UFOs are a waste or your time.

Originally posted by Devilishkitty
Lately I have been doing some serious thinking about this UFO stuff. I have been a member of this ATS site for some time now and have NEVER had the chance to see a real UFO pic. All UFO pics that are brought up here are hoaxed. 100% hoaxed, or so say most people at this site. I have noticed that the dulce bases are bunk and that Roswell might very well be a myth. I mean if every UFO pic and story is hoaxed, then Rosewell must be hoaxed too. because if we don't have a decent pic of a "Flying Saucer" in all of this time (50 years or more) then this means that they don't exist. So Rosewell could have never happened. Many people have supposed "evidence" but in reality what they have is more like a waste of time. It's like all these UFO pics, all of them are just a mix of earth lights, airplanes, helicopters, blimps, balloons, secret American planes, or trash bags that go hundreds of miles into the air. And morons think that it is a Space ship, record it, show it on ATS and get their Culo grilled by the geniuses here.

In the early years people made hub cap, and Dixie plate UFOs. Everybody had a crystal clear pic a a "Flying Saucer." The people who shot these pics made fools of them selves and said dumb stuff like "I was taken to Venus on a spaceship", they made a name for themselves and made it to the history books as the "UFO NUTS". Nowadays it is the PhotoShop. Everyone has a clear but photochopy pic that kills the credibility of supposed real UFOs (if they exist). And the people who do these still can be considered NUTs.


Now lets talk about some worthy thoughts and observations.

1. UFOs are NOT real. I say this because I know it. I learned it here at ATS. I learned that 100% of all video and pics are faked someway or the other.
There can't be a real UFO, because there is no evidence to prove otherwise. So many video cameras and not one real UFO on tape.... come on, who are you guys kidding.

2. Most of the people that believe in UFOs( space ships and aliens) are NUTS!! Yes I said it, NUTS!! I have read some posts here about some really fruity people. Some people believe to be in direct contact with the supposed aliens. * you know who you are*

This can't be true because like I said before UFOs don't exist. Which leads to the notion that they are either lying, or they are NUTS. You see, we can't even get a real picture of the supposed UFO, so how can we believe that there are some who are in actual contact with aliens.

3.Aliens. Ah, the Aliens. Who are these intrepid ones who remain in a shroud of mystery? Them and their God like powers, they can appear and disappear in a flash. Can open doors that are locked, can heal the sick, or can sicken the healthy. Can read your mind, can erase your memory, or can paralyze you at will. Yes these Grey little bastards, who can do as they wish with us the worthless and less intellectual humans. They are so smart, they build UFOs that can travel 100's of light years, and as soon as they get to earth, they crash. Yes... These little geniuses always manage to crash somewhere, Rosewell, shag harbor, kegsburg, Tunguska, and elsewhere. So many crashes and no one manage to take a pic. The army always intervenes. And scares the poop out of the onlookers. They are soulless biological entities who apparently like to play hide and seek. These little ones are camera shy too, we don't have a real pic of an alien either, All pics and video showed In the internet and ATS are 100% faked. So there for, they don't exist. Majestic 12 documents are fake, so the EBEs must be faked too. Reptilians are TV superstars, they appear in a few movies, they made the big time in the TV show "V" in the 80's. Totally fictional. And as for the other species, these too are bogus.


4.The ships (AKA UFOs, space ships, triangles, spheres, etc.) These imaginary flying artifacts are products of drugs and alcohol. You see people think that they are seeing things but it’s all in their head. Most of them are on some form of medication, which causes these hallucinations. Many individuals interpret these ships as they imagine them. No two UFOs are alike. All pics of UFOs are of different ships, which have unique characteristics. This is because the hoaxer who made them will give the UFO his imaginative touch. The ones we see on video and pics are products of people’s imaginations. They photograph and video tape these model ships in order to convince the public that these ships are real. Alien ships are bogus 100% of the time. They don't exist. Also, a lot of misidentified flying objects such as satellites, shooting stars, Venus, and earthlights, are often mistaken for UFO.


