10,000 Year Old Pyramid Discovered in Bosnia

Bumping this up with a recent news story. Apparently the work continues despite the huffy disdain from the 'expert' community and with the backing of a new president in Bosnia, saying it's all good...for tourism.

www.guardian.co.uk...

The excavations have turned up intriguing finds - ancient, man-made "concrete" blocks of "exceptional quality, better than anything made today", and weighing up to 15 tonnes. Excavations on the "pyramid of the moon" have revealed terraces of sandstone slabs with small channels built in at regular intervals, apparently a primitive drainage system, as well as at least one subterranean chamber with stone-built walls. "Our working hypothesis is that all this is before the end of the last Ice Age," said the adventurer. "We're looking for organic material, wood, charcoal or bones that we can carbon-date. I believe that the world's history is much older than they teach us."

"Pyramidiots", scoff the experts, who are appalled at the leeway granted to Mr Osmanagic to dig up the countryside. A Bosnian university mining and geology department said the pyramids were natural geological formations. Mark Rose of America's Archaeological Institute denounced the Visoko amateurs as charlatans. Professor Anthony Harding of Exeter University, who is president of the European Association of Archaeologists, has been equally scathing. And prominent Bosnian scholars have written to the government demanding that Mr Osmanagic be stopped, saying he is turning Bosnia into a laughing stock.

But in a country nearly wiped off the map by Serbian and Croatian nationalists in the war of the 1990s, Bosnians are flattered to be told that Bosnia might just be the oldest European civilisation of all. "Let them dig and we'll see what they find," Haris Silajdzic, a newly elected president, said. "Besides, it's good for business."

Let them dig

Originally posted by McGuirk
YES!

if this does end up being a pyramid.... oh man this would be huge for mine and others theories on the pyramids being built by or at least assisted to build by alien lifeforms.... i mean this thing would be over 5000 years older than the oldest egyptian pyramid.. we are talking even more primitive people with even less technology than the egyptians!

the question is.... what cause it to be covered in dirt and flora and fauna????????

Your assessment of this alleged structure being older then the Egyptian pyramid structures is debatable as it is acknowledged that the religion of the foremost Egyptologists (Islam) stop them from giving a more accurate date of the pyramids and the sphinx in Egypt. According to the Q,uaran the earth is only a few thousand years old with the world being created around 6,000 BC if I remember correctly the same timeline of those Conservative bible belt Christians for the creation of this planet. Those Egyptologists would likely be executed if they stated a real estimate of the pyramids age and sphinx's age which is more likely at least 10,000BC for the pyramids and according to erosion evidence the sphinx is much older still.

Those Egyptian researchers might as well shoot themselves in the head if they gave an estimated age of the pyramids that was before the earth was created according to the Q,uaran

i see what youre saying
someone should shoot Osmaganic right now as hes claiming the Bosnian pyramid is 10,000 + years old
and he's a moslem
great idea
lets report him to Sharia law

tbh the exact dates of the pyramids and the sphinx is still being debated sicne they are getting controversial and sometimes even incoherent results, trying to date them. they are old but just exactly how old is not conclusive yet.

and yes muslim / egyptian scientist do have a problem trying to do their science. (isn't it ironic they invented the sciences as such? we just broguth it back home with the crusades (amongst others) ) but not all researchers attempting to date them are muslim or even that part of the world.

dating done by other scientists have suggested 10000 years for the pyramids and 11000 - 12000 years for the sphinx. but they are getting nonsensical results intermittently aswell as far as I know.. (no I don't have a source of the top of my head.. im sure it can be googled)

as for the find of the pyramid in bosnia.. sweet

now keep on digging so this thing will prove or disprove itself (you either find a structure/ruin or you don't )

keeping my eye on this, very interesting

pity the area doesn't have a scan in google earth.

[edit on 1-4-2007 by David2012]

[edit on 1-4-2007 by David2012]

Wow, this one has re-started has it? Brought me out from my lurker status.

