Seven Fires - William Commanda

reply to post by masqua


hmm,that's interesting...

S & F for you my friend, very informative thread.
Have you any suggestions what i can do as a simple man from denmark with no options to travel and such.
I wanna make this world a better place for all people, a world without greed, sorrow, hate and fear (may be a long stretch).
I know that i have it in me to do so i just need a helping hand to get started...

Originally posted by Theomi

Have you any suggestions what i can do as a simple man from denmark with no options to travel and such.

Only one suggestion, Theomi, and that is to learn as much as you can, both in how we are all the same in our hearts and minds and also in what ways we have been turned against each other.

As you learn of these things, shasre them with your friends and family, but always in such a way as to allow them to become interested and research for themselves. Old beliefs die hard and forceful debates only produce anger.

Be as understanding to other's viewpoints as you can be. Sowing an acorn is much preferred over planting a grown oak tree.

I agree that stories, myth and spirit all have a role to play in
the future of mankind. Without those we are dead even if
technically still alive. This might be the greatest loss of all
for people who live in the industiralized nations - we have lost
our stories, our myths our connection with spirit. I know many
people who can name this flower and that bird, even tell you
the latin name for it but their knowledge ends there. They feel
they have learned all there is to know on the subject.

That is sad for there is so much more to discover; there
are uses for many plants as food, medicine, utlity items - ways
that they can and perhaps should be a part of our everyday lives.
Even this is still a shallow knowledge. To know nature is to participate
within and become one with it. To draw spiritual connections with
the various entities in nature, it's hard to articulate but there is a
knowledge of the heart that must equal that of the miind. That, in
my opinion, is to be truly integrated. At that point we understand that
the stories and myths are really not folktales but truths spoken in
ways that even small children can understand. Something we all
are these days regardless of age. We live in a world ruled by
children. It is not their fault, nor is it ours. Mankind has collectively
decided that we are smarter than the great spirit and can live in
defiance of his ways. This is what I meant by walking the good red
road, the way the great spirit set before us before we chose to
follow our own selfishness.

All is well. The earth will always heal itself even from the plagues
that mankind afflicts upon it. Walk in beauty and we walk in the world
of the infinite.

By the way Masqua, I wanted to compliment you on your paintings -
they are very rich and alive. i would be very happy with myself to
have accomplished what you have - very beautiful work and I thank
you for sharing it.

Originally posted by Cyberbian

Your evaluation makes no sense to me for one reason. If they came from islands, or anywhere on the face of the earth, how did they know the shape of North America, to call it turtle Island? This can only be seen from space. Of course I am being logical, and not allowing for some mystical explaination, and these are without a doubt not logical but mystical people.

To answer your question many indigenous tribes have a creation myth
where the land was created from the waters on the back of a turtle.
Some animals (often beavers, loons and diving beetles) dove to the
bottom and brought back mud which they placed on the back of
the turtle. This grew and grew and become the land on which the
people live.

[edit on 20-9-2009 by Asktheanimals]

errieeee all this is starting to scare me

reply to post by mommatavino


There's no need to be frightened by this prophecy. It's a warning that leaves us two possibilities:

1) Carry on hating each other and neglecting the forces of nature which become apparent with the destruction of our environment.

or

2) Start working together to build peace worldwide and repair the damage done to the ocean, rivers, lakes and land through neglectful practices.

It's up to us individually to do what we can. No matter what anyone else believes, it's ordinary people who hold the ultimate power for 'change', no matter who uses the term as a political slogan.

Changing the way we do things is not something anyone can do totally or immediately. It needs to be accomplished one thing at a time starting with the simplest, such as not filling our bodies with pharmaceudicals we don't really need (Viagra comes to mind) or even walking three blocks instead of driving right on up to getting involved in your community to stop pesticides and herbicide use on lawns.

There's tons of things we can each do but it has to come from your own views on what may be wrong in the community around you. If you think everything is hunky dory, then all is well, unless, of course, others disagree with you. That's when we need to listen to their concerns and decide for ourselves if they are right or wrong.

I'm not frightened of the future anymore. Whatever happens will happen for the long-term benefit of this planet which we ultimately need to be healthy if we want to continue living here.

You can't eat money.

I'm reposting the sixth and seventh fires of the prophecy because I believe we're well into the time of choosing.

