Summoning Demons

Originally posted by shihulud

Demons are NON EXISTANT, figments of imaginations over the ages.

Your imagination is a real thing.

Have you ever awakened from a bad dream and your heart is pounding? That's your imagination having a real effect on your body.

Think of a teenage boy who is asking a girl out the first time. He is nervous and imagines how he would do it over and over until he brings up his confidence level. again real effects from the imagination.

The Son of Sam imagined that he heard his neighbors dog telling him to kill. His imagination had a real effect on his victims.

So you are correct demons are figments of your imagination, but they can still effect the "real world"

Originally posted by kittensrock
is there a book i could read that talks about demons? and if so please tell me.

www.hermetic.com...

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by shihulud

Demons are NON EXISTANT, figments of imaginations over the ages.

Your imagination is a real thing.

Have you ever awakened from a bad dream and your heart is pounding? That's your imagination having a real effect on your body.

Think of a teenage boy who is asking a girl out the first time. He is nervous and imagines how he would do it over and over until he brings up his confidence level. again real effects from the imagination.

The Son of Sam imagined that he heard his neighbors dog telling him to kill. His imagination had a real effect on his victims.

So you are correct demons are figments of your imagination, but they can still effect the "real world"

Originally posted by kittensrock
is there a book i could read that talks about demons? and if so please tell me.

www.hermetic.com...

Ahh but its not the 'demons' that are affecting the world but your imagination - So really you are affecting yourself into believing that certain entities exist when obviously they are your own creation.


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Originally posted by shihulud
Ahh but its not the 'demons' that are affecting the world but your imagination - So really you are affecting yourself into believing that certain entities exist when obviously they are your own creation.


G

This is a possibility.

interestingly some thinkers speculate that there is a link between imagination (thought) and other dimensional frequencies.

Originally posted by Selmer2

Originally posted by shihulud
Ahh but its not the 'demons' that are affecting the world but your imagination - So really you are affecting yourself into believing that certain entities exist when obviously they are your own creation.


G

This is a possibility.

interestingly some thinkers speculate that there is a link between imagination (thought) and other dimensions (outside our frequency spectrum)

Originally posted by shihulud

Ahh but its not the 'demons' that are affecting the world but your imagination - So really you are affecting yourself into believing that certain entities exist when obviously they are your own creation.

Almost but not quite. Your belief in the demon your evoking plays no part in it.

You pick the demon that does what you want. Their seal will trigger parts of your mind/unconscious that have to do with the desired outcome, Their description does the same. The incense you use will trigger parts of your mind via smell, and on and on.

If you know any Jung, it's sorta like using the collective unconscious to trigger synchronicity. (Well kindasorta )

[edit on 3/8/2007 by Cug]

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by shihulud

Ahh but its not the 'demons' that are affecting the world but your imagination - So really you are affecting yourself into believing that certain entities exist when obviously they are your own creation.

Almost but not quite. Your belief in the demon your evoking plays no part in it.

You pick the demon that does what you want. Their seal will trigger parts of your mind/unconscious that have to do with the desired outcome, Their description does the same. The incense you use will trigger parts of your mind via smell, and on and on.

If you know any Jung, it's sorta like using the collective unconscious to trigger synchronicity. (Well kindasorta

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[edit on 3/8/2007 by Cug]

An interesting take on it - but then again the same result could be achieved without the need for a demon seal as it is your unconscious that triggers the outcome and not some mythical being. So all this really proves is that real life demons are non existant does it not???


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Originally posted by shihulud
An interesting take on it - but then again the same result could be achieved without the need for a demon seal as it is your unconscious that triggers the outcome and not some mythical being.

Do you know what parts of your mind you need to stimulate in order to find something lost? I sure don't, but I know if I evoke Vassago it will get the job done.

So all this really proves is that real life demons are non existant does it not???

No demons are real, it's most peoples definition of demons that is wrong. If you think about it using the word demon is a kind of safety mechanism, it scares people and keeps them from trying it.

Magick is a lot like an advanced form of psychotherapy combined with mysticism shrouded in archaic terms. If you are untrained it could really mess you up. There are some oogee boogee things that bring results that I just can't explain, but I've long ago stopped worrying about it.

I think you should probably do some studying and learn about what you are doing BEFORE you go and jump blindly into it. There are many resources on the internet, and true, there is alot of useless info. But learn ALL you can about the subject, whether you feel its usless or not.
You are wanting to do something very dangerous and you OBVIOUSLY dont even understand what you're getting into.

