Kundalini and the serpent of fire!

Originally posted by Tamahu
Many fanatics talk about the power of the Holy Spirit; yet have no problem with their own fornication(whether through masturbation, wet dreams or even a legitimate matrimony). How rediculous!

You really don't have that much control over wet dreams. If their is a way to control them please share with the rest of the class

Originally posted by LordBucket
Ritualistic sex may allow you to feel the energy passing through you, but ultimately that energy is being released rather than retained.

Tantrism/alchemy/ritual sex, whatever you want to call it, does not involve sexual energies to be released.

They are retained, U2U me if you want to know more...
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It's good to see that Gnostic Kabbalah is being talked about here.

Inverential Peace,
Akashic

[edit on 17/10/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

This thread does a lot of coverage on the Kundalini..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by DaTruth

Originally posted by Tamahu
Many fanatics talk about the power of the Holy Spirit; yet have no problem with their own fornication(whether through masturbation, wet dreams or even a legitimate matrimony). How rediculous!

You really don't have that much control over wet dreams. If their is a way to control them please share with the rest of the class

Here you go:

On how to avoid Nocturnal Pollutions.


This is a good one too:

Spilling the Semen

The single most effective technique to control the sexual energy is daily sexual alchemy with your spouse. However, whether you are married or not, the second most important technique is SELF-OBSERVATION.

The reason people lose their energy at night is because there is lustful activity in the mind.

If you stop producing lustful images in the mind and heart, then the nocturnal pollutions will cease.

Therefore, learn to transform impressions with the consciousness.

The website I was quoting from, on page two of the thread we're now posting in, has all kinds of related info.

Don't let these new agers, black magicians and other pseudo-Gurus and pseudo-occultists trick you into thinking that the Kundalini can be awakened without Sex; or that it can be awakened by sex with orgasm/ejaculation.


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[edit on 19-10-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

the K could be rising unwillingly, I've heard before, then it's more like a spiritual crisis.

don't take drugs activating it.

it can throw you on the floor making you vomit like you never did before, so I've read, don't ask where...

it is not always that safe, it seems.

I can not say much about it, don't take my words for granted!

proper kundalini use, eh

ALL Native Americans must open this chakra, though this is little known, and they called it part of initiation.
Making love with any male or female who has 'paid their dues' is far beyong the 'le petit mort' tiny death which the French refer to as an orgasm.
It is like hours of tiny death, each other understanding the total process of spiritual 'sex'.
This is all I can/will say about this as it is not for open forum, only for fellow
experiencers..

Careful alienaddicted.

Originally posted by Tamahu
On fear mongers who speak against Kundalini, saying that it is "painful" or "dangerous":

Kundalini, Tantra and Sexuality

"Many pseudo-esoterists have committed unspeakable genocides. When fear-mongers act against the Kundalini, indeed it is a true genocide. It is an indescribable crime against humanity to tell people in published books that the awakening of the Kundalini is dangerous. Those who spread fear against the Kundalini are worse than war criminals. The latter committed crimes against people, however, the pseudo-esoterists who spread fear commit crimes against the Soul.

Whosoever does not awaken the Kundalini cannot incarnate his Soul. Whosoever does not awaken his Kundalini remains without Soul; he loses his Soul.

It is false to state that the Kundalini can awaken without moral progress, and due to this, one must wait until such progress is made. The development of the Kundalini is controlled by the merits of the heart.

We give concrete instructions about the Kundalini and every true Serpentine Culture knows the path in depth.

It is false to state that the Kundalini may flow through different channels when white Sexual Magic is practised. It is only when black sexual magic is practised that the Kundalini descends to the Atomic Infernos of the human being and becomes the Tail of Satan. Therefore, that absurd affirmation of the fear mongers that the Kundalini can leave the medullar canal, tear tissue, produce terrible pains and cause death, is false.

These affirmations of the assassins of Souls are false because each of the Seven Serpents has its specialised Masters who watch over the student. The student is not abandoned in the work. When the student awakens the first Serpent, he is attended by a specialist and when the second Serpent is awakened, he is helped by another and so on. These specialists take the Serpent through the medullar canal. No student is abandoned. The specialists have to answer for the student. The specialists live in the astral world.

The Kundalini awakens negatively only when the semen is spilled. Whosoever practises Sexual Magic without spilling the semen has nothing to fear."

Though I'd agree that drug addicts cannot awaken the Kundalini, because it ascends according to the merits of the heart, and drug use generally opens the user up to Klipothic forces.
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[edit on 21-10-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

Tamahu;

Wonderful and accurate post, bravo.
The semen spilling is NOT that easy to grasp, but I know whatof you speak.
Our Masters will not let us down through all the chakra levels..

Do any of you who have done the kundalini fire understand the alchemy of the nectar of the gods?

Please just give me a yes or no answer..please

I don't know, I think it is wise to prepare first, mentally emotionaly and physically and to not rush into the thing. I also would not claim a spiritual awakening being always 100% safe. That would seem foolish to me. Students always did this with a Guru, not?

I also think that when it happens spontaneously, it must be because the person is in good balance, and even then?

Be wise, and look for people who know this thing and get enough information. That's all I can say.

Don't ask me anyway.. I just don't think it's like a toy you use.

Originally posted by siriuslyone
Do any of you who have done the kundalini fire understand the alchemy of the nectar of the gods?

