Where the heck are the terrorists?

Originally posted by rstrik
The government has prevented another 9/11 and some people act like they want another terrorist attack.

I think all here will agree that nobody wants another "terrorist" attack (from our government or any other organization) but how can you claim that our government has "prevented another 9/11" or anything for that matter.

Everywhere I turn I see experts on Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. all the experts say we're no safer today than on 9/10.

Nuclear powerplants go inadequately guarded, our borders are still "open" to illeagles, subways are no safer, and the list goes on.

So how can you claim they prevented anything especially "another 9/11".

Were hijacked planes shot down in route to national monuments that I didn't hear about?

I suppose if you mean, by "prevented", that our government hasn't executed another attack on it's own people, then I would agree; but from what I've seen, the experts agree that we are no safer from "outside" forces today than on 9/11.

Just because the "terrorists" (gov. or outside) havn't attempted "another 9/11" doesn't mean that our gov. has "prevented" anything.

So as long as your INTENTION is to kill "bad guys", then slaughtering thousands of innocents in the process is just collateral damage and doesn't count or matter, even if that collateral damage is far more than any terrorist that DOES target civilans could ever dream of doing. What an arrogant, dehumanizing, and psychopathic philosophy that is...

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Couldn't have said it better myself. Wake up you psuedo patriots! WE ARE THE TERRORISTS!

Could it be possible that the "terrorists" are not much more than figments of our governments imagination?

Yes, this is not only possible, this some people can say with absolute certanity. US goverment made terrorists so they could make money on war, scare people some more and get away with almost anything (Enron right on the top of the list...) ...

The truth is, that there are - yes - some poor souls, who can't see right and commit some evil actions against other people in desperate attempt to gain attention to their believs.

That is the IRA thing, that want separation from England. That is the ETA thing, that wanted seperation of Basques from the Spain. That is the crazy islamists, picking on tourists in Egypt.
But keep in mind, that they all use their local lands for the fight and that there are really strong reasons, why they do it.
- north Ireland want become a part o Ireland. What is wrong with that? Why they should not...?
- if Basques want to be seperate, why do not allow them? (same goes for Czecnya - they want to be separate from russia, so they should be...)
- in Egypt, islamic state is about to win a ellections by wast majority, untill the military take over and prevent it. So the resulting anger and violence does fully on the undemocratic way they sieze power and forbig the Muslim brothers party.

I do not sayin that the terrorists itself is not to blame, but missing the big picture is fatal in this calculation. If the people want islamist state, they should get it. (BTW, Saddam was preventing by force the same thing from hapenning and now - forget democracy, Sharia come and radical Islam uprise all around Iraq...)

But terrorists never atacked any far land in hopes to gain something. Besides, they aren't that stupid to not know, that destroying two ugly tall old buildings aren't going to make America cry - and that angry and firm reaction has to be expected.

So, unless they are entierly stupid - and then can't pull off the 911, or they aren't stupid and never do it for beforementioned reasons.

You can't have it both ways.

Besides, there is too much information that made 911 "by terrorists" out of question for anyone who can read, understand and are capable of thinking outside of the cage, that media and goverment created around people minds to get them, where they want them to be... Scared, hopeless and willing to put their freedoms at stake in return of just a promise of safety.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

I think it's fascinating that the tactic of creating a bogus threat so that the population allows you to strip their freedoms away because you say it is necessary for their own safety has been known and used for thousands of years, and yet people STILL fall for it left and right today.

It's interesting to think about the children, the teenagers, the young adults of this day and age. To the contrary of what they themselves think, they are no different than those who came in countless generations before - just as naive, just as blind, just as easily deceived by their governments who use the same tactics that were used by the likes of Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini to deceive their generation in their time - because those tactics have always worked and continue to work. And the nobility/kings/emperors of ages past used the SAME EXACT TACTICS to deceive THEIR entire populations into voluntary slavery using lies, creating a state of fear, and false promises. The tactics are ALWAYS the same, and yet people of EVERY generation fall for them over and over and over and over again.

People like to think that the population is smarter now than ever before. Yet the only thing that changes is technology - human nature and all its numerous flaws is exactly the same as it has always been as long as humanity existed. And that is something many people conveniently forget. People are just as gullible, just as naive, just as easily deceived, just as fearful, just as full of wishful thinking and false beliefs, and just as easily controlled and manipulated now as they have ever been - and it is clearly evident by taking an objective look at the state of the world today, and the state of the world as it has always been throughout history.