Originally posted by David2012
as for the find of the pyramid in bosnia.. sweet

It's clearly a hill - apart from it being a bit pointy can you see any reason to think otherwise?

now keep on digging so this thing will prove or disprove itself (you either find a structure/ruin or you don't

)

Don't you think if they were really digging up the biggest man-made pyramid in the workd they might have found it by now? They claim the hill itself is a pyramid, yet whenever they take a sample from it all they find is soil and rocks.

All the "Foundation" has produced so far are crude lies and embarrasing new age clap-trap.

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Wow, this one has re-started has it?

"This one"? Kindly present your credentials, whack job or not.

Brought me out from my lurker status.

Originally posted by David2012
as for the find of the pyramid in bosnia.. sweet

It's clearly a hill - apart from it being a bit pointy can you see any reason to think otherwise?

People of narrow minds and small imagination are left to the drudgery of existence. So the heck what if this guy thinks this is a pyramid???? Just attempting the find is worthy, certainly more worthy than the vindictive sarcasm that is thrown by skeptics such as yourself.

now keep on digging so this thing will prove or disprove itself (you either find a structure/ruin or you don't

)

Classic black and white thinking. It's almost as if you are purposely inciting a response with this statement. Even if you were, it's crude at best in its attempt. Yes, I responded, but the people who post on this board know better than to take to your rubbish.

Don't you think if they were really digging up the biggest man-made pyramid in the workd they might have found it by now? They claim the hill itself is a pyramid, yet whenever they take a sample from it all they find is soil and rocks.

And what if what they find is something between a pyramid and a tomb? What if it is something of an entirely different classification? Why should you care if he is proclaiming it to be a pyramid, a town home or a single-wide trailer? You are hilarious!

All the "Foundation" has produced so far are crude lies and embarrasing new age clap-trap.

I can see it now, Father Cluck Duck. You really told Osmanagic and his crew to put that in his pipe and smoke it. Way to go. Bully I say bully. In the meantime, they are continuing to reveal more evidence that has yet to be fully compiled and analyzed in its entirety. What he is doing is perhaps one of the most enormous of research tasks and you're dismissing it all as "clap trap". Way to go, jerk.

they are continuing to reveal more evidence that has yet to be fully compiled and analyzed in its entirety. What he is doing is perhaps one of the most enormous of research tasks and you're dismissing it all as "clap trap". Way to go, jerk.

actually he is continuing to manufacture new evidence
he has had plenty of time to analyse a pyramid
fact of the matter its a hill
and it takes far more time to fabricate evidence to fool the locals and the sightseers and the gullible than it would to send stuff to be analysed
after all
he isn't fooling anyone else
his lies have been publicised
his books are all claptrap
his team are all paid to silence
his evidence is laughable
his theory is bunkum
his supporters are cranks


he believes aliens from the pleaides accompanied by maya flying in solar powered space craft built this pyramid
or did you miss that ?

Originally posted by newtron25


I can see it now, Father Cluck Duck. You really told Osmanagic and his crew to put that in his pipe and smoke it. Way to go. Bully I say bully. In the meantime, they are continuing to reveal more evidence that has yet to be fully compiled and analyzed in its entirety. What he is doing is perhaps one of the most enormous of research tasks and you're dismissing it all as "clap trap". Way to go, jerk.

I can see why Father Luke Duke said what he did. When the evidence against is this overwhelming then the ignorance must be denied. And when it than painfully obvious then sometimes it merits a "put that in your pipe and smoke it".

On the other hand, the reason they may be having trouble finding stone is because it could have been a mud brick pyramid similar to the one near Nimerud, Iraq. Over the span of several thousand years the pyramid could have become weathered and eroded. Not subscribing, just suggesting.

[edit on 15-4-2007 by kleverone]

Originally posted by Marduk

he isn't fooling anyone else
his lies have been publicised
his books are all claptrap
his team are all paid to silence
his evidence is laughable
his theory is bunkum
his supporters are cranks

he believes aliens from the pleaides accompanied by maya flying in solar powered space craft built this pyramid
or did you miss that ?

