UFO'S and the fall of NASA, page 1

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:46 AM

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Just a theory but with all the UFO's being seen and shown from NASA missions with what could be shots fired in some and others watching shuttle take offs such as this STS-48

Could UFO's be sabotaging NASA and the space shuttles and the spacestation....with todays technology could it really be that foam will no longer stick on these shuttles,did NASA lose the space foam recipe or is it something a little more difficult to fix. With advances in some other Countries space programs one could possibly argue that the US has outstayed their welcome or that other Countries have sweetened the deal with the Aliens for some advanced knowledge of their own.I bet in countries with more chins than a chinese phonebook the human hosting goes completely unnoticed...Holy chow maybe China.

I dont take for granted that this shuttle system is far past its prime and maybe thats an understatement.....with explosions in technology like weve never seen before,should it be getting this much more difficult getting to space....Will a Country and Company that triumphantly and yet illegedly put man on the Moon in 1969 crumble in 2005 because its foam lost it's sticky.

sturod84

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 06:39 AM

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from what i have learned nasa hosts a number of far more advanced space missions then the front of the publics view. with a little help from the shadow government, they could very well have multitudes of advanced space craft and satelites. though i must admit this is mostly speculation on my part. one thing is for certain NASA and the military are coming very neatly coinsided thanks to the new space weapons projects.

as for the sts-48 footage looks like a simple et commuter who just happened to be in the vacinity as the rocket boosters from the ship were going off, an optical illusion of sorts.

securing space from et's is like trying to outswim a dolphin, aint happening. space is their billion year old community as we take our first baby steps out into the reaches of the solar system they zip around galaxies to no bounds.

the disclosure project projects an anti armament of space theory which proclaims all the weaponization of space will be adimantly undermined by the et's. the efforts will be for nought. our government says we need to protect from space mines and create sufficient defenses for our satelites.

without an official standing from the et's its hard to judge their take on the subject.

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jimstradamus

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 07:13 AM

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So if NASA has secret space planes and new space weapons but cant publicly go to space is it feasable to assume that NASA maybe not putting as much sticky on the foam as they used to on purpose ?

Denied

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 07:37 AM

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UFO's being seen and shown from NASA missions with what could be shots fired in some

That part intrigued me the most, any opinions on why we are shooting at them.?
What are we shooting at them with?
Obviously i dont know the full story, but it seems very hostile to be firing on them.
Some suggest, to bring it down, for research reasons..

Any idea's????

kedfr

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by sturod84
from what i have learned nasa hosts a number of far more advanced space missions then the front of the publics view. with a little help from the shadow government, they could very well have multitudes of advanced space craft and satelites. though i must admit this is mostly speculation on my part. one thing is for certain NASA and the military are coming very neatly coinsided thanks to the new space weapons projects.

What other 'advanced' space missions does NASA conduct? What evidence is there for this? I've not heard about this.

sturod84

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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i read about it on a UFO website, forgot which one...

that they use a large portion of their funding to enhance the R&D aspects of our backwardsly engineered anti gravity crafts. they might even be at the point where they are actually docking with ET's SUPERCRAFTS.

kedfr

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by sturod84
i read about it on a UFO website, forgot which one...

that they use a large portion of their funding to enhance the R&D aspects of our backwardsly engineered anti gravity crafts. they might even be at the point where they are actually docking with ET's SUPERCRAFTS.

A link would be very useful at the very least. Otherwise, I am forced to throw your posts into the metaphorical rubbish bin. This is potentially intriguing but you need to have evidence to back up your comments. Also a 'UFO website' isn't neccessarily the most reliable of sources, unless they are scrupulous with their research and documentation...

iamian

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 08:54 AM
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If you believe in the existence of alien civilisations, or that we have infact made contact with them, surly your view would be that Nasa is just a smoke screen and a fund raising mechanism, for the black projects,
and just imagine if the alien/human alliance is really true, and Russia and America, did make some sort of deal to keep quiet, would'nt the fact that now China is joining the party, be causing a lot of ramblings from the powers at be,

Would China tell us the truth?

kedfr

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by iamian
If you believe in the existence of alien civilisations, or that we have infact made contact with them, surly your view would be that Nasa is just a smoke screen and a fund raising mechanism, for the black projects,
and just imagine if the alien/human alliance is really true, and Russia and America, did make some sort of deal to keep quiet, would'nt the fact that now China is joining the party, be causing a lot of ramblings from the powers at be,

Would China tell us the truth?

I like to keep an open mind on the topic. I think it is very possible that there are alien civilisations and the US may well have made contact but most the 'evidence' on this matter is not very convincing. However, this is a topic that genuinely intrigues me and am prepared to look at evidence not merely of the existence of UFOs but of a conspiracy between governments and the aliens. The latter seems to border on the threshold of the NWO & the Illuminati - concepts which I am even less convinced by.

As for China telling the truth, I very much doubt it. China has a rather unpleasant regime endorsing torture, political repression and the exploitation of workers for economic gain. Why do you think that it would tell the truth about anything?

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sturod84

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 09:39 AM
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it could be because of chinas somewhat oppresive nature that they have an even tighter lid on the black budget operations that coincide with et activity. it could also be that way with all other powerful technologically associable nations, in that they put on military fronts for sectors that are really underground and are readily engaged in the workings of et's designs and affairs. supposedly the et's have tunnels spanning the entire circumfrence of our globe, i have seen them dock they were going somehwere under gruond. cuz they certainly werent docking on the top soil, thats just unheard of!