And yet people have the gall to say that something like Nazi Germany could never again happen because humanity has learned its lesson. Do those people really believe that had they been in Germany at the time that they would be one of the few who saw what was truly happening, and what Hitler and his party were truly doing? The entire country, and the whole world were completely deceived until it was almost too late. Those who could SEE what was truly happening were laughed at, thought as crazy or paranoid or delusional or TRAITORS - and later persecuted as a "threat to national security" or because they "abetted the enemy". The vast majority were blinded by their patriotism, blinded by their emotional attachment to their government, blinded by their belief that their country (Germany) could never do anything "bad", blinded by wishful thinking that the government in their great democratic country could never do something so horrible - only other foreign, "evil" governments did that - not OUR government (so they told themselves in their blissful wishful thinking).

And of course there was no proof of what Hitler was doing, so those who could see it and tried to say something were obviously seen as insane at best, and traitors at worst. But there were signs that were recognized by those who had the ability to see objectively, not emotionally or subjectively or through "sacred cows". And those signs were clear as day - but it was only evidence. One piece at a time did not condemn the government. But when all the signs/evidence were looked at together, they create a very scary picture that could not be reasonably denied unless one was, well, in denial.

When will people realise that bad guys are only obvious in movies, or if they are stupid in real life. Most cunning psychopaths who gain power and use it for their nefarious purposes look exactly the same as everyone else. There IS NO SMOKING GUN and there will never be until it is too late. But there are signs, many many signs, that can be seen, and as always, they create an undeniable picture that reveals the true nature of reality.

But sadly, as it has always been throughout history of mankind, the masses are deceived, and the few who see what is really happening are labeled as just "Bush haters" or "paranoid nuts" or "terrorist sympathizers" or "traitors", etc. And of those few who DO see what is happening (at least one layer of it), there are those who naively think they can just tell everyone else and wake them up. And then when it doesn't happen, they get frustrated - like a child who learns that there is no Santa Clause and tries to tell all the other children who think he's nuts or just laugh.

And the funny thing is, it cannot be proven - it is also the frustrating thing. If it could be so easily proven, the whole world would see it - and that would eliminate the whole point, which is to HIDE it from the population. And thus the dillemma. You recognize a huge lie, but it is not easy to see, and most people will never put in the effort (inner and outer) necessary to see it. The proof exists in seeing and recognizing the NOT-OBVIOUS by connecting the dots and making no assumptions but just looking at the evidence and thinking critically and objectively about what it means. It only THEN becomes obvious - but until such an immense amount of effort is made to see objective reality and connect the dots, it is not only not obvious, it seems absurd and extremely unlikely. But all is not as it seems - when has it ever been? This is not just a cliche, it is something people conveniently forget when it comes to questioning certain closely-held beliefs about themselves, their country, government, friends, family, and the world in general.

So what does one do in such a frustrating and seemingly hopeless situation? How do you "prove" there is no Santa clause to those who want to believe? You can't, but what can you do? Well the only thing you can do - keep presenting the evidence, continue to be objective, continue to SEE the unseen, and make available your findings in passive form to avoid violating free will (passive forms like writing, without imposing them on anyone who does not wish to hear what you wish to say).

Perhaps one day enough people will also see what you see and prevent the approaching disaster.

Perahps they won't.

But that is all one can do. Everything else is upto each individual.

Remember - there was no proof about what Hitler really was and what he really did until it was too late. But there were those who SAW it before it was too late, because they saw and recognized the eternal signs, like a loud bell that just kept ringing over and over again. And they are indeed eternal, they are always the same because the tactics are always the same, and once you learn to recognize them, you will always recognize them, and will never be deceived (by those tactics anyway) again.

But the interesting thing is, each generation has to learn to see them from scratch - but the majority die without ever learning them. The majority only sees the results, the explosions, and listen to what the news commentators say. They do not understand the substance of how and why. They do not understand the psychology and the tactics that were used, and exactly HOW and WHY they worked to deceive millions - and as such, will just as easily fall for the exact same thing the next time it happens, which is never too far away (again, refer to human history). But anyone can see the obvious, and by then it is usually too late, the disaster has already occured and is being widely reported. But to see the disaster before it occurs by recognizing the NON-OBVIOUS signs that precede it and connecting the dots to see where it is leading (contrary to the popular deception/illusion) - that has always been in the domain of those who put in the effort to SEE the unseen.

Will you put in the effort?

[edit on 12-11-2005 by lilblam]

Can't remember the last time I used one of these but:

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Saddly, I do think 9/11 was our Reichstag fire.

[edit on 11/12/05 by redmage]

You have voted lilblam for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Same here. The reply is outstanding and show the depth that I would like to see there more often. Unfortunetely, not much people want make the need effort to break throught the deception, they did not see, understand and - most importantly - they blindly belief that did not exist at all...

Wha about this, make this anyone wake up a little?
www.whatreallyhappened.com...

Yeah, Liblam, that about sums it up.

I notice that the site's jarheads and uber patriots have kept quiet in response.

We keep going in circles as a species. Is all the pain necessary for evolution? It must be.