In the confusing times of the Sixth Fire, it is said that a group of visionaries came among the Anishinabe. They gathered all the priests of the Midewiwin Lodge. They told the priests of the Midewiwin Way was in danger of being destroyed. They gathered all the sacred bundles. They gathered all the scrolls that recorded the ceremonies. All these things were placed in a hollowed out log from the Ironwood tree. Men were lowered over a cliff by long ropes. They dug a hole in the cliff and buried the log where no one could find it. Thus the teachings of the Elders were hidden out of sight but not out of memory. It is said that when the time came that the Indian people could practice their religion without fear a line boy would dream where the Ironwood log, full of sacred bundles and scrolls, was buried. He would lead his people to the place.

The seventh prophet that came to the people long ago said to be different from the other prophets. He was young and had a strange light in his eyes. He said,

"In the time of the Seventh Fire New People will emerge. They will retrace their steps to find what was left by the trail. Their steps will take them to the Elders who they will ask to guide them on their journey. But many of the Elders will have fallen asleep. They will awaken to this new time with nothing to offer. Some of the Elders will be silent because no one will ask anything of them. The New People will have to be careful in how they approach the Elders. The task of the New People will not be easy.

"If the New People will remain strong in their quest the Water Drum of the Midewiwin Lodge will again sound its voice. There will be a rebirth of the Anishinabe Nation and a rekindling of old flames. The Sacred Fire will again be lit.

"It is this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire, an eternal fire of peace, love brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with then in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth's people."

www.wabanaki.com...

Related links:

www.7fires.org...
www.chi-manidoo.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

Masqua opened up a can woop azz for this thread. Seen some great ones
from Slayer. This is the best I've seen in my eight months. Heritage.
Honestly Masqua, I have felt shame for my skin color, ever since I read Bury my Heart, at Wounded Knee, when I was in high school. Kevin
Kostner put the iceing on that cake. What the Whites are capable of, in the name of greed, is obviously without measure. The crimes against humanity, the Whites have commited against others is proof we are a race with out conscience. Or even the small amount of intellect it takes to
have a conscience. I like to believe I'm different from most whites.
At least I can say I have a conscience.

Randyvious

[edit on 13-1-2010 by randyvs]

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Just like there's a million shades of skin colour, there's a million shades of greed and, imho, the blame can be spread around the world to all peoples.

No matter what group or country you look at, they've ALL been guilty of it.

What needs to be done is to foster a paradigm shift away from personal gain and into the welfare of humankind as a whole. That's not going to be easy because it's a gut instinct to look out for ourselves first.

Anyways, I think the days for the 'blame-game' are over.

nm

[edit on 23/2/10 by masqua]

nm

[edit on 23/2/10 by masqua]

This article, in the final summation posted below, discusses the coming New World Order as envisioned by bankers and in the interest of their 'benevolent' ways. At risk is global peace through the continued use of war as a generator of profit through interest charges. Banks give money to governments, governments pay their Industrial Military Complex, wars are perpetrated for not much more than the desire to use up old armaments and, in the process, bolster corporatism abroad. By going back to the banks, the cycle repeats itself endlessly. A match made in hell, imo. Now bankers are eyeing the possibility of a Global Banking System and a Global Currency.

On the plate now is a meltdown possibility in US banks, UK banks, and Eurozone banks as the entire global banking system is insolvent. Conceivably a framework for a new transatlantic or even global currency could come out of such a meltdown.

www.marketoracle.co.uk...

We need to design a banking system and credit intermediation system focused on its core and essential functions in the real economy and better able to be a shock absorber rather than itself a source of instability.

www.fsa.gov.uk...

Every loan creates a profit, every war creates the need. Bankers should NOT be trusted to influence governments, but they sure do.

The entire article, linked below, is a lengthy read, but well worth the time and effort if you are so inclined. I hope you do.

The current crisis is not merely a failure of the US housing bubble, that is but a symptom of a much wider and far-reaching problem. The nations of the world are mired in exorbitant debt loads, as the sovereign debt crisis spreads across the globe, entire economies will crumble, and currencies will collapse while the banks consolidate and grow. The result will be to properly implement and construct the apparatus of a global government structure. A central facet of this is the formation of a global central bank and a global currency.



The people of the world have been lulled into a false sense of security and complacency, living under the illusion of an economic recovery. The fact remains: it is only an illusion, and eventually, it will come tumbling down. The people have been conned into handing their governments over to the banks, and the banks have been looting and pillaging the treasuries and wealth of nations, and all the while, and making the people pay for it.



There never was a story of more woe, than that of human kind, and their monied foe.



Truly, the people of the world do need a new world order, but not one determined and constructed by and for those who have created the past failed world orders. It must be a world order directed and determined by the people of the world, not the powerful. But to do this, the people must take back the power.



The way to achieving a stable economy is along the path of peace. War and economic crises play off of one another, and are systematically linked. Imperialism is the driver of this system, and behind it, the banking establishment as the financier.



