The Phoenix Lights... And the box found on April 15, 2000? Legit?

Ok, I'm sure most of you know about the phoenix lights ufo sighting on march 13th 1997. For those of you who dont i will post up a little bit of background...


The Phoenix Lights

During the evening of March 13, 1997, thousands of Arizona residents witnessed a silent mile long, v-shaped formation of lights slowly gliding overhead. The still unexplained sightings gamered headline news, catching the attention of USA Today, EXTRA, national morning TV shows, and the Evening news with Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather.

Most skeptics said it was obviously a US military craft, but you find me a military craft that is a mile long, and can move slow . Not saying this was for sure aliens, but wow. Maybe some Phoenix area members can chime in here?

Three videos here...

Fox news video
www.thephoenixlights.net...

CNN video
www.cnn.com...

A&E video
www.finart.be...



Anyways, onto the real question i have

I was doing some searching on the internet about this event, and came up with a site that said some pretty interesting things. They claim a box was found April 2000 that somehow will explain everything that happened in Phoenix. Is this box a hoax? Anyone know any info on it?

www.lightsoverphoenix.com...

Here is some info taken from the site..

.: The box found by two construction workers while cleaning up a vacant house in the east side of Phoenix. What is inside this box is remarkable and puts to rest the Phoenix Lights Mystery.

.: What happened that night?

[ Note to the reader: We ask you to read the following information as you would read a news article. Don't try to look for little green men hiding behind doors, voices from another world, hidden messages or encrypted information. This is just a brief account of where we are and what we are ready to communicate to you. ]

The night of March 13, 1997 four people lived through what we call "The Phoenix Lights Experience."

Witness number one is a Catholic Priest from Phoenix.
Witnesses number two and number three are husband and wife.
Witness number four is a woman in her late twenties.

We have been able to locate three witnesses, except for witness number four.

The Priest no longer lives in Phoenix and now resides in the northeast of the United States. We have talked extensively with him and while he prefers to maintain his anonymity at least for the time being, we have recorded him on tape were he talks about his experience. This tape will be shown shortly in this website and you'll be able to judge for yourself.

The husband and wife now live in Europe and while we had conversations with them, the husband has no desires to talk, fearing public humiliation, and he has even threatened to sue us if we even hint who he is. He is well known and a simple search of his name in Altavista produces a good number of links. His wife, on the other hand has expressed her willingness to disclose information and also verify certain events, but she finally decided to go along with her husband and the communication with them has stopped. We regret it, but we understand.

From witness number four we have, of all things, a piece of cloth impregnated with her blood. This was found in the box, among a number of other items that we're not ready to disclose right now. We performed a DNA test on the material to verify that it was actually human blood and the result was positive.

The entire experience started at around 7:00 pm and lasted until the early hours of the morning of March 14. Most of the experience happened in the Priest's Church.

Please, we beg you not to make any conclusions at this point and just bear with us. These details are not that important when compared to the bigger picture, which is a fundamental discovery with implications so deep that could, and probably will, change your life. We know that this is a huge claim, but it is also a responsible one, and regardless of criticism, doubts or accusations directed at us, we feel that the end result will be rewarding and redeeming.

.: Why can't we tell the whole story at once and be done with it?

As of this writing we're questioning and verifying information and we're trying to present to you enough without diminishing the impact of the entire story when is completely put into perspective. Of course we know more than we share, but ask yourself this question: Would the Mona Lisa have the kind of impact that has on people if it was shown as an unfinished sketch?
For these obvious reasons we are concealing information, but we believe that once we present to you the entire story you and others will benefit greatly. You might take a second look at the Mona Lisa and see things that you have never seen before.
Is this an exaggeration? Will leave that judgment to you.

.: The message

We're convinced that once the story is told in its entirety the discussion will move to a different level. Details such as when exactly a particular formation showed up, or whether someone saw a flare or not, or that so and so did an analysis of a picture, etc. will become unimportant.

The message behind what happened in Phoenix will move to the forefront of the arguments, and perhaps many skeptics will at least see seeds of truth that right now are hidden behind the rabble and unsubstantiated claims from many sources.

The implications of the message we believe will help many people. That's a huge claim to make, but we're ready to substantiate it. If you're not moved or changed in any way and still believe that this is a fabrication or a hoax, then we will respect you for that and perhaps it is not your fault, but ours, for not making our point better. At the very least, what we have found will introduce a new element to the discussion where people from every walk of lives and beliefs will be able to discuss ideas at a different level, and possibly agree on something, rather than disagreeing on everything.

.: About other investigations of the Phoenix Lights.

We want to categorically say that we don't endorse nor are associated with any of the investigators or investigations of the Phoenix Lights. One thing we won't do is show you a chronology of events (see the links section) or whether a light came from this angle or change into a particular formation. That kind of information is meaningless. Perhaps amusing for some, or beneficial for others to write a book or thesis or to add content to a website, but it doesn't even come close with what actually happened, why it happened and what are the implications of what happened.

