exceed them.

Alot of what we consider supernatural is actually mega advanced technology and poorly understood physical phenomenon.