Peace is the only way forward, in both political and economic realms. Peace is the pre-requisite for social sustainability and for a truly great civilization.



The people of the world must pursue and work for peace and justice on a global scale: economically, politically, socially, scientifically, artistically, and personally. It’s asking a lot, but it’s our only option. We need to have ‘hope’, a word often strewn around with little intent to the point where it has come to represent failed expectations. We need hope in ourselves, in our ability to throw off the shackles that bind us and in our diversity and creativity construct a new world that will benefit all.



No one knows what this world would look like, or how exactly to get there, least of all myself. What we do know is what it doesn’t look like, and what road to steer clear of. The time has come to retake our rightful place as the commanders of our own lives. It must be freedom for all, or freedom for none. This is our world, and we have been given the gift of the human mind and critical thought, which no other living being can rightfully boast; what a shame it would be to waste it.

[...]Andrew Gavin Marshall is a Research Associate with the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG). He is currently studying Political Economy and History at Simon Fraser University.

www.globalresearch.ca...

reply to post by masqua


Thanks for that link. Scanned, will read later.

2nd line, bump.

It is strange I am finding so much info on this site. I will read it all tomorrow. I have seen that belt of the seven fires in a vision.I called it the ticker tape of information I could not decipher. Great plan the Indians had: hide your culture in the ememy in case he wipes us all out.

This is a religion among all the other religions. The most vicious religion of them all is called science, since there the powers that be can change the doctrine as what suits them best at a specific moment.

Other religions (like this flame prophecy) are read only.

Originally posted by above
This is a religion among all the other religions.

Religion can be graded from 'organised' to 'personal' and in between is a vast area which is populated by the thinking of most of humanity. The Seven Fires prophecy stems from indigenous N. American thought, but similar such prophecies are greatly varied throughout all of the South, Central and North American cultures in response to the European influx.

For instance, Mayan,Aztec and Hopi prophecy compared to the Anishinabek will not be exactly similar. This is due to the way oral traditions work in that the information is translated through the use of symbols rather than the written word. The Seven Fires belt, for instance, is quite simple but the message it represents is much more complicated and open to much interpretation.

As are the ME/European biblical texts...

The most vicious religion of them all is called science, since there the powers that be can change the doctrine as what suits them best at a specific moment.

Plato (428/427 BC – 348/347 BC), one of the founders of Christian thought, knew the earth was round, yet a millenium after him, those same Christians believed it was flat and that it was possible to sail off the edge. A millenium later, you'd be hard pressed to find a Christian who doesn't know that the earth is round and this is due to the progress of science.

Science does not change religion, religion changes science (when it suits its purpose). If smoke and mirrors are the stuff of miracles, it's science which uncovers the fears and fallacies.

Other religions (like this flame prophecy) are read only.

I disagree. The Seven Fires Prophecy is hear only, still best delivered to listeners by those who have been trained in traditional storytelling. But, of course, science will dismiss all of it out of hand, so, in a way, science DOES affect religions... all of them. It's the difference we find in the continuing war between objective and subjective truths.

reply to post by masqua


Very interesting, and at a time of USA waters in such deray. The elder's dont' answer because all is in Father's hands now. We will all witness one day! Either way, anyone could have wrote this and in this time. The Bible, however already predicted this. And yes, many dreams do make form from future events. But, unless it is interpretted, it has no meaning or use.

Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by mommatavino

 

There's no need to be frightened by this prophecy. It's a warning that leaves us two possibilities:

1) Carry on hating each other and neglecting the forces of nature which become apparent with the destruction of our environment.

Ahhh! the prophecy of peace...I have news for you mister...there is no peace without Jesus Christ...we as a people have failed and can now only look to Him for a solution. Yet, it is already written. You fail! Only the true Prince of Peace can lead us globally to world unity...and since you left that out of the prophecy, you are no better than a wolf in sheeps clothing.

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He who follows blindly is a fool...

He who follows a passion is foolish...

He who follows his passion but keeps his eyes open is wise...

He who is wise, knows that he is not wise, and also knows that wisdom is never finite or predetermined.


I find it fascinating that almost every one of the bible thumping christians I've encountered on ATS have all the anwsers... to just follow Jesus. When you ask them an educated question they revert back to something in the bible which prevents them from full answering the question. While Jesus may be the protector of the flock, some sheep have to know when not to jump off of a cliff.

That said, There is a lot of good information in the 7 Fires prophecy, merely debunking it because Jesus' name wasnt written as the savior is pure rediculous.

Truth is lain all around the planet, to shine for any who is looking. Are you looking for truth, or are you blindfolded and hoping you are lead the right way?