5. Believers. People want to believe in something. Life is boring so they make stuff up. Ghosts, goblins, fairies, aliens, sea monsters, bigfoot, and the gods etc. All man made fictional entities. Collective imagination. People would believe anything. This is why the UFO field has so many millionaires like Dr. Greer and Stanton Friedman.


6. Peplople who believe make others rich. Yes if you believe, there is a high chance that you are, or will help contribute to make a hoaxer rich. So my advice to you is, work hard cause there are hoaxters out there who need your money.


Finally, UFOs are not real. You have been wasting your time and are NEVER going to know the "truth" because the "truth" is not what you think it is. The truth is that life is unique to planet earth unless proven otherwise. I’m sorry but that’s the way life goes. Life is boring on this rock, what you see is what you get.


[edit on 10-11-2005 by Devilishkitty]

1. Yes they are real.

2. I am not Nuts, but there is a certain Nuts that I like very much on this forum.

3. Aliens are not bogus, not your fault really not everyone has a chance to see one.

4. UFOs are real, sadly I wasn´t drunk the last time I saw one (would have added a lot of emotions to the experience).

5. I guess you could be right, my life is so sad and insignificant that UFOs kind of reassure me of the beauty of life

6. You could be right again, I guess people like Jacques Valleé and Antonio Ribera must gave gotten rich with my purchases of thier books. (those bastards!).

And finally did you read this:

"This forum is dedicated to the discussion of historic and contemporary events related to extraterrestrial encounters, UFO sightings, and speculation about related subjects. Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of the existence of extraterrestrials and the related conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups. Members who would seek to refute such theories should be mindful of AboveTopSecret.com's tradition of supporting the examination of the "extraterrestrial phenomenon" on the related conspiracy theories, cover-ups, and scandals."

Until you see a ufo you will always wonder if they are real or not. I have seen them on two seperate occasions now which forces me to believe in Unidentified Flying Aircraft (or something weird in the sky and I don't know what it is).

I do not know what they were or where they came from.

I had a friend sit and watch with me during the last episode. When I saw them I knew it was something weird and unidentified but I didn't tell my friend that as I wanted his candid views first. He saw what I saw. Whatever they are they are neat.

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Hello Devilishkitty, I'm Argentus, and I'm a NUT. [HELLO ARGENTUS!]

I believe in the existance and physical manifestation of craft and entities which are commonly referred to as UFOs. I understand your angst about the lack of definitive proof, believe me. I have said before that proof has always been subjective and personal -- when a person sees or experiences an event that they cannot define or imagine a causation that is natural or man-made, then an informed conclusion can be drawn, but, regrettfully these bits of subjective data do not translate well in the form of proof to others. In this day and age of CGI, can you imagine a photo or video that would convince you? No, me either. Thus, some revel in the personal experience, while others await their turn. I hope it's soon your turn.

Cheers

I know what they are, I have seen several, they are there, I don't go out of my way to find them.

Now if I see an unusul light in the sky I hardly pay it attention. Pretty much a fact and nothing I need to do any further research on.
Although I will admit, I do like to view the videos of others who are still trying to figure out what they are.

There you have it, it's a waste of time to those who know what they are!

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what is really a waste of time is this discussion with you...

you haven't researched even 10 % of the subject, just hanged on about this forum for a month or so probably...and come claiming all this

are you writing this out of frustration cause you've seen no solid evidence so far, or you haven't seen one of those UFOs...

I've seen 4 extraterrestrial crafts so far...5th is questionable

I claim them to be extraterestrial cause they showed non earthly physical capabilities, or at least unknown to us on earth...therefore non of this planet

so you prove me wrong they are not extraterrestrial...


you just can't
and that is also a fact

Originally posted by Kryties
Damn I just realised I managed to bump a thread from 2005. Not sure why but it was on top of my list in the Aliens and UFO's forum so I assumed it was recent.

Don't worry about it Buddy. I am still here.....

Ah.... the believers!

So I hear you guys are waiting for the Mother ship? Ha! Don't make me go ballistic on you guys. Remember what I told you about Greer in that other thread that I posted. This would get him crazy, and it would get Maussan Crazy too. Look at them now. The UFO topic made them NUTS. It's like I predicted it back in 2005. You guys censored me, and gang up on me. And now you know the truth. How is that for a prediction?

