Rebuttal to "I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

Can someone tell me how we got this guy's attention?? Is this getting taken up by other sites/media?

[edit on 11-9-2005 by opensecret1150]

I was wondering this same thing..

I am also thinking this guy may be BS..

Its not like he is giving actually any proof at all, he is just saying things to make us feel at ease..

But I dont know.. need more proof.

Yes they will and I did it on my own

Thank you for being civic in your questions.

Ed

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
I was wondering this same thing..

I am also thinking this guy may be BS..

Its not like he is giving actually any proof at all, he is just saying things to make us feel at ease..

But I dont know.. need more proof.

Uh, it's already be said his IP resolves to the government office he says he's from by one of the staff and errrr. yeah... this story has just a *leetle bit* got out (sarcasm btw) - it's huge! It's been taken up by dozens of other sites, just check out the views on here! 226167 at the time of writing!

Originally posted by ThichHeaded

Its not like he is giving actually any proof at all, he is just saying things to make us feel at ease..

But I dont know.. need more proof.

He ain't making me at ease. He smacks of someone who knows his relief help has screwed up. Any thing he can say or do, is only damage limitation on his part, and his colleagues part. He knows this is true too.

We know, and he knows what has gone wrong, there fore anything else that is said on behalf of his "relief" workers has got to be rebuttal, or damage limitation.

Hey Ed, How did you find ATS??

I am wondering about that..

Ed Kostiuk accidently created another thread, here is his post from it...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

That thread has been locked so this one can continue with the discussion.
This is his post ....
Additional notes on the original post>
Page 12....There were buses coming in the front gate at about a rate of 1 every 2 or 3 minutes...We could hear them below us as we walked back up the hill...we could see their white tops through the trees...


No what you heard was the 22 ambulances we posted at the SITE..we NEVER had anyone show up from Texas or Louisiana in buses at Falls Creek. As of this date Sunday Sept 11, 2005 we still do not have anyone at Falls Creek

The small town of Davis population of 2,000 have opened their arms and hearts to anyone who might have been impacted by Katrina. They were very offended when I forwarded them your comments about their "little town". They are "Okies" and very proud of the fact they can lend a hand to any "guest" of Oklahoma


[edit on 11-9-2005 by Netchicken]

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Hey Ed, How did you find ATS??

I am wondering about that..

I think a "google" search, and he came up with Vals thread. easy eh?
shame he aint getting no credibility here from some of the posts he made.

[edit on 11-9-2005 by Bikereddie]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Uh, it's already be said his IP resolves to the government office he says he's from by one of the staff and errrr. yeah... this story has just a *leetle bit* got out (sarcasm btw) - it's huge! It's been taken up by dozens of other sites, just check out the views on here! 226167 at the time of writing!

There are more than 1 way to skin a cat.. Also more than 1 way to spoof a IP..

Originally posted by edkostiuk
Yes they will and I did it on my own

Thank you for being civic in your questions.

Ed

Understood, and thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

I haven't had the time to read into all of this most current development.

However, I can say one thing edkostiuk, thank you for posting and taking the time to make an effort to answer questions that have been asked. It's a rare treat when we have an opportunity for direct answers to questions and your involvement is admirable.

Originally posted by edkostiuk
The reason your “pop-tarts” were accepted is they are sealed in an enclosed package and are “tamper proof”. We are trying to protect our Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them. This is the reason Apples and Oranges were not allowed. I wonder if this lady allowed her children to go around on Thanksgiving and accept open candy from strangers.

Ed Kostiuk
Oklahoma State Dept of Health
Emergency Management

Hrmmm... criminal intent... harm done to them....

From kelloggs interactive website:

Kellogg's Pop-Tarts Cookies 'n Creme

Ingredients:

Wheat Flour, Sugar, Dextrose, Vegetable Oil, Invert Sugar Syrup, Glucose Syrup, Fat Reduced Cocoa Powder, Milk Whey Powder, Milk Sugar, Salt, Modified Starch, Flavouring, Raising Agent (Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate, Diphosphates), Colour (Titanium Dioxide, Caramel (E150d), Carmine), Emulsifier (E417, E481, Soy Lecithin), Stabiliser (Sodium Alginate), Calcium Sulphate, Beef Gelatin, Dried Egg White.

That would be:

REFINED GRAINS, SUGAR, SUGAR, OIL, SUGAR, SUGAR, CAFFEINE, milk whey powder, SUGAR, SALT, CHEMICALLY ALTERED STARCH, ummm... FLAVOR... right, INORGANIC SALTS, and then we get into the E999's

Oklahoma State Dept of Health, may I ask... How are you protecting the HEALTH of these people by taking away APPLES and ORANGES and "allowing" them a chemical concoction, bent on addicting people with refined grains, sugar, and caffeine?

protect our Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them

You should begin with the agrobusiness giants. They are the enemy.