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[edit on 26-8-2005 by noslenwerd]

My gawd that is such an annoying read. Stop the grandiose speeches already. Why can't people just be clear about their intentions and introduce what they know. "Why can't we tell the whole story at once and be done with it? Good grief....such drama. I'm shaking in my bunny slippers.

Originally posted by noslenwerd

Most skeptics said it was obviously a US military craft, but you find me a military craft that is a mile long, and can move slow

Last time I heard the official story was that they were flares used by the USAF. Like these:

Originally posted by shorty

Originally posted by noslenwerd

Most skeptics said it was obviously a US military craft, but you find me a military craft that is a mile long, and can move slow

Last time I heard the official story was that they were flares used by the USAF. Like these:

I heard that also, but along with a few other stories such as a new stealth bomber, helicopters in formation (even though there was no sound at all) etc.

How does the us military expect to convince a population when they come out with 3+ different stories. All i know is it was something fishy. I highly doubt that the US has the technology to produce something that is that large, that makes no noise, and stays suspended in mid-air like that. Also i saw a site that did an examination to if it was flares and they ruled it out because the flares left a smoke trail while these lights did not...

I think that they most likely are some sort of man-made thing, but what I don't know. It just doesn't seem to fit the description of your average UFO sighting.

OK, I have combed through this site exhaustively and have come up with some serious questions... Let's just start with this one... The "diary" and their promise of a re-enactment "Within the next few weeks" were posted back in 2001! Um, a little bit more than "A few weeks" has passed and there is still no re-enactment.

Secondly, this event was witnessed by thousands of people. What's with the claim of only the 4 witnesses!?

Also, the lead investigator (Who wished to remain anonymous but was named one link later!?), Susan, eluded to a vial containing a substance that she had tested and the results turned up that it contained a high concentration of hydrated iron chloride. A search on that on Yahoo turns up this link: www.infidels.org...

What I found interesting was that this re-enactment site continues to reference something "Spiritual" with the 3/13 event. I haven't combed through this enough to determine if there might be a relationship though.

The thing that just continues to reek of HOAX is the fact that for all of ther grandiose claims there is still no re-enactment.

Originally posted by kozmo
OK, I have combed through this site exhaustively and have come up with some serious questions... Let's just start with this one... The "diary" and their promise of a re-enactment "Within the next few weeks" were posted back in 2001! Um, a little bit more than "A few weeks" has passed and there is still no re-enactment.

Secondly, this event was witnessed by thousands of people. What's with the claim of only the 4 witnesses!?

Also, the lead investigator (Who wished to remain anonymous but was named one link later!?), Susan, eluded to a vial containing a substance that she had tested and the results turned up that it contained a high concentration of hydrated iron chloride. A search on that on Yahoo turns up this link: www.infidels.org...

What I found interesting was that this re-enactment site continues to reference something "Spiritual" with the 3/13 event. I haven't combed through this enough to determine if there might be a relationship though.

The thing that just continues to reek of HOAX is the fact that for all of ther grandiose claims there is still no re-enactment.

Great research... as far as some of the actual witness sightings, there is a bunch listed here you can check out.

www.nuforc.org...

also when you say this is a hoax, you are referring to the box and not the sightings correct?



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Yes, I meant the box to be a hoax. The Phoenix Lights Sightings are VERY obviously NOT a hoax as thousands of people were a witness to them.

I am going to continue my research on this box, however, and see if there is anything else that I might be able to uncover.

Howdy all,

Im here in Phoenix, and there was no box of any kind found.

As to them being a flare......no.

Starfleet Command

Originally posted by kozmo
Yes, I meant the box to be a hoax. The Phoenix Lights Sightings are VERY obviously NOT a hoax as thousands of people were a witness to them.

I am going to continue my research on this box, however, and see if there is anything else that I might be able to uncover.

Great... i am also going to try and research this. I am glad someone else is interested in this.

Alright, this is from Susana McClure's supposed diary of her research on this box:

"January 29, 2001

One of the items in the box that has been a mystery since the beginning of our investigation has been a small bottle, about 2 inches tall, with a bluish substance inside with peculiar chemical characteristics. When the bottle is left to stand the substance solidifies, but liquifies when the bottle is moved or shaken. A preliminary analysis revealed a mixture of hydrated iron chloride, chalk, sodium and water."


OK, Now from the site that I referenced above from my Yahoo search on the matter:

"Among the "miraculous" relics of Catholicism is the much publicized "blood" of San Gennaro St. Januarius in Naples. Januarius was supposedly martyred during the persecution of Christians by Diocletian, although the church has never been able to verify his existence as an actual historical person. In any case, since the fourteenth century what is represented as the martyred saint's congealed blood periodically liquefies and reddens, in apparent contravention of nature's laws.

