Rioters in France Planning Attack on Central Paris

Just heard this on FOX, don't have a link:

French police are concerned by intelligence that Muslim rioters may be planning a coordinated attack on central Paris, which so far has been largely untouched by the rioting. They say intercepted Internet and cellphone text messages indicate that rioters may be planning this move on Paris.

If these groups attack central Paris, the gov't will have to act more harshly, if only to prevent further deterioration of France's tourist industry and worldwide embarrassment.

edit:

Here's a link courtesy of deltaboy: Yahoo!

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Paris police chief Pierre Mutz banned the transport and purchase of petrol in jerry cans after a string of arrests in the capital of people carrying firebombs. He also says he fears violence is being planned in the capital itself.

"Calls have been launched over the past few days on Internet sites and by SMS messages urging meetings within Paris and calling for 'violent actions'," Mutz's office said.

Violence in the Paris area has been largely confined to the suburban housing estates far from the city center. The rioters are youngsters who say they are angered by racism, high unemployment, poor prospects and harsh treatment by police.

In the capital itself, life has continued as usual.

i got dis. it looks like the rioters are hoping to gain more attention by rioting where pretty much everybody can see and hear them. best place to riot would be the Eiffel Tower. imagine dat.

[edit on 11-11-2005 by deltaboy]

I can’t see this ending well at all. There is just too much opportunity for Islamic Fundamentalists to use this situation for their benefit.

Hopefully I’m wrong though.

Well, thankfully for French authorities, the youths aren't using secure communications. They are showing their hand, and exposing themselves to scrutiny.

It really shouldn't be hard for French police to intercept, decode, and prioritize the messages, in order to facilitate the arrest of anyone who appears to be a leader or organizer.

I'm not trying to minimize what is, indeed, a very volatile situation. Rather, I'm trying to give the cloud a silver lining by saying "it could be worse."

These hoodlums could be using secure, encrypted forms of communication, which would require much greater effort on the part of authorities.

So at least these kids are violent and stupid, instead of violent and cunning. That would be a real pickle.

The french need to bring in the FFL and give them shoot on sight orders.

AMM

That would make the situation much worse in my opinion. What they need to do is enforce the law evenly and fairly.

There are laws against arson, vandalism, rape, assault, destruction of private proverty.

The whole incident happened because the immigrants were sick and tired of being treated differently. If France decides to throw law aside and shoot them all in the head, the French authorities have elegantly proved the point made by the immigrants.

The way to handle this thing, I think, is to use troops if necessary for crowd control, and to make as many arrests as possible. The French authorities can also use containment tactics, and then we'll have a brand new Palestinian-type situation to talk about.

I don't think shooting every rioter is the answer. Better to resist the urge to use quick and dirty tactics just because the perpetrators are immigrants. The French wouldn't consider shooting to kill if their own constituents were rioting, now would they?

Don't fall into the age old trap; those who wish to combat evil think they can do so more effectively by becoming evil themselves.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
AMM

That would make the situation much worse in my opinion. What they need to do is enforce the law evenly and fairly.

There are laws against arson, vandalism, rape, assault, destruction of private proverty.

I shared your opinion, actually. I was completely against any leathal force up untill this point.

However, if the rioters move from thier neighborhoods and into Paris, IMHO that is the last straw.

What the French (and Europe in general) need to do is take a good look at their immigration policies. While I'm all for people going where they want to make a better life for themselves, the desire for cheap labor has suckered them into letting in many more people than they can actually hope to employ, leading to a large, disaffected group that feels betrayed, isolated, and doomed to permanent second class citizenship. That's a recipe for disaster if you ask me.

The best remedy for this would be adopting a policy of deportation for those participating in the rioting. A molotov cocktail should be a one way ticket back to your country of origin, do not pass go, do not collect $100 (francs?). The rioting would end posthaste.

Originally posted by xmotex
What the French (and Europe in general) need to do is take a good look at their immigration policies. While I'm all for people going where they want to make a better life for themselves, the desire for cheap labor has suckered them into letting in many more people than they can actually hope to employ, leading to a large, disaffected group that feels betrayed, isolated, and doomed to permanent second class citizenship. That's a recipe for disaster if you ask me.

The best remedy for this would be adopting a policy of deportation for those participating in the rioting. A molotov cocktail should be a one way ticket back to your country of origin, do not pass go, do not collect $100 (francs?). The rioting would end posthaste.

They've already started deporting people who have been convicted of rioting.
I think it's over 200 but I'm not sure.

The whole thing about France's immigration policies, is that I think they're already strict. I think you can't even get a tourist visa unless you can prove you are employed.