Certainly NOT mom and pop offering fresh fruit to displaced peoples seeking refuge.

I am just disgusted with the "if no bar code and plastic package then unacceptable" mentality.

Welcome to Zion my Brother... food grows on the Trees here.

Sri Oracle



PS: from wikipedia: SHILL An associate of a person selling a good or service, who pretends no association and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage other potential customers, unaware of the set-up, to purchase said good or service.

Usually, shills are employed by confidence artists. Their use is often illegal, though this varies as the precise definition of what comprises "shilling" is debatable.


Ed, be a servant of the American public, not a slave to industry.

Can we try and keep it a little bit more serious and not nitpick?
It makes us look like uneducated morons, it's rare to get a first hand response to these issues and we should embrace it rather than start a tomato throwing contest.
It's a good way to make us look like a bunch of fools.

I also find it unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble to impersonate a government IP or find an open government server to proxy off just to make a post like this.

I've sent you an email by the way Ed on your work address (and a U2U on here), let me know if your interested.

First hand response to issue's raised is fine, but responses and rebuttal is not. This guy has gone against everything Val saw and witnessed.Why
Some people should open their eyes and see what is exactly going on.

Ed, Thanks For The Rebuttal!

Valhall's report was excellent, but I've been holding my tongue somewhat because I was concerned that assumptions have been made as a result of it that aren't actually true.

I believe it is not only our right, but our duty as citizens to question our government on everything. We should never trust our government, lest we become slaves to it.

That said, I am certain that a lot of the sinister agendas attributed to our various levels of government are more often false than true.

In this case, I think much is being made of things which aren't really sinister, and that misunderstandings abound.

My own personal position on this is that many of Valhall's concerns are reasonable, but that not all the conclusions people are drawing from her report are valid.

Without diving into it too much further at this point, I just wanted to express my delight at seeing an actual dialog over this, because that's how ignorance is ultimately denied.

I know you have a tough job to do, and I am grateful that you are willing to do it.

I know you're busy, but I'm hoping that -- if you aren't overwhelmed by the unseemly catcalls -- you may find time going forward to add more to your side of things.

Again, thanks!

Very sincerely,

Majic

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Can we try and keep it a little bit more serious and not nitpick?
It makes us look like uneducated morons, it's rare to get a first hand response to these issues and we should embrace it rather than start a tomato throwing contest.

AgentSmith: you are absolutely right.

Enough folks. Ed did not have to come on and reply. Moreover, I think there are way too many assumptions flying on this thread. I've asked the Mods if it was ok to post this, but haven't heard a reply yet. If I'm violating some rule, I apologize in advance for that. BUT, I think people need to see this post of Ed's from another site. I think it gives a better perspective of where he is coming from, and helps defend him a bit- at least in my eyes. (Hope you don't mind Mr. Kostiuk.)

lists.iaem.com...

I don't really feel that the appointment of the VP is another layer. It is simply a matter of good politics and making sure the White House has a face in that region for the voters to see they are activity involved in the recovery activity. Like it or not this is what the average voter wants to see. How many times has the media asked over the past several days "Who's in Charge"? Well here is your answer.

Over the past two years working at the State level I have shielded myself with facts, figures, plans and resources and forgot about the human side. I have actually, until the other night, gotten to the point where catastrophic events such as this are a matter of routine programming…meaning get to the EOC stand up this, do that etc. This in turn placed that barrier around me in which I forgot about the 3 year old boy looking me in the eyes. I had to wonder the other night looking at his little eyes if he was wondering who I was and how I was going to help. I managed to find a teddy bear at the local Wal-Greens and give it to him. All the while he was hiding behind mom peeking out just enough to try to figure out who this man was and why did he come into my world.

I think we sometimes get so wrapped up in our planning to these events that we forget that we must focus on the needs of “real people” and the “human factor”. The political world overshadows the real world and real needs. Look at your kids, your wives (husbands) your family, everything that you own as ask yourself this “If I were to lose it all and have nothing and be told I must temporary move to another state would you really give a damn who or what was in charge?” No you would want to “self preserve” and rebuild your life as quickly as possible.

Everyone including everyone one of us on this list failed. We have spent billions on Terrorism prevention and preparedness but we have robbed Peter to give to Paul. Quit sending funding overseas to other countries and give back to those OEM at the State Level. Don’t create more bureaucracy by funneling funding through State DHS offices but give it to the States directly to give local EM what they need. One area the Feds could improve in “don’t take the majority of tax dollars but leave them at the State Level for providing their own needs and their own protection use”. We have communities here in Oklahoma that have not have EWS systems that were purchased in the 1950's for the old Civil Defense. However, we can send billions overseas to foreign countries to improve their life styles and not take care of our own citizens.

Working the State EOC for the past several days I am appalled at what our State Senators and Federal Representatives have allowed by the deterioration of this facility. They are working with limited funds all the while watching as “terrorism prevention” builds up something that may never be used. It just makes me sick and sick to be an American.

