Questions about 9/11

www.rense.com...

probably old, hadn't seen it yet.

These are typical for the list:

40. Why did Atta leave his drivers license in a rental
car?

Oh, my, he’s going to need that later, won’t he.

4. Can he explain why a gas tank was in Building 7?

Gas tank, what gas tank.

Most commercial buildings have emergency generators and fuel oil tanks to service them. So what?

In under half an hour Howard was able to read through all 500 questions and pick the 2 most irrelevant ones. Kudos.

498 left.

I’ve spent about 3 hours looking them over, cutting… pasting… categorizing them… grouping duplicate questions together (1 question asked 5 times, but worded differently) and pretty much going through them all 1 by 1 (time to kill while sick in bed)…

Pretty much, ask enough questions about ANYTHING and you can cast doubt. About 1/2 of the list have nothing to do with 9/11 or even terrorism really, rather politics. The other 1/2 can possibly be entertained as pertinent by someone who doesn’t understand much about politics, human nature or physics (possibly a middle school aged person). Most of those questions (some straight from Michael Moore’s FarinHype 911) have been answered repeatedly, but have fallen on deaf conspiratorial ears. Maybe 20 questions pose a real value to a discussion on the events of 9/11, but everyone knows that some things were handled poorly & wrong. I happen to believe the plane was shot down over PA but that it is being covered up (can’t say I blame them either)… world corporations & politics suck, but it is a very far stretch to say they cooked the 9/11 attacks up. The list appears to have been cut & pasted from a few different conspiracy websites, poorly, I might add (What color underwear DID Dick Cheney have on that day & WHY did he choose that color?). The obvious political slant of the list, not to mention the man’s own words at the end, shows he doesn’t really care about the answers, but rather the effect they will create. He is simply depending on left wing wackos to stir the pot for him, while he sits back with a smirk on his face (sitting amongst his Star Trek memorabilia in his parents’ basement, no doubt).

I find it hard to believe in this day & age with all the information available, someone would put much merit in these juvenile questions. Being skeptical is one thing, living in denial of common sense & facts is another…

I am not really looking for debate on this, but I do find humor in what some people believe about things they have such bias against. I must say I expected more from this site…

I did not read them all, honestly I think you're nuts for doing so
But I noticed a couple good ones and since I hadn't seen the list I thought I'd post them.

What you make of it is your own problem, I'm not trying to convince anyone with it.

Okay I heard from my not-very-reliable friend that George W. Bush flew Osama Bin Laden out of the country on 9/11 even though no planes were suppose to fly that day.

Is this true?

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
Okay I heard from my not-very-reliable friend that George W. Bush flew Osama Bin Laden out of the country on 9/11 even though no planes were suppose to fly that day.

Is this true?

Yes it is true Bin Laden family was flown out by the US government.

Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.

www.cbsnews.com...

Some 140 high ranking Saudi officials were also on the plane.

newsmine.org...



[edit on 27/8/2005 by Sauron]

Originally posted by Sauron

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
Okay I heard from my not-very-reliable friend that George W. Bush flew Osama Bin Laden out of the country on 9/11 even though no planes were suppose to fly that day.

Is this true?

Yes it is true Bin Laden family was flown out by the US government.

Uh..yes and no. Yes, family members were flown out, but NOT on 9/11, and NOT bin Laden himself.

Many of the Saudis mentioned were assembled at locations from which they could be conveniently flown out of the country once regular airline travel resumed.. During the two-day period of full lock-down, only the military and specially FAA-authorized flights that delivered life-saving medical necessities were in the air; it appears that some of the Saudis in question certainly were escorted in military and/or government aircraft to certain safehouses before they were able to depart the country.

As for bin Laden, by all accounts he was one of more than fifty children fathered by the same man; as a result, the bin Laden family is huge, with hundreds (if not thousands) of members spread all over the globe. Many, many of these family members are only very superficially related to Osama and never had much (if any) contact with Osama himself.

Furthermore though, his family disowned him after he fled Saudi Arabia in 1991 and was stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994 for smuggling weapons from Yemen.

If these Saudis and/or family members fled the country (for whatever reason), my guess is they had a darn good reason to do so. Remember the immediate backlash towards anyone of Arab descent? Imagine having the same name as the alleged ringleader.

In summary: Yes, certain Saudis received government help in leaving the country after 9/11. No, Osama bin Laden was not one of these subjects.


Sauron -

From the CBS link:

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.

(emphasis mine)

Again, the lockdown did have some exclusions.


[edit on 27-8-2005 by Tinkleflower]

really now ?
I heard something else

TAMPA - Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left.

The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky.

The Saudis then took another flight out of the country. The two ex-officers returned to TIA a few hours later on the same plane.

Besides, it doesn't matter much when they were flow out now does it ?
You don't ship family-members of your prime suspect home without questioning them.

Second of all, Osama Bin Laden is STILL getting money from his family.

Ofcourse they're not telling you that on CNN.

Shroomery. You're making it sound like those relatives were somehow responsible for his actions. It's not like these folk were bin Laden's closest siblings....

These relatives left the country for their own safety.

And yes, it might actually make a difference as to when they were flown out, seeing as part of the controversy surrounds those flights taking place whilst the rest of the nation's flights were on hold.

