Grey Fox The Most secret Unit in the world?

Could it be just a code name for a task force?

BTW, are you sure it is not B613?

Gregyfox, I won't comment on that but there is more secretive units operating in places you didn't even know we are at war with.

Its a waste chasing down info because its always murky and worthless.

They are assasin, not assasins, support, not support. Teams like this do whatever is needed which can literally be anything and everything.

Complete secret and secure communication due to the simple fact that we cannot handle the truth.

Any of you know who the "Virginia Boys" are...?

I literally just read this whole thread and am now laughing. The amount of you that "know for sure" this information is just, hilarious.

If you are guessing, educated or not, state that it is a guess. You won't sound like as much of a moron that way.

Not trying get off subject at all, but remember you are THEORISTS, not experts. You are not in the how or the know. If you open your mind a bit and do some investigative work you may even get somewhere.

Maybe even talk to some people in the know for some info....

a reply to: DeltaNine

WolfsHead
Grey Fox
FireFox

Brits? Brits?

LoL Opsec = you no + words

LoL You no % but hey that's just opsec no +er that's opsec. LoL.

Yale College Wolfs Head Fraternity has time travel communication links w/ firefox, grey fox and various other, Wolfs head has plans to death Scroll & Key members who listen, see the words of logical thinkers and agree with them.

Wolfs Head has a military Program @ at yale university to train(school) innocence

Wolfs Head Courses
Myai Thai
Brizillian Ju Jitzu
Death % inside and outside body
Canabilisim, +ing food to innocence wishing that their targets death innocence =ing united states court system prosicuting

+ing "Go death ___" "___ no + death 100% ___ past" + +ing gps location and addresses of innocence = innocence no +ing Wolfs heads agenda

CM PUNK=Hitler=George H Bush= Dillin Devlin.

LOL Dillion you all -d the reservse.

Fine I'll route and outgoing Portal to return the reserves to the antartic.

More proof that chyanne mountian are complete and total idiots and no the grand designers. Hitler in the 50's traveled to the antartic and inside 2015 -d the snow reserves all for himself leaving a world military base open to attacks.

Dillin Devlin, Hitler are in breech of their contracts, commence torture immediatly.

"Portal Opened torture shield active. Dillin=Hitler=CM Punk will no be -ing #, he is tortured, lol he is stupid snow on innocence shoe =s innocence no inside his house and innocence no the 1 -ing snow snow - innocence or something."

a reply to: cassini

Grey Fox are a specialised military unit, specialising (among other things) in infiltration, locate and snatch, and 'hits'.

They are SO secretive, you could be one of them and never know, as they use mind control and trigger words to both train and activate their ranks...if you've had military service and you were of note, you are or have been at one time a Grey Fox agent and never knew it.

(joke)

it actually amazes me that after 12 years this thread keeps going for some reason. The variation in responses is really quite astonishing. 12 Years later I have no more idea than I originally did but then I don`t think i was expecting anyone to reply with an answer I could trust. Peoples banter on who has the best special forces/army is a wonderful highlight in reveling in the relative abilities of different countries ability to kill...

Thanks for all the input and "insight" its a wonderfully clueless meandering thread.

originally posted by: browha
Personally, I still love how the American's TOP units still rely on the good old british for help...
No one will ever surpass the SAS and SBS as the world's elite.
From what I have read (Not verified), but the Delta Force selection process is the equivilant of the british army training scheme....
As well as that, the recent 'stress-card' scheme in the US military is a JOKE. Dont know if hyou know about it, but they get to hold up a card when they feel they are being drilled too intensely, or the training is too physical for them... Without punishment.

The American Special Forces is, frankly, a joke. During Aghanistan, the british Royal Marines were called in to replace climatized US forces atop of the highest mountains in Afganistan, on the simple basis that the US were not up to the job (The british forces hadnt acclimatized, etc).

I cant wait till the friendly fire statistics are published, or like the story of the American A10 during the first gulf war, 'It was a british tank with a british flag but we thought it was an Iraqi tank trying to decieve us'.

FYI, something like 30 tanks were lost in the First Gulf War, 20-25 of them 'friendly' fire..

Brilliant, fighting with these Yanks, isnt it?

They didnt help us in the Falklands, I dont see why we help them here.

clearly never worked alongside any of them. I have. And you're talking bollocks.