[edit on 26-4-2007 by wiscwiccan]

In my foolish youth I used to study in and dabble with the occult, demonology, and necromancy. I knew a ritual for summoning/communing with the dead, as well as other dark rites.

I'd recommend not trying to summon a demon. If you still ignore the advice of everyone here, I'd recommend standing within a triangle, pentacle, and circle, and wear some blessed artifact for protection.

Beware,

-Z

[edit on 27-4-2007 by Zhenyghi]

This kid pisses me off if he wants to play with fire, ill suply the match and laugh when he burns.

There are several different ways to summon demons, ive dabbled in about 3 of them:

1)Sleep Invokation/Evokation:
draw the sigil of the demon you desire posseshion from, place either blue, red or black candels (white have been known to work) are yourself/your victim, and reapeat any summoning rituals, use the sound of your own voice while in a calm atmosphere to induce self-hypnosis/sleep with a victim have them asleep before hand.
This can lead to some rather scary results; when I was younger a few of my friends atempted a normal demon summoning and when I gave the command for "all present spirits" to give us a sign we heard two loud thuds and one of my friends 13 year old sister was stood out side the door with her eyes closed in her pj's talking a load of crap (she wasnt know to sleep walk) and proceded to go back upstairs to bed only when the candels where blown out, she was scared when we woke her up and didn't remember a thing (note: this was done at night using the goetic demon: Amon).

2)Demon Summoning:
Have the sigil of your requested demon placed on the floor surrounded by black, blue, red or white candels have an incense stick burning and be in the dark with nothing but the candel light, focus on the sigil and chant a summoning ritual (note: a mirror can be used to project strang images at times).
Again in my youth (with the same set of friends as mentioned above) we tried this with some rather scary results similar to Ouija boards:
candel flames would rise upon the last word of the summoning rite and spin in a full 360, shadows on the wall would apear disfigured and move,
objects ould move on there own accord, mirrors and glass showed strange images, insence which at first would be a dormant line of smoke would suddenly rise a float mid-air on the last word of the rite, feelings of energy during the ritual and tierdness afterwards, feeling the touch of an invisable entity.

3)Demon Summonings (the safe vershion)dirived from a Jewish/Hebrew ritual)
Draw out a circle with a pentagram/star of david within the center draw the sigil of the requested demon within the center of the star, write the demons name around the inside of the circle enough times to cover the inner rim with its name, place the candels around the outside of the circle at the points of the star, place incense (along with the candel) at the bottom point (pentagram) or top point (star of david), place a mirror/crystal ball in the center and preform a summoning ritual; prefrably (when using the star of david) one that forces the demon to appear by using the word Jahova.
When we tried this I made a mistake in the prononciation of the word "Jahova" and 3 of the candels fell over and set fire the the card board we used for the above symbols which started a small fire, some of my more sensible friends saw this as a warning and we voted 5/7 to never attempt the ritual again.

Semi-agreeing with Cug but I sugest that when you summon a demon (in a group anyway) you kind of get into a trance (like the hatti warriors who dance an believe themselves possesed alowing them to turn there swords on there own hearts with no pain or blood) and that trance allows the freedom of thoughts and belief to create effects like hellucinating visualisations or feelings, and even (if you belive in psychic power) alowing objects to move (seemingly on there own accord) or creating a full thought form, like when me and my old school friends used to mess with this stuff I would always convince them before hand that a demon is not a violent evil creature but rather this interpritation comes from the church, and therefore in my own security I could evoke something that I knew would be safe.

vysage, I hope you don't mind but I'm gona use you as an example why one should not "dabble" in this stuff.

In all three examples you did not do one very basic thing. You do not in/evoke a demon into your circle! The circle is your protection.

Next thing I'd like to comment on is where did you get those rituals? In the first one you mention the Goetia.. Why did you not follow the instructions in the book?

I don't mind at all cug, this was when I was very young like 14 years old and yes it was complete dabbaling, back then the rituals of goetia seemed so complex and impossible so we improvised, (you might also note that we didn't do banishing rituals before hand) we asumed that (rather wrongly of course) if you evoke a demon from its sigil and its sigil is in the center of the circle it would be evoked into said circle, the third ritual is a ver very basic and very improvised kabahal-own knowlage hybrid type ritual and proved the most dangourus of the 3 which lead to us not doing these rituals for another 5 or so years when we did do it one more time in much more controlled circumstances. But as I said at the beging of my post ill supply matches I didn't say they where saftey matches .
And hey at least we where sensible enough at the time to know when dabbaling was going to get us hurt and quit .
You might also note that I said use "a" summoning ritual implying that if you wan't it in a circle find one that evokes it into a circle but then I thought the idea of this post was the kid wants to be demon bait.