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man." (Albert Einstein)

Osmanagic is no Einstein, but neither is he to be dismissed because of his belief of things that either you or I find to be bunkum, claptrap or foolishness. To base your criticism merely on these facts alone regarding this man can only highlight your inability to see what truly is there.

I suppose next you guys are going to tell me Buddhist researchers and Jewish scientists and Islamic inventors can't really have any validity because their belief system doesn't fall squarely onto your place of neatly sliced steak, potatoes and Jesus of Nazareth...no?

science deals in facts
as do researchers no matter what their denomination
Osmaganic deals in fabrications and personal profit
his book "the pyramid of the sun " was released a full 3 months before the excavation had even started
hes had two years at the site and hes turned up nothing but natural rock
just what is your problem with reality on this one ?

are you perhaps a Bosnian nationalist ?
or are you just posting in ignorance
I'm betting here that you haven't read every post in this thread before posting a personal attack against the previous poster
if you had perhaps you might know what you were talking about
as it is.................

You've been to this site yourself?

And of all the others who have posted here on ATS, how many of them have been to this dig?

Fabrication is a hefty thing to hurl. It implies intent to deceive, and with the magnitude of the effort in mind, it boggles anyone's mind, especially the mind of the skeptic, to accept that someone would go through all this trouble only to be ridiculed, excoriated and intellectually denuded later by the facts.

Even someone who has, as you put it, published his findings ahead of time. Even someone who has, as you put it, proven himself to be a loser, an insane-asylum escapee. Even someone who has no validity in the science community.

You must then be calling the entire country of Bosnia insane. The societies of Egyptian Studies that have spent money on airfare, lodging and accomodations to spend time looking at this site. Yes, they too are insane, idiotic and certainly off-the-deep end.

Yup. It's over after all of what everyone has observed SO FAR......................................all because YOU and your piddly little post declare it as nothing better than horse manure.

I give you credit. You've got to be immensely strong to walk around every day, carrying the enormous steel ones you must have to simply take what the crack pots on this board (myself included!!!!!!!!!) as scripture.

Then again, what do you care. Nobody ever reads this stuff anyhow.

I'd rather stick my neck out for the possibility of discovery, the possibility of enlightenment, the chance to open minds to a new way of thought than to shut them down summarily with my self-important, ego-massaging words of puffery that might make me feel as though I have one over on an fool who has poured his life and work into something that may actually bring a whole country, a whole region of Europe out of obscurity.

So, keep telling yourself you've got it right. I'll keep watching the posts and the news and see what the next 2 or 3 metres down into that hill brings.

The superficialities of your statements are as transparent as your intent.

Good day, sir.

from what i know
excavations paused
during the winter period
and soon will be resumed


Perhaps, Bosnian pyramids are an excuse to destoy Bosnia's natural sanctuaries
Bosnian deforestation

Illegal deforestation is stripping the country of a precious natural resource but no one in authority seems keen to do much about it.

In the villages around the central Bosnian town of Kiseljak, nothing once disturbed the belt of thick, inviting forest that for centuries provided sanctuary for birds, bears and countless other wild animals.

But these days, changes are afoot in much of the woods that formerly covered this mountainous land, and few are of a beneficial nature.

Trees gradually disappear and give way to acres of barren land and rock, a sure sign that wood, Bosnia’s greatest natural resource, is being looted.

In one place, IWPR came across a bearded villager who had just finished loading his wood onto a cart. The man waved his hand away, as a sign that he did not wish to discuss what he was up to. But his cart, piled high with massive tree-trunks, said it all.

The clearances around Kiseljak are only one of many examples of illegal deforestation in Bosnia, creating the conditions for a future environmental and ecological crisis.

Ecologist Nijaz Abazdic says uncontrolled exploitation of Bosnia’s natural resources may be responsible for several recent disasters, such as a massive landslide that covered part of the motorway near Kiseljak, or another that changed the course of the river Bosna. “We must stop turning a blind eye to this alarming situation,” he told IWPR.