They were created after the failed attempt to rescue the hostages held in Iran at the start of the 80s. They're hand picked from all the other agencies and from special forces.

a reply to: cassini
ve seen some articles that reference to it without coming right out and saying what/who it is
The most secret unit is the one you've never heard of, and never will. Otherwise, its not much of a secret, now is it?

originally posted by: 5leepingWarrior
a reply to: cassini
ve seen some articles that reference to it without coming right out and saying what/who it is
The most secret unit is the one you've never heard of, and never will. Otherwise, its not much of a secret, now is it?

ETA: Point of interest (to me, at least): the Grey Fox is the leader of the Thieves Guild in The Elder Scrolls:Oblivion and h has a cowl that acts upon peoples minds as a alternate identity- he could be standing in front of a large group of people and don/remove his cowl, and to the onlookers it will appear as if the one vanished and the other appeared, and never draw the line connecting the two. Hmm... What do you know that we don't, Bethesda? Wonder what the 'cowl' is...

First of all, The Command: Deep Inside The Pentagon's Secret Army is a good reference for JSOC in general and the ISA in particular. The Activity is a comic book about a fictional (obviously) direct action cell within the ISA.

Second, some facts about the ISA. They started as a temporary task force in the run up to Operation Eagle Claw to gather intel for Delta/CAG/ACE/whatever on key principles and weaknesses in the American embassy in Tehran for the assault. This included both ELINT and HUMINT, because the military didn't trust the CIA's very weak assets on the ground.

One of the more amusing anecdotes that's made the public record is that during the the hunt for Pablo Escobar the ISA got tired of the CIA and FBI's pissing matches with them and challenged them to a duel of sorts; each ELINT unit had to triangulate the position of a known compromised communication device to the nearest distance and the winner got to stay, everybody else had to go. The CIA and FBI lost. Badly.

Somewhere along the line the ISA picked up a direct action directorate to go with the ELINT and HUMINT directorates. It's a very small element and supposedly trained by Delta. From there the concept of intelligence fusion cells and sensitive site exploitation was born, which has since been promulgated down to the big army, thanks to some names you probably know but wouldn't suspect of being former officers in the unit.

Third, if you've heard a name associated with the unit, it's long since been out of use. The unit changes Special Access Program names yearly (Grey Fox was an SAP name) and unit names every two years. Much like with any JSOC unit, there isn't a permanent name. Power Geyser, to use an example, has been mentioned once by a newspaper and it was revealed that they're focused on counter-NBC operations, but that doesn't really tell you a whole lot. Remember the axiom of the tip of the iceberg.

Fourth, for the guys wanking over the SAS, I recommend you read Task Force Black, which was written by a Brit author and reveals just how competent the unit is(n't). From the lack of good equipment that caused a couple unnecessary accidents to the inability to keep up with American operational tempo, the SAS' reputation is frankly overstated. The reason they operated with JSOC in Iraq is their size. That and SEAL Team 6 was busy in Afghanistan. JTF2, Grom, Danish Jaegers, and Australian SASR (among others) are held in much higher regard by American commanders.

originally posted by: Fyrwulf
First of all, The Command: Deep Inside The Pentagon's Secret Army is a good reference for JSOC in general and the ISA in particular. The Activity is a comic book about a fictional (obviously) direct action cell within the ISA.

Second, some facts about the ISA. They started as a temporary task force in the run up to Operation Eagle Claw to gather intel for Delta/CAG/ACE/whatever on key principles and weaknesses in the American embassy in Tehran for the assault. This included both ELINT and HUMINT, because the military didn't trust the CIA's very weak assets on the ground.

One of the more amusing anecdotes that's made the public record is that during the the hunt for Pablo Escobar the ISA got tired of the CIA and FBI's pissing matches with them and challenged them to a duel of sorts; each ELINT unit had to triangulate the position of a known compromised communication device to the nearest distance and the winner got to stay, everybody else had to go. The CIA and FBI lost. Badly.

Somewhere along the line the ISA picked up a direct action directorate to go with the ELINT and HUMINT directorates. It's a very small element and supposedly trained by Delta. From there the concept of intelligence fusion cells and sensitive site exploitation was born, which has since been promulgated down to the big army, thanks to some names you probably know but wouldn't suspect of being former officers in the unit.

Third, if you've heard a name associated with the unit, it's long since been out of use. The unit changes Special Access Program names yearly (Grey Fox was an SAP name) and unit names every two years. Much like with any JSOC unit, there isn't a permanent name. Power Geyser, to use an example, has been mentioned once by a newspaper and it was revealed that they're focused on counter-NBC operations, but that doesn't really tell you a whole lot. Remember the axiom of the tip of the iceberg.