So what I get from your initial post is that if even one legitimate photo of a UFO were produced, then you would have no choice, but to completely change your opinion. Then what about the McMinnville photo? It has been around for almost 60 years now and has been analyzed by probably hundreds of photo analysts. To my knowledge none of them have come back to say it was a hoax. Even Project Blue Book and the Condon Report did not know what to make of it. So, how do you explain it if UFOs aren't real?

McMinnville Photos

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LOL I mean this with no disrespect intended, but are you willing, if in fact UFO's of alien origin do end up actually existing, to eat your own feet?

Personally this is how I see it. I shall begin with what is probably the single most humbling and awe-inspiring picture ever taken. It is a picture taken from Hubble and it is a view of the deepest reaches of space, in what looks to be an unremarkable piece of sky....



This is the Hubble Ultra Deep Field image, the furthest we have ever seen into space. Each one of those dots, dashes and swirls represents a galaxy. In this picture alone there are over 10,000 of them. This picture represents an area of sky that is so tiny that to look at it with the naked eye it would not look bigger than a grain of rice.

Now consider that each one of those galaxies has perhaps a few billion stars in it and each one of those stars has possibly several planets orbiting it. If even one in 1 billion of those planets harboured conditions suitable for life as we know it, that represents a phenomenal number of possibilities for the advent of life to occur. That is, of course assuming that all life evolves and is made of the same chemical make-up as we presently know it today. If we were to consider that other forms of life may be possible (such as silicon based life) then the number increases again dramatically to a staggering figure.

Now consider that perhaps, of the planets that we can assume possibly contain life, that one in one million of them contain actual civilisations, and of those civilisations some have become advanced enough, even surpassed our own present technological capability, then the number of possible civilisations that are able to traverse space is phenomenal to say the least.

I believe, given even just this information, that it is impossible for life NOT to have occurred outside our own minuscule existence. Given this I also believe that it is not impossible to believe that some of that life has not surpassed our own space-faring capability to the point of being able to travel interstellar distances. Therefore, given this information, it is not hard to believe that some of that life may have visited us.

The conclusion I must therefore come to is that UFO's of extraterrestrial origin are NOT a waste of our time and that to believe so is naive and shows a willingness to ignore a mathematical certainty.

You seem like a troll to me, but your probably not.

Anyway UFO's are real, as you know it means Unidentified Flying Objects.



[edit on 7-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]

OK, how is this, two words:

Free Energy

Is that good enough to waste one's time on?

Although much has happened since the this original post was made in 2005, no one can say that there is overwhelming evidence that UFO's do not exist. However, we still lack that one case, you know, the one that just knocks everyone's socks off. The event/evidence that firmly places a cork in the mouth of hard core skeptics. I'm talking mountains of overwhelming proof and physical evidence that they can take to their labs and run their tests on to their hearts' content. The case that gives scientists genuine off-world made devices, materials and biological samples that can be studied with wonder and awe. The "biggest story in human history" kind of evidence. If it does exist, how could it stay hidden forever, right? I only hope I live long enough to see it.

daaaang if feel like we jumped this guy/gal in to a gang just now

'kitty' maybe after all of this reading you are starting to see that the many here have bonded with this ufo/alien forum and dont like it when non scientific, emotional 'i need proof' pity party talk makes its way into the day.

im HIGHLY confident that you wont admit to the fact that you are realizing that you took the 'get rich quick' approach to the phenomenon by trying to read a few cases and watch the sky for about a week and then throw in the towel. well thats not the way it works.

you started off talking about a few interesting cases like roswell, but you failed to even mention the dorothy izatt phenomenon,..if this is true that you havent looked into her recent documentary then your missing out.
www.capturingthelightdvd.com

i can practically see the synaps in your brain linking the gelactic federation of light prediction to those of us who ackowledge the ufo phenomenon.. try not to be so simple cause you will obviously find out that we are not easily swayed by things.

thank god you didnt link us to prophet yahwey.