While outside researchers have never been permitted to conduct definitive tests on the material in the sealed vial, two modern investigative teams have nevertheless proposed solutions to the mystery. One, by three Italian chemists, involves a thixatropic gel (made by mixing chalk and hydrated iron chloride with a small amount of salt water) which liquefies when agitated and re-solidifies when allowed to stand. The other, proposed by forensic analyst John F. Fischer and me, uses an oil-wax-pigment mixture that liquefies at even a slight increase in temperature. The apparent reddening may merely be due to light being more readily transmitted through the liquefied substance. Although the actual formula may never be uncovered, it is important to note that the "blood" has occasionally liquefied on its own, without the usual prayerful entreaties and under circumstances (such as repair of its casket) that would seem unlikely for the working of a miracle. It should also be noted that since the fourteenth century there have been several additional saints' bloods that liquefy all in the Naples area and thus suggestive of some regional secret."

WHAT? So the lights over Phoenix were casued by saints blood as proposed by a lady who wouldn't give her name until one link later, and she said it would be re-created in a few weeks but this was back in 2001....ummm maybe this thread should be closed and we open a new one examing the Phoenix lights but COMPLETELY forget about this supposed box containg the saints blood, the holy grail, and Captain Picards secret earl grey tea recipe!

Think I have the answer,.....

www.einsiders.com...

Scroll down a little way and there is a piece about his latest project... I found his name from the above website featured on this post... it was hid in the meta tags of the website along with the name "Slamdance" which is a film festival !!
This shows that the site in question is nothing more than hype for an upcoming film. Sorry to post this... I was taken in at first !!
Sounds like the blair witch project hype..... wonder what the film will be like !! Although the interview is from 2001 ???!!!!
Hope this helps.

weird.. when you do a search for her name, only sites that show up are lightsoverphoenix.com

I did a search for "daniel pace", as I mentioned I found this name contained within the meta tags of the website www.lightsoverphoenix.com...
Hope that clears up matters.

Uh. Hasn't it been LONG SINCE ESTABLISHED beyond all doubt that these were flares? I saw a long documentary on the Discovery channel about this and they had overwhelming evidence that they were infact flares. They fell slowly, they can be seen for miles and miles, the space between them and fall speed was perfectly coherent to a plane dropping them AND there was a god damn military base literally below the sigtings.

Originally posted by Drexon
Uh. Hasn't it been LONG SINCE ESTABLISHED beyond all doubt that these were flares? I saw a long documentary on the Discovery channel about this and they had overwhelming evidence that they were infact flares. They fell slowly, they can be seen for miles and miles, the space between them and fall speed was perfectly coherent to a plane dropping them AND there was a god damn military base literally below the sigtings.

You've been mislead. If you watch the video footage and then the footage of the airforce flares dropped later to try to simulate the 3/13 sighting there is no possible way that they were flares. All of the eyewitness accounts and video footage corraborate on a triangular craft with lights arrnanged on the underbelly in that shape. It was seen in many towns outside of pheonix as well and the whole sighting lasted for over 3 hours. The USAF flares aren't uniform in the way they light up, they flicker. They also illuminate the smoke surrounding them and when dropped in a triangular shape they do not stay uniform but instead drift and overlap. Also in the video it is clear that a dark shape is covering up the stars as it moves slowly over the city.

Unless flares can defy gravity for three hours, the discovery channel has pulled the wool over your eyes. You can't always trust tv shows on the paranormal on channels like discovery or National Geographic because most of the time they are skepticaly biased and only look at the evidence that suits there cause.

Originally posted by Drexon
Uh. Hasn't it been LONG SINCE ESTABLISHED beyond all doubt that these were flares? I saw a long documentary on the Discovery channel about this and they had overwhelming evidence that they were infact flares. They fell slowly, they can be seen for miles and miles, the space between them and fall speed was perfectly coherent to a plane dropping them AND there was a god damn military base literally below the sigtings.

yes, and no...

the second sighting, later the same day (evening)... was most diffinatley flares...
this was an effort by the military to confuse the public and cover up one of the most documented, and witnessed ufo sightings ever...

the first sighting has been shown to be significantly different, from witnesses who saw both the events at both times...

They had to do something...
also, have you wondered why the military never admitted to dropping flares later on?
if it was just flares, then why wouldn't they...
IMO they needed to keep the two sightings and times confused...
so that people would assume what is true for one, is true for the other...

Jesus christ, have you ever even seen a flare? They dont fly in formation for over 30 minutes!

Lastly, the closest base was Luke Air Force which is somewhat far away.

Information comming from 'Discovery', and 'UFO Files', seems to be directed at debunking 100% of the time which is why Ive stopped watching them all together.

Also not to mention that I'm sure some of the witnesses (meaning pilots, flight control officers, law enforcement) would know a flare when they see one and wouldn't mistake a bunch of irradically flying flares for a solid craft with lights, it just doesn't add up.