[edit on 12-5-2007 by vysage]

[edit on 12-5-2007 by vysage]

I would by no means attempt the ceremony given to you in the thread. For one it uses a circle as a place to summon the demon which is fine for an angel but demons hate circles. It states that the circle is not to imprison the demon when in reality that is exactly what circles do. They keep the spirit from going out of control. This however is an incredible insult to any demon and is not advised unless you want them torturing you or driving you to suicide. Conversing with and being inhabited by a demon can be a pleasant experience if done with respect. Never "banish" a demon never use a right of dismisal. These things are also highly offensive and will cause the demon to become angry. Never threaten or try to control or manipulate a demon. Demons are not necessarily malevolent and are kind to humans unless provoked or offended. When offended you can be sure they will come back with much more fury than a woman scorned. They will try to hurt you or take your life. I am not advising against you doing the ritual, I am however advising you against thinking yourself powerfull enough to control a demon. YOU ARE NOT!!!!! Be courteous and polite during your ceremony and everything should go well. You may even be able to convince the demon to enlist one of his many demon underlings to assist you for a period of time. Have fun and be polite, IT IS NOT A GAME! But your experience should go well. As far as Solomons ring goes, you never want to use something like that. That is a despicable way to summon a demon. In the lesser key of Solomon a demon declared Solomons tearany was at an end he then died.

I had an encounter with a demond before, and it was not pleasant. I could feel it's presence growing stronger and stronger around me very quickly. Also at the time I was athiest. But when I realized this was a demond, I gained back my faith in god and told the demond just that. Then it vanished and everything went back to normal.

I strongly advise you to NOT do this, it will turn out into a endless nightmare.

Originally posted by wildcat
I had an encounter with a demond before, and it was not pleasant. I could feel it's presence growing stronger and stronger around me very quickly. Also at the time I was athiest. But when I realized this was a demond, I gained back my faith in god and told the demond just that. Then it vanished and everything went back to normal.

I strongly advise you to NOT do this, it will turn out into a endless nightmare.

Ok this story smacks to the high heavens of pure unadulterated BS - typical religious rubbish.
Firstly how did you know it was a 'demon'?
And are you saying that because you were an atheist the demon was getting stronger but as soon as you had turned to the dark side and said you were a god fearer that the demon thought to itself ' Oh no, their not an atheist anymore, I had better leave them alone with their thoughts of god'?
1 second your an atheist with a demon pawing at your back and then the next it's left you alone because you tell it your one of gods monkeys. Does this sound reasonable to you??

And you wonder why religionites get laughed at

And just so you know THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS DEMONS

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Originally posted by shihulud

And just so you know THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS DEMONS

Sure there are.

However they are not some hairy entity that wants to eat your face. They are parts of the human subconscious.

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by shihulud

And just so you know THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS DEMONS

Sure there are.

However they are not some hairy entity that wants to eat your face. They are parts of the human subconscious.

I know of the demons that which you speak - we've had this conversation before. The demons of my above quote were not of the inner mind kind.

G

Originally posted by shihulud
I know of the demons that which you speak - we've had this conversation before. The demons of my above quote were not of the inner mind kind.

So we did. (on this page even DOH!)

But the demons of the mind are the only demons there are. Look at the post you quoted. "I could feel it's presence growing stronger and stronger around me very quickly"

Where do you think that feeling came from?... The mind. And the mind makes that feeling very real. Ever sit in a chair that reclines, and it goes back further than you thought? The Oh #^%! feeling is very real isn't it? and it was all in your mind.

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by shihulud
I know of the demons that which you speak - we've had this conversation before. The demons of my above quote were not of the inner mind kind.

So we did.

(on this page even DOH!)

But the demons of the mind are the only demons there are. Look at the post you quoted. "I could feel it's presence growing stronger and stronger around me very quickly"

Where do you think that feeling came from?... The mind. And the mind makes that feeling very real. Ever sit in a chair that reclines, and it goes back further than you thought? The Oh #^%! feeling is very real isn't it? and it was all in your mind.

That feeling comes from the mind and not a separate independant entity - My problem was the instant turnaround from atheist to christian and all the feelings vanished.

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