Is the US really hated more now than before?

After doing some reading and thinking about it for a while, I am not so certain that the US is hated any more than it was before we entered into Iraq in 2003 to remove Saddam. So many people are believeing the hype that we are hated more now because we are not "minding our own business" in the middle east.

Here is my point:

1. Iraqis hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
2. Iran hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
3. France hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
4. Syria hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
5. Osama hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
6. The majority of the Islamic world hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
7. China hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.
8. North Korea hated us BEFORE we went into Iraq.

You may have a tough time finding someone who DIDN'T hate us before we went into Iraq.

Yet all you hear now is how much the entire world hates us, but they hated us before. So what is the difference?

Do you really think that their minds will be changed if we do anything different?

Every time we have helped during natural disasters, they still hate us. It is because they feel as if they are beggars, so that just makes them hate us more for feeling that way.

Do we remove our troops to change their minds? We don't have troops in France, but they still hate us.

They all would still hate us just the same. How do YOU feel about it?

Let's try to keep this civil, rational, and the flames down to a minimum, please.

its mostly your goverment and their general attitude towards the rest of the world (crap foreign policies) that others Hate

its not the people of america

Well, a lot of the people on your list helped pay for and fought in America's last war. Is it likely they will again anytime soon? There's your answer.

You may have a tough time finding someone who DIDN'T hate us before we went into Iraq.

Even tougher now.

Yes, as much as we were hated before we are hated even more now.

I could dig up a few polls, but I'm sure everyone has seen enough of them already.


Why do they hate us?

Because we are meddlesome, and we meddled more than we ought in Iraq.

Originally posted by bodrul
its mostly your goverment and their general attitude towards the rest of the world (crap foreign policies) that others Hate

its not the people of america

Thank you for pointing this out, it is relevent.

The entire thing is irrelevant.
who hates us? None of those who you mentioned are not members of any American fan club.
The people in those countries have even less reliable means of information than our own.
Most of the nations mentioned really felt no remorse when the WTC and the Pentagon was attacked, and when the planes slammed into their targets, the people aboard were only fat, arrogant Americans.

While I see the global onsgoings not as we are supposed to see them, and while I see those who are really in control of the world as the real enemy, I'm not really concerned about the opinions of ignorant people. they serve a purpose, too; they see the U.S. as the ultimate enemy and do not realize who the real enemy is.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
The entire thing is irrelevant.
who hates us? None of those who you mentioned are not members of any American fan club.

OK Thomas but what about the rest of the world, or does that even matter. I'm sure we know what the UK thinks, I mean the gov't, not necessarily the people.

What about Canada Thomas? We're close but don't always agree. That's a bad thing?

What about Jamaca? What about Mexico? Major trading partner, being silent right about now.

I think this IS a relevent point, it's your GOVERNMENT that EVERYONE is leery of, not the people.

Honestly? I see your own government as an enemy of it's own people. Sad!

If you see me as less because of this opinion, I'm sorry BUT it's correct.

No, the U.S and Canada doesn't always agree, I think we are both conscious of the other's opinions and feelings, both in regard to the governments and the nations.

I think it is probably more important that the people are friends, and that the people talk. This way, we have a better chance at beating "them".
Take NR, for example, he is not the Iranian government, but an Iranian citizen. Who doesn't like him? He is a very repectable man, one who is fun to talk to, one who wishes well for everyone else yet is proud of his nation. He's the kind of man that deserves respect, wouldn't you think? Puts a face on the other nations, and makes them much more important than the governments.

During the revolution we never hated the U.S., just because those student radicals took those americans as hostages doesnt mean we were against America, after all we gaved them all back. You know what made us hate U.S.? their involvment during our war with iraq and killing tons of iranians with supplying checmical weapons to Iraq.

just because those student radicals took those americans as hostages doesnt mean we were against America, after all we gaved them all back.

NR that gave me such a laugh, “gave them all back”, classic! I wonder what you would think if the situation had been reversed.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

just because those student radicals took those americans as hostages doesnt mean we were against America, after all we gaved them all back.

NR that gave me such a laugh, “gave them all back”, classic! I wonder what you would think if the situation had been reversed.

believe it or not i don't think anything would of happend other than sanctions and an arms embargo which we already got, but trust me if you guys had nothing to do with Iraq war than all of this wouldn't have happend. Should of had more meetings and cooperation instead of making us turn our direction towards China and Russia.

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Im from canada and I didnt really hate u before but I can say the direction the U.S. is heading in is starting to make me worry alot more and is kinda making me hate you.

The first post is totally misleading. People in europe didn't hate america before Iraq. They just didn't have any strong opinions about the country.

So to say "France hated us" is bull#, really. Its a cop out to avoid facing reality. What has changed is these average people are now having strong opinions, and its tending negative.

Firstly "hate" is directed at the policies of the current administration, not at americans as a people.

Secondly, forget the countries that hated america in the past, its the people in the "friendly" countries that has been lost from the "I like America" fanclub.