Please just give me a yes or no answer..please

I just remebered that I got not one answer to this question.
Felt this thread should be resurrectd.

Originally posted by siriuslyone
Do any of you who have done the kundalini fire understand the alchemy of the nectar of the gods?

Please just give me a yes or no answer..please

No.

Very important topic, needs a bump.



[edit on 17/11/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

Originally posted by AkashicWanderer

Originally posted by siriuslyone
Do any of you who have done the kundalini fire understand the alchemy of the nectar of the gods?

Please just give me a yes or no answer..please

No.

Very important topic, needs a bump.

Thanks you, I agree..

Preacher to congregration~~'Can I get a Yes from someone'?



[edit on 17/11/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

Here's a question, has anyone ever been burned by the serpent of fire?

If you have a Kundalini awakening before your body is ready for it, the side effects can be very serious! I had a spontaneous kundalini awakening about 2 years ago and it turned my world upside down!! I suffered a lot and I would just like to say to people from experience that this Kundalini and Chakra stuff is very powerful. The side effects can be very serious if you don't know what your doing.

One Love

Jah Warrior

Greetings Jah Warrior 108


See my last post in this thread.


What most people think is the movement of the Kundalini, is not.

Sometimes, it is only the movement of (mis)directed Prana.

Almost all current schools who claim to teach how to awaken the Kundalini, are only teaching the naive how to awaken it's anti-thesis: the Kundabuffer organ.





[edit on 18-11-2005 by Tamahu]

Greetings Tamahu.

Yes I agree that many may confuse Kundalini energy with Prana rising through the Chakras, but in my experience I was hit with a spontaneous Kundalini awakening. At the time I had absolutley no idea what was going on, I though I was going crazy!

All I am saying is that Kundalini is very powerful stuff and should not be taken lightly. Some serious side effects can take place if you have a spontaneous kundalini awakening.
Kundalini by Gopi Krishna is a brilliant book that deals with this and it gave me many much needed answers.

One Love

Originally posted by Jah Warrior 108
Some serious side effects can take place if you have a spontaneous kundalini awakening.
Kundalini by Gopi Krishna is a brilliant book that deals with this and it gave me many much needed answers.

It may really serve you well, to study my first post on this page of this thread(and the link provided).

The point stressed, is that "spontaneous Kundalini awakening" is a myth.

I've not studied Gopi Krishna, however; there are too many pseudo-occult and pseudo-Yoga teachers running around these days.

So, just be careful.


In fact, I just found this:

Kundalini

There are many cases investigated by the likes of Carl Jung, there are books by Gopi Krishna, an Indian man who claimed no spiritual work but supposed had his kundalini awakened all of the sudden, etc etc There are thousands who claim to have awakened the kundalini - none are verifiable, none are consistent, none are in alignment with the teachings of White Tantrism.

In some cases, the person is experiencing shocks or vibrations in the spine due to nervous damage from psychological problems. This can result in hallucinations (supposed spiritual experiences), etc.

Some people perform pranayamas or meditation and experience "sparks" which they interpret as the awakening of the Kundalini.

Some people create a "psychosomatic" awakening: i.e they imagine it.

In some cases, the person is experiencing the awakening of the Kundabuffer, which, due to the degeneration of the psyche, may be felt or experienced and interpreted as the kundalini, but it is not.

We all know very well that the Kundalini only awakens with moral purity, sanctity in the marriage of man and woman, and the successful completion of the required ordeals. It can never awaken mechanically, by meditation, by accident, because of dharma, because of pranayama, because of hatha yoga, because of diet, what country we live in, what religion we subscribe to, what books we read, we mantras we use, whether we wear our hair long or short, or sit on a pole for 15 years, etc. None of these things have any impact on the awakening of the Kundalini.

A traitor, one who betrays his guru, can never awaken the kundalini.

A fornicator cannot awaken the kundalini.

A single person (without a marriage) cannot awaken the kundalini.

Those confused people who claim to have the Kundalini awakened are very confused, because the ones who have it, earned it through conscious works and voluntary sufferings, at a high price, and they know very well what they have and how they got it, and they can never be the fruity flighty flaky spiritualists that are so common nowadays.

To awaken the kundalini, one must have PSYCHOLOGICAL EQUILIBRIUM.

This is not easy to achieve.

I would listen to the man.





[edit on 18-11-2005 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Jah Warrior 108
Yes I agree that many may confuse Kundalini energy with Prana rising through the Chakras, but in my experience I was hit with a spontaneous Kundalini awakening. At the time I had absolutley no idea what was going on, I though I was going crazy!

How did you come to realize that you had a Kundulani awakening?

Was it by reading Gopi Krishna's book?

By noticing less egos?

Pain in your back?

We must be extremely careful not to confuse the Igneous Serpent with any one of these. The ego is a brilliant liar, and it will attempt anything in its power to fool us into feeding it.



It only rises through carrying on our shoulders the old, rough and heavy cross.

[edit on 18/11/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

AK;

The subjects you brought up are very important..Questions one should ask themselves...
Is your ego bigger now than before?
Are you more humanitatian?
Are you more merciful?
Do you have a messianic complex?

From Master K, the dis-eases of the mystic are many and varied.
One can be de-luded into 'thinking' the work is done, when if fact, quite the reverse has happened.

Please read this for more information..

laluni.helloyou.ws...