[edit on 10/8/2008 by LordThumbs]

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
So what I get from your initial post is that if even one legitimate photo of a UFO were produced, then you would have no choice, but to completely change your opinion. Then what about the McMinnville photo? It has been around for almost 60 years now and has been analyzed by probably hundreds of photo analysts. To my knowledge none of them have come back to say it was a hoax. Even Project Blue Book and the Condon Report did not know what to make of it. So, how do you explain it if UFOs aren't real?

McMinnville Photos

I never saw that one... and Oregon.

TextDATE/TIME: May 11, 1950; 7:45 PM (PST)
LOCATION: McMinnville, Oregon; 0.2 miles S of the Salmon Run Hiway; Approximately 10 miles SW of McMinnville, Oregon on or near the farm of the eyewitnesses; Coordinates 123 19�50� W longitude, 45 06� 15� N latitude;
ELEVATION: 210 feet above sea level.

I just found out that Nikola Tesla and John Jacob Astor were working
on a Derigible in Oregon.
Look, you need deep research on Tesla since the CIA confiscates
anything now days and promotes books with his picture on the cover and
then inside say they don't know anything about him.

Tesla worked on electrical flight mechanisms and succeed.
The Dirigible works might just as well keep a few old time saucers around.
JJA died in the Titanic and must have set back any project and I suspect
the Battle of LA 1942 might have involved one of the Oregon craft.


I like the projection on top, like an electrical connection.
An imbalance of LIKE charges causes a momentum change.
Quite hard to do but Tesla did it.

Very interesting find. Yeah it was too real to explain.



ED: Tesla Patents... you won't find much applicable now:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
From this page:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Main page of mostly dis information, so be an expert on any or all:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...




[edit on 10/8/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

reply to post by Devilishkitty

But you must realize the aliens, or rather the Orion aliens (who control the Secret Gov and have been here since building the pyramids) want people to disbelieve...then they can fully accomplish the take-over from their Moon base.

Oh they are very real, but yeah, I got tired of it too and shared my thoughts in This thread.



Sorry about the one-liner, but my opinion is written in the OP in my link.


[edit on 8-10-2008 by darksky]

[edit on 8-10-2008 by darksky]

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you dont know bull# about aliens man. and dont you think thats a pretty dull way of living i mean where the only life form in the universe the universe has no end. the chances are too great not to be aliens. and when you said people who belive in aliens and ufo's are nuts. your calling 60% of the human population 'nuts'

Originally posted by Devilishkitty
Blah blah blah dribble dribble dribble
[edit on 10-11-2005 by Devilishkitty]

Seriously you could cut your dribble short and waste less space.
You cant prove Leprechauns don't exist, just like right now I cant prove they do.
You cant prove God exists, Jesus, Mohhamed, Buddah....
But BILLIONS of people believe in these, are they all nuts to?
Did you ever think you might be nuts?
Usually those who think they are not nuts and everyone else is have the problem.

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you just freed up a lot of time for me

thank you



[edit on 11/18/2008 by Spiramirabilis]

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Look, the way I see it is like this:

In 100 years, a class of children will be laughing their arses off at the crazy people who thought plasma discharges in the atmosphere were alien species.

Not that I think UFOs are plasma discharges, but you get the idea. For all we know, it's a natural phenomena. hard to believe, I know. Maybe it's got something to do with weather control weapons... who knows?

Like said before, we don't have even so much as a good photo for evidence to prove that it's an alien species. Just because it looks and acts like a possible flying craft, doesn't always mean it is.

Just remember how easy it would be for a fabricated lie to spread around as a truth (for example: evolution, GOD... no serious proof. Just endless theories with supporting coincidences)

Thanks

Your theory carries no weight because it is chock full of invalid reasoning. For instance: "Some people believe to be in direct contact with the supposed aliens. * you know who you are* This can't be true because like I said before UFOs don't exist"
So, in other words:
A.) I don't believe ufos exist
B.) Some people believe ufos exist
C.) Becasue I don't believe ufos exist some people that believe in ufos are crazy

Is this logic or pure, biased opinion?