I think the problem may be with persons crossing the border from other countries or maybe with people who are being granted amnesty.

migration.ucdavis.edu

The socialist government elected in France in 1997 promised a new approach to immigration and asylum, and launched an amnesty program for thousands of foreigners who could not obtain legal residence permits but could also not be deported. Eventually, 142,000 foreigners applied for immigrant status in 1997-98, and 76,000 received immigrant status, 64,000 were rejected, and 2,000 are still being considered.

The 64,000 rejected asylum applicants had until mid-September to appeal the decisions forbidding them to remain in France. As the deadline approached and passed, there were street marches and occupations of churches to urge the government to grant all of the rejected foreigners immigrant status. In the past, occupying churches has effectively prevented deportation.

Originally posted by xmotex
The best remedy for this would be adopting a policy of deportation for those participating in the rioting. A molotov cocktail should be a one way ticket back to your country of origin, do not pass go, do not collect $100 (francs?). The rioting would end posthaste.

While that does sound good, it does hold the possibility of making other immigrants feel "targeted" anyway, regardless of whether or not they are guilty of participating in any way with the riots. For example, deporting Muslims that are rioting might cause non-rioting Muslims to start...

Just a thought...

Can someone provide a valid source that states Muslim rioters?

Originally posted by G_o_l_d_y
Can someone provide a valid source that states Muslim rioters?

Still in denial?

Just look at some of the Google news articles:
news.google.com...

They've had this stuff on for awhile. What's the big deal? If this was America you would have the National Guard out there. Also, is it true the French have already written up surrender papers?

People shouldn't be so quick to prosacute a whole religion for actions. Lets not forget what happened in Germany not too long ago. I don't consider myself of any organised religion so don't prosacute me either.

You should take into consideration this link as well before you start pointing your middle finger at people. BTW, if you need somthing to hate, hate somthing stupid like... Pokemon! Yah there ya go.


Muslims issue fatwa against riots

France's second largest city, Lyon, was hit by rioters today:

Aside from the nighttime incidents at the Place de la République in Paris last weekend, the riots have not hit a major city center, until late this afternoon. The Lyon city center (in French, Google translation here: translation) was rocked twice by rioting youths who faced down police at the Place Bellecour on 2 occasions late this afternoon.

Riot police launched tear gas on the rioters who threw stones and garbage cans. Shops closed up and the Lyon Book Fair ceased operations.

¡No Pasarán!

I'm French and let me tell you that FOX news is talking about something they obviously misunderstand . According to them, there's a civil war in France. Even if the situation is tense, only 200 cities out of 36000 are witnessing violence in some of their districts. The riots are not led and organized by a bunch of people who would coordinate everything. Rioters in Paris have no links to rioters in Lyon. If there is any coordination in the attacks, it's only on a local scale.
The roots of what's happening are mainly social and have nothing to do with religion (even if some stupid rioters scream allah akbar), the fact is that the great majority of people living in poor suburbs are muslims, that's why the majority of the rioters are muslims.

What pisses me off is that the governement has prevented Nicolas Sarkozy, the French interior ministry ( head of the police) to act because he wanted to take a tough stance against the rioters and that was not politically correct. This guy will probably be France's next president in 2007. He's a tough guy, he wants to improve relations with the US, he hates leftists...

The fact that the hard-core Muslim rioters are actually communicating and planning is France's worst nightmare.

Its no longer a "mob" thats venting their frustrations....Now their being strategic and planning assaults to try and spread out the security forces.

Maximu§

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Still in denial?

Just look at some of the Google news articles:
news.google.com...

Well i just checked a few pages and all i could see was ether a news source was some local US newspaper or the article wasnt related 2 France.

Again: can someone provide a valid source that will claim Muslim riots?

Originally posted by ludo182
What pisses me off is that the governement has prevented Nicolas Sarkozy, the French interior ministry ( head of the police) to act because he wanted to take a tough stance against the rioters and that was not politically correct. This guy will probably be France's next president in 2007. He's a tough guy, he wants to improve relations with the US, he hates leftists...

I though LePen would be in the running for 2007?

Anyhow, I like Sarkozy also...he says it like it is and pulls no punches. Chiracs's government and its socialist policies have failed France....I look forward to the day the French boot them out on their butts.

Maximu§

what are you talking about LA_maximus? Don't mix what's happening in France with war on terror and muslim extremism. The riots have nothing to do with islam. I'm surprised that Fox News didn't already talk about the riots being organized by Al Qaeda lol.

If smart people like you have such a bad understanding of what's happening in a country like France, no wonder why the US government didn't understand how the post-war situation in Iraq would look like!