Fourth, for the guys wanking over the SAS, I recommend you read Task Force Black, which was written by a Brit author and reveals just how competent the unit is(n't). From the lack of good equipment that caused a couple unnecessary accidents to the inability to keep up with American operational tempo, the SAS' reputation is frankly overstated. The reason they operated with JSOC in Iraq is their size. That and SEAL Team 6 was busy in Afghanistan. JTF2, Grom, Danish Jaegers, and Australian SASR (among others) are held in much higher regard by American commanders.

Have you ever worked with any of UKSF? If not, don't call them incompetent because you read a book. There are much worse things can be said for the American military from top to bottom not just your special forces. These things are normally spoken by men who don't know what they are talking about and have little to no experience working with us forces. I believe the term is 'armchair warrior'

If you could give me some examples of incompetence that would be appreciated. And I don't mean things you have read in a book. Then I'll give you a few in return and we'll see who has the longest list at the end of it.

originally posted by: sg1642
Have you ever worked with any of UKSF? If not, don't call them incompetent because you read a book. There are much worse things can be said for the American military from top to bottom not just your special forces. These things are normally spoken by men who don't know what they are talking about and have little to no experience working with us forces. I believe the term is 'armchair warrior'

If you could give me some examples of incompetence that would be appreciated. And I don't mean things you have read in a book. Then I'll give you a few in return and we'll see who has the longest list at the end of it.

One, if I did have experience working with them or knowledge of their activities outside of what is available in the public domain, such things would be classified and not for discussion on a public forum. Two, even were I inclined to discuss such things, which I'm not, they'd be unsourced and unverifiable statements. Three, I didn't say they were incompetent, I said they're not the be all and end all of special operations units that some in this thread have claimed them to be.

originally posted by: cassini
heres an excerpt from one of the articles I saw them mentioned in

"The army created a highly compartmentalized organization that could collect clandestine intelligence independent of the rest of the US intelligence community, and follow through with covert military action. Today, it operates under the code name Grey Fox."

It sounds intriguing and I`d love to find out more but given its high secretiveness I`m not if its gonna be possible.

Wonder if this is the same group that went by the name "the activity" for a while. Change their name up every year or two. From what I have been told not even the president can access the identities of the members of the activity.

Who knows. Neat.

originally posted by: Fyrwulf

originally posted by: sg1642
Have you ever worked with any of UKSF? If not, don't call them incompetent because you read a book. There are much worse things can be said for the American military from top to bottom not just your special forces. These things are normally spoken by men who don't know what they are talking about and have little to no experience working with us forces. I believe the term is 'armchair warrior'

If you could give me some examples of incompetence that would be appreciated. And I don't mean things you have read in a book. Then I'll give you a few in return and we'll see who has the longest list at the end of it.

One, if I did have experience working with them or knowledge of their activities outside of what is available in the public domain, such things would be classified and not for discussion on a public forum. Two, even were I inclined to discuss such things, which I'm not, they'd be unsourced and unverifiable statements. Three, I didn't say they were incompetent, I said they're not the be all and end all of special operations units that some in this thread have claimed them to be.

Well I'm not going to argue with that. There is too much criticism on both sides of the pond about the abilities of our respective armed forces. And a lot of it comes from people who don't have first hand experience. It seemed in your comments that you were trying to describe certain forces as such. It is insulting to men on both sides who have spilt sweat and blood and lost friends. The true blunders and incompetence lays at the feet of the politicians and leaders (civilian and military). Your average Joe on the ground does a good job and preforms to the best of his ability. There was a lot of criticism at the time of the SBS and it got everyone a bad name. The fact of the matter is a lot of the criticism was based on bollocks and regimental rivalry.

Grey Fox, reminds me of Metal gear solid as well, that being said

I believe a huge influence into some of these video games has a direct association with real world developments

That friends always talk, even strangers


That friends of families affiliated with games from military branches isnt so far off...

We've heard the same with novel books, and writers who had help filling holes in plots,

OR, even real stories heard from known people, being put into some form of media



Gray fox probably doesn't exist, if it does, it isn't called gray fox... or has any official title

Maybe FOX does have something to do with them, as in FOX 13...

Wouldn't doubt it if the richest of the richest, have their own Military powers, and the capabilities to select some of the best from the best, but then again their all tied together