Its the teens and the middle grounders in europe, and the anipodes that have been turned against America. Its also the comfortable middle class, as opposed to the more ideologically driven poor people who are shocked and disapointed in Americas behaviour.

3rdly there was a sizable minority, or silent majority of Muslims who liked america prior to the latest debacle, who have lost resepct from tyhe country with the ongoing stuff ups and bad publicity from tortures etc,

America has lost that silent majority approval in western nations, and the middle ground of people. The sort of people who don't voice their opinons to the media, the people who never really thought about it, the Ma and Pa Kettles of the world. They are being polarized now.

It will take years to repair, if ever. The moral high ground that America held prior to Iraq has totally gone.



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Im sick of hearing about governments that have agendas against the USA the will always be people/governments that dont like you thats life.

Look at the other side of the coin America has friends and allies that have come to her aid and will continue to do so in the future.

Speaking in Adelaide after bilateral talks, Mr Rumsfeld said "enormous progress" was being made in Iraq. He defended the conditions at Guantanamo Bay, saying people who had visited the US jail in Cuba came away saying detainees there received "excellent treatment".

Mr Rumsfeld and the US Deputy Secretary of State, Robert Zoellick, have been in Adelaide for two days of security talks with the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Alexander Downer, and the Minister for Defence, Robert Hill.

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NZ in Afghanistan

The commitment

* A Provincial Reconstruction Team of 120 personnel in Bamiyan to promote stability and security in the province. Pledged to remain until September next year.

* About 50 Special Air Service soldiers, now on their third rotation.

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BAMYAN, Afghanistan, Nov. 18, 2005 — The New Zealand Provincial Reconstruction Team in Afghanistan recently built a swing set and basketball court at Markaz Girls' High School near Kiwi Base in Bamyan.
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I really didn't read much of anything regarding large public displays of outage against the USA across the globe until recent history changed this.

The world, at least the parts that held no great contempt for the west, essentially was united with the USA after the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

Remember the article from Le Monde of France which held the title "We are all Americans" published on September 12, 2001?

Those days are now long over. What a difference four years of absolutely abominable foreign policy makes.

[edit on 18-11-2005 by heelstone]

Originally posted by Netchicken
So to say "France hated us" is bull#, really. Its a cop out to avoid facing reality. What has changed is these average people are now having strong opinions, and its tending negative.

Firstly "hate" is directed at the policies of the current administration, not at americans as a people.

I am glad you brought this up. This is part of the entire problem, really. If you pay attention to the media and look at articles and books being written about how the French hate the US, you would think that an American shouldn't dare show his face in France. The reality if quite different. Some stats show that one in five tourists in France is American. If you speak to people who are there, they will tell you that they do not hate us at all. They hate the US policy. They depend upon American tourist dollars.

There is so much spin thrown into the mix every day that the spin seems to be overpowering what is really happening in the world. Everyone is getting such overexaggerated views of what is really going on. The news will show you protest after protest. This country hates us. That country hates us. One after the other. Has anything really changed?

I live in Colorado, USA and in my job, I have the ability to ask people what the hell is going on. There are many military bases here and I have spoken to returning soldiers from Iraq and they are always telling me that they don't even watch TV anymore. They say that you can't believe anything the news says. They tell me they were there and the news isn't even close.

So, is this all spin? If you listen to the news, the sky is falling around us and the world is about to end. Are we in such a desperate situation? Or are we only made to think so because it makes good headlines and sells newspapers.

Originally posted by intrepid

I think this IS a relevent point, it's your GOVERNMENT that EVERYONE is leery of, not the people.

Honestly? I see your own government as an enemy of it's own people. Sad!

If you see me as less because of this opinion, I'm sorry BUT it's correct.

Not really, the Bush administrastion was voted in by the majority of us Americans and their supposed to represent us, so if the world hates our Government...than they Hate America.

We are Hated because we have the Guts to confront evil governments and set their peoples free. We represent all the hopes and dreams of the free world.....and thats why we're hated.

We mean what we say and we back it up with muscle.

All those countries listed above were (still are?) run by THUGS and Murderers, cept France...and you all know what I think of the French.

Maximu§



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But who is the U.S. to say what country is evil or not? how bout we remove the U.S. government? tell me this, why is it ok for Bush and Blair to lie but not ok for others to do so or play their game?.

Originally posted by NR
But who is the U.S. to say what country is evil or not?

America has been fighting Evil for over 200 years.....ever since the Civil War. So we know Evil when we see it. We have fought fellow Americans...Indians...British.....Canadians....Mexicans...Phillipinos....Japanese...Germans...Iraqis...Vietnamese...Chinese....North Koreans....Serb's.....Islamic terrorists...

Jesus Christ, no wonder everyone Hates us....we have fought alot of people. Well that just leaves the Iranians and the Russians.



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Someday, someday, America will be a country loved by the world again. The unfortunate thing is, it's gonna take a devestating turn of events before Bush leaves office and soon afterwards to change that.

But we're gonna be one harmonious world, someday.