Would you mind posting a link to the quote you mention? Thanks

The Bin Ladin family left on September 20th, some time after regular flights were allowed ( www.hillnews.com... ).

[edit on 27-8-2005 by ashmok]

There are all kinds of date's .. but does it really matter ?

www.saintpetersburgtimes.com...
www.worldnetdaily.com...
newsmine.org...
www.wanttoknow.info...


And how can you act like it doesn't matter that they are family ?
You know how Osama gets his money do you ? Through his family ..



[edit on 27-8-2005 by Shroomery]

The thing is, bin Laden inherited around $300m after the death of his father in 1968, though it's now estimated that his (Osama's) wealth was around US$25 million. This happened before his family disowned him.

It's not a huge leap in logic to conclude that his family ties had little, if anything, to do with 9/11; there was no need for Osama to approach the family (which, remember, is enormous) for money - he was more than able to support himself and, by extension (which includes donations from various NGO sources as well as certain private groups) Al Qaeda. And that's excluding the obvious bit about them disowning him entirely....

Unless you have some proof to the contrary?

(again, the dates matter to those who believe the entire family was involved).



[edit on 27-8-2005 by Tinkleflower]

Ok people, lets consider this though....Two weeks after the attacks, did we know that his family wasnt involved at all? Alls Im saying is that more questioning was needed. Alls they underwent was nothing more than a glorified passport check. They might have wanted to keep em around a little while longer. Ya never know what you could dig up.

I think if the family didnt have such close connections to the Bushes, they wouldnt have been treated to the crad blance treatment they got.

We never said they were directly involved.

The "official" story was that the family didn't have any contact with Osama when the attacks occured. This turned out to be false, as a matter of fact it turned out that he was STILL getting money from them. Wich proofs that they were still in contact.

Therefor it was MAJORLY important to question these family members.

Or are you saying that someone who is obviously sponsoring a suspect is not important to an investigation? And that they couldn't give the ivestigators any info on his location. It sure would've cut down on the square miles of mountain they carpet bombed.

But then again it never was their intention to capture him as has been pointed out.

Originally posted by Shroomery
The "official" story was that the family didn't have any contact with Osama when the attacks occured. This turned out to be false, as a matter of fact it turned out that he was STILL getting money from them. Wich proofs that they were still in contact.

This is the bit I want to understand more fully.

I need to see evidence of this, you know? Something tangible.

Which family members supplied the funds, and when.

Which family members knew of his whereabouts, and at which point.

(and yes, you are actually implying direct involvement if you're alleging the family knowingly supplied him with funds).

Help me out here?

Edited for spelling.

[edit on 27-8-2005 by Tinkleflower]

I've posted the links to several documentaries where this is discussed.

I URGE you to watch these, as they contain a lot of information that will broaden your view.

Here's one of those :
www.torrentspy.com...
imdb.com...

Also look for Nafeez Ahmed ahmed talkig on cspan, a docu I found on usenet but I'm sure there's a torrent.

Ofcourse this will take a bit longer then glancing at a website and disposing it as conspiracy material based on the domain it's hosted on.
But don't take that as a personal attack.

Look....heres my point.....if 10 days after 9/11, there are people running around this country trying to leave, and they have the last name of "Bin Laden" dont you think it MIGHT be a good idea to keep em around and "get to know them" a little better, rather than to assume they have nothing to do with it......

indeed Spliff, when I first heard this I went WTF.

There are obviously people here more concerned about the well being of the family of a terrorist then in the success of capturing the enemy.

Why bent your own beliefs to fit the governments story ?

Originally posted by Shroomery
I URGE you to watch these, as they contain a lot of information that will broaden your view.

You're assuming I didn't already. Bad move. (though admittedly, my recollection is terribly rusty. See below....)

Also look for Nafeez Ahmed ahmed talkig on cspan, a docu I found on usenet but I'm sure there's a torrent.

Ofcourse this will take a bit longer then glancing at a website and disposing it as conspiracy material based on the domain it's hosted on.

But don't take that as a personal attack.

Hah! As he throws out an IMDB reference as a source Seriously though, credibility is often an issue here. But it wasn't simply the domain that was the problem - my bad for implying such.

Nah, I don't take anything here personally. I'm a Brit, after all...stiff upper lip, stoic, all that rot.

As for Nafeez Ahmed, he's generally the first to concede that much of his work is purely theoretical...having said that, I've read a lot of Ahmed's material, and I absolutely and utterly agree with some of the conclusions he's drawn.

Some.

Not all.

Now I'm going to ask you to do something for me; I'm on dialup (ahem), and it's been some time since I viewed anything other than Foamy cartoons over this lousy connection. I therefore am very respectfully asking you to give me perhaps exact quotes, documents, etc, relating to the "family still supports bin Laden" matter. Would you be able to do that?

Then at least I can review what you're talking about (as my own memory is seemingly hiding under a mire of banana skins or something).

My recollection doesn't seem to bring to light much in the way of proof that his family was supporting him on/around 9/11. And Carmen Binladen doesn't count.

Spliff -

What of those relatives who didn't share the infamous name? Do we even know who they are? You can't suspect every family member, simply on the basis that they share the same name as the alleged perpetrator. You can't even fairly suspect those family members if they do share the same name.

I'd be horrified if (for example) a cousin of mine was "detained and questioned" for something I did, simply because he has the same last name.