With forests covering just over 40 per cent of the country, Bosnia comprises the third largest forest reserve in Europe.

Yet the lack of uniform government rules regulating the exploitation of wood, particularly oak, pine and beech, has made the business of looting this precious natural resource painfully easy.

Forestry does not fall under the competence of Bosnia’s weak state government but is managed by the two entities – the Federation and Republika Srpska, RS.

The Federation, in turn, has devolved the issue to each of its ten cantons, which have made the situation yet more complex by turning the matter over to local companies.

Looters take advantage of this bureaucratic muddle. According to Adid Saric, Sarajevo Canton’s minister of economy and forestry, the part of the canton bordering the RS has suffered most damage.

“It is difficult to react because it is unclear which authorities bear responsibility,” Saric told IWPR.

This gives most culprits plenty of time to get away. Moreover, looters are often armed, Saric went on, as well as skilled in their contraband trade.

Looting forests is widespread in the relatively small Sarajevo Canton, where more than 100 charges have been pressed this year.

Pines are commercially among the most important of species used for timber and wood pulp in temperate and tropical regions of the world. This is because they are fast-growing softwoods that can be planted in relatively dense stands, and because their acidic decaying needles may inhibit the growth of other competing plants in the cropping areas. Commercial pine crops are grown in plantations.

Pines also have very depth roots


which is very surprising since these roots need soil not rock to grow

PS: Personally i don't know what to believe
Yes or No


[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[Edit]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]to add:
Visoko is a city in central Bosnia and Herzegovina of rich culture and history. Located between Zenica and Sarajevo. As mentioned before in central Bosnia, illegal tree looting is thriving.


[edit on 15-4-2007 by Dragonlike]

[edit on 15-4-2007 by Dragonlike]

Originally posted by Dragonlike

Pines also have very depth roots


which is very surprising since these roots need soil not rock to grow

As I had mentioned earlier, it would be possible for these pines to grow if these were actually a mud brick pyramid similar to the one found in Nimrud, Iraq. The erosion would also explain the odd shape due to years of erosion.

Originally posted by kleverone

As I had mentioned earlier, it would be possible for these pines to grow if these were actually a mud brick pyramid similar to the one found in Nimrud, Iraq. The erosion would also explain the odd shape due to years of erosion.

Osmaganic isn't saying anything about a mud brick pyramid
he is claiming its a stone pyramid most like those in South America (which has no actual pyramids, they're temples)
he is also claiming that concrete was used in its construction
you believers should read this if you can't be bothered to read the other posts in this thread
www.archaeology.org...
this has been done to death and shouldn't even be in this forum imo

I am certainly not a believer in this case, I was just speculating on possibilities.
I couldn't locate the part about the concrete. Is it in the article you just posted?


[edit on 15-4-2007 by kleverone]

I am certainly not a believer in this case, I was just speculating on possibilities.
I couldn't locate the part about the concrete. Is it in the article you just posted?

not saying youre a believer bud don't worry
you don't appear to be that deluded


the article lays out some of Osmaganics beliefs about history which quite clearly show he doesnt have a clue
try this for the concrete though
www.google.co.uk...


[edit on 15-4-2007 by Marduk]

There it is! Thanks for the link

The man-made pyramid is almost symmetrical perfect.
The so called God-made mountain are worse and far from symmetric. The earth is not perfectly round, nothing made by God is perfect.

The Bosnian pyramid is far from man-made symmetrical structure.

Originally posted by CinLung
The man-made pyramid is almost symmetrical perfect.

Originally posted by CinLung
The so called God-made mountain are worse and far from symmetric.

Originally posted by CinLung
The earth is not perfectly round.

Originally posted by CinLung
nothing made by God is perfect

Originally posted by CinLung
The Bosnian pyramid is far from man-made symmetrical structure.

well that cos its not man made
god did it
he just wasn't paying attention