Who failed in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama? WE ALL DID!

[edit on 11-9-2005 by loam]

Ed,

I was wondering if you could answer the following questions:

1. With the exception of curfews, will the occupants of the camp be allowed to leave and return to the camp once they have been checked out by the medical teams? I'm asking will they have the personal freedom to come and go from the camp? I understand there might need to be a pass system and a log-in/log-out system, but I'm asking if they will be able to come and go freely - within reason.

2. Will OEMA/OHP be supplying transportation for them? And if so, what kind of limitations will this have? Will it only be at certain times of days and only to specific locations?

3. Will the occupants of the camp be allowed to have visitors? If so, what type of restrictions will be in place?

4. Will the members of the churches owning the cabins be able to go in and cook meals for their guests? If not, why did you say that the camp was chosen for "having the ability by faith-based groups to allow these folks the ability to put their lives back to normal, as much as possible, without having the press and lot’s of concerned citizens hound them for interviews and “how was it”. "?

5. Will the churches that own the cabins be allowed to send buses and vans so that any occupants of the camp will be allowed to attend church services if they so choose?

6. Will the children be integrated into the local public school systems? (Davis, Sulphur, etc.)

7. Why were we told that FEMA would only be serving two meals per day when you are saying they will be provided three meals per day? Which is it - 2 or 3?

8. Why was it necessary to have the military in the camp when there was already an immense OHP presence? I live in a town of about 2000 people and we have two cop cars and no more than 6 city cops. Why such a huge "security presence for 3000 people?

REMOVED 9 - I figured this one out on my own.

Thanks.




[edit on 9-11-2005 by Valhall]

Its funny you guys say that. Isnt this suppost to be a Conspiricy Site. Its like you guys are opening you arms to this guy.

Remember... Nothing is as it seems, exspecially if it seems to good to be true..

And also, usually on face value most of the time people are wrong.. and in all else. Deny all and find your own answers.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Its funny you guys say that. Isnt this suppost to be a Conspiricy Site. Its like you guys are opening you arms to this guy.

Remember... Nothing is as it seems, exspecially if it seems to good to be true..

And also, usually on face value most of the time people are wrong.. and in all else. Deny all and find your own answers.

If you 'Deny All' then what is left? You have to take in all information and assess it on an individual level. What your saying sounds like burying one's head in the sand rather than following the real ATS motto of 'Deny Ignorance'.
Ed is a human being too, just because someone works for the government does not mean they are 'them'. This isn't the Matrix and neither him or anyone else is going to 'get you'.

We are lucky that someone on the inside is giving us information, so of course people are happy to hear from him. What do you expect us to do? Flame him? grow up.

I've decided to post the post I deleted earlier anyway, and added a bit:

I imagine that clothes and toys are not sorted on site and the staff used are not based there.
There would be a logistical problem in having to ship all the goods out to be sorted and then shipping them back, which would probably be more expensive than even getting cheaper ones.
What people have to remember, rightly or wrongly, is that there is tons of red tape to be cut through.

The idea behind the location makes perfect sense, there is nothing worse than having the media hounding you in your hour of need. They don't need that, I sure as hell wouldn't want it and most people wouldn's either.
Having a bunch of well meaning people in your face is highly irritating as well, anyone that doesn't understand either of these comments either has a different personality to a lot of people or has been fortunate enough not to ever be in a dire situation.

With regards to the food, you can only imagine the spin that the media would put on things if these people are fed 'crap' food instead of the nutricious food that we are so often being told we should eat.

I can see the headlines now 'Food not good enough for everyone else good enough for New Orleans Refugees'.

The sealed tamper proof foods being accepted make perfect sense too.

The quarantining of people also makes a lot of sense, there are any number of contagious diseases that some of them may be carrying. Some may have relatively long incubation periods with few or no symptoms early on.

All these things have to be thought of and dealt with, the public would be the first to complain if someone from a camp managed to infect locals because 'No quarantine plan was in place - Government messes up again'.

At the end of the day the elected people are in place to think of and deal with these emergencies, tax payers pay for their training and their expertise are what count. That's why there is training, not everyone has the knowledge of how to deal with these situations and the experience and forsight to overcome them.
A simple solution on the outside has many complications on the inside, if it is not dealt with in a proper manner than the repercussions can be very bad.
Unfortunatly Political correctness plays a big part of it, and also trying to avoid the chances of any negative spin being put on things by the media, who are probably the biggest culprits.

The media are also the worst culprits for false and misleading information, people complain the story is always changing, but where's it coming from... the media..

The best thing anyone can do if they really want to do something is to get into politics themselves and to be more careful about who they vote for in the future. Like it or lump it that's what it boils down to.

I guess everyone is just trying to do their job the best way they can in the circumstances and with the restrictions they have to work under.