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jimstradamus

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 10:33 AM
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Space is the next high ground. The Chinese understand that and we forget that at our peril," said Dean Cheng, Research Analyst with Project Asia at The CNA Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Cheng said that China's space skills that premiered in the 1970s shouldn't be looked on as mirroring early Russian and American efforts. "There's a different force behind it," he said.

nullster

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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So when we get Space Tourism in the next 10 years, whats going to happen?
I imagine very few people here are even aware of the Ansari X Prize and who won it last year.
Who is Burt Rutan?
Who is Paul Allen
What is Virgin Galactic?

I know that a very high percentage of conspiracy theorists ignore aerospace news and related technology and sciences. Boeing and other aerospace concerns are long in the tooth when it comes to space. NASA and its related agencies are under fire and face some tough roads ahead. The truth is the future of space flight will come more from private held companies than big government concerns.

If there is something alien out there in the quantities people persist on believing there are. The public will see them in our (your) life time.
Then what?

jimstradamus

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 01:45 AM
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Well im not exactly sure how they work that in America,do the taxpayers not pay a big % to NASA.Is it not infuriating to spend your money to have the plug pulled when anything substancial takes place,If there are Galactic decisions being made do you not deserve to know who's deciding for you.NASA wants to spend a fortune to go to the Moon again but you have no right to know what vehicle they will get there in.

Private aerospace is the only solution.I think if NASA doesnt move fast they will not exist.

It seems to me that China's space program has made some giant leaps in many areas so if you believe in aliens its not that far fetched that they are dealing from both sides of the deck.Maybe the States folded and are trying to shoot down whatever they can.There could be plenty of reasons why the aliens arent yet firing back.

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kedfr

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by nullster
So when we get Space Tourism in the next 10 years, whats going to happen?
I imagine very few people here are even aware of the Ansari X Prize and who won it last year.
Who is Burt Rutan?
Who is Paul Allen
What is Virgin Galactic?

I know that a very high percentage of conspiracy theorists ignore aerospace news and related technology and sciences. Boeing and other aerospace concerns are long in the tooth when it comes to space. NASA and its related agencies are under fire and face some tough roads ahead. The truth is the future of space flight will come more from private held companies than big government concerns.

If there is something alien out there in the quantities people persist on believing there are. The public will see them in our (your) life time.
Then what?

This was actually fairly well publicised in the media last year.

Paul Allen is a founding member of Microsoft. I believe he is in the top 5 richest people in the world.

Virgin Galatic is an arm of Richard Branson's 'Virgin' group. He has expressed an interest in space tourism and wants his company to be involved. They are licensed to have space tourism flights in the next 2-3 years.

Burt Rutan is an aircraft designer and designed SpaceShipOne - the winning entry in this contest.

Personally, I can't see pricate companies having the financial resources - even if they are backed by the likes of Paul Allen - to 'compete' with governmental organisations like NASA.

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Plazma

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 03:46 AM
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I believe that NASA's main problem has always been funding - they simply do not have enough money to spend. It seems for many years the management mantra has been to "do more with less". Such an attitude may work in the business world where making a profit is the primary goal, however in research and development for a fledgling space industry, it will only result in comparative mediocrity. I have no doubt the people at NASA have the expertise and innovation to do amazing things, however they are doing so within budgetary constraints that from the outset curtail what they are capable of.

Reptilian_Queen

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 04:23 AM
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Jimbo, it's called utter NASA incompetence. UFOs have nothing to do with it.

jimstradamus

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by Reptilian_Queen
UFOs have nothing to do with it.

With a handle like Reptilian Queen i cant see you thinking its so far off base that aliens would go to different countries depending on the task they have to accomplish...lets just say that if the aliens thought America has been a solo superpower for to long and needed some competition that they would give another very powerful country a boost in the space dept.

Possibly the aliens have a task that the Americans refused to do and ill bet that China would jump at any chance to stick it to the US and all the Aliens have to do is sabotage NASA to make sure China gets the task done.

lost_shaman

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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I don't think UFOs have anything to do with NASA and NASA's foam problem.

The Foam has always came off and caused minor damage , it just never had caused enough damage to bring down a Shuttle.

Once you loose 25% of your Fleet to a problem its time to fix the problem, right?

jimstradamus

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 06:43 AM
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Well this foam problem to me just seems so silly that i had to mention it, but if you think about it... we've gone from a foam problem that causes minimal damage to a foam problem that blows up space shuttles.Talk about your giant leaps.Combine that with all the NASA UFO footage and im having a hard time knowing wether i can actually force myself to believe the official story that foam is whats responsible.

lost_shaman

posted on Oct, 25 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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jimstradamus,

I think that the foam was always coming off from the first flight on. But these were small pieces that were causing tile damage on the underside of the shuttle.

What brought down the Shuttle Columbia , was a piece of foam the size of a suitcase that impacted the leading edge reinforced carbon panels . These are not structurally reinforced and the foam had never struck these before. This one piece did and created a large hole that let in Plasma and basically melted the Left Wing off.

NASA does have video of the foam impact , but at the time nothing like this had ever happened and at the angle of the video it was not possible for NASA to see the damage that it caused, although they were concerned about this impact.

When you consider that the Shuttles are made mostly from aluminum , you can see that any plasmas or super hot gases are going to cause major problems.