CCP Official Claims Sino-Japanese War Possible by Year’s End

3.5 million people have withdrawn from the CCP. Everyone should recognize the CCP’s willingness to sacrifice the whole human world as the Party’s end draws near.

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
What Goering said is generally true, in fact Bush is doing the same thing in YOUR country as I see it.

As for ICBM's lemme check sinodefence.com some 3000 nuclear warheads, most land based, 98 at year 2000 is the estimated number of ICBMs. More then enough to cause major damage to the US, but y'know MAD tv... eh.

No.. Estimates range from 25 to 100 ICBMs capable of reaching continental USA from mainland china..not including SLBMs
Warhads estimates range from 300 to 3000..
Do you have a habit of topping off your figures??


hmmm.. Lot of new chinese blood on ATS..Wait till they come to the weaps/aircraft fora..

[edit on 19-8-2005 by Daedalus3]

Why would I join in to the weapons forums? I'm not on expert on hardware/software in weapon's systems, it interesting to view the discussions to take place but no need to actually join in. And from what I can tell "giving the total number of ICBM in China’s inventory 96." sinodefence.com

Though I admit that the site is an unofficial one but it is well reserched.

As for the number's of people leaving the CCP where do you get these numbers from? The Epochtimes has already been testified by a number of people here to be unreliable.

And no not even Hitler had the insanity and hatred to possibly sacrifice the world for his own ends, the CCP don't want to conquer the world only to help the eventual revolution as best they can without sacrificing China's own interests in it. After all who wants to be king of a parking lot?

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom


As for the number's of people leaving the CCP where do you get these numbers from? The Epochtimes has already been testified by a number of people here to be unreliable.

Testified by you and your several comrades here?

I don't even know these people or their political alignment for that matter. Why are you automatically assuming their communist? Just because they might have something to contribute that conflicts with your opinion? Wouldn't accusing them as being communist the equivilent of being McCarthiyst?

I think China owns a harbor and a few airfields in the US They could smuggle some nukes and stuff in that way.

Originally posted by Oct
3.5 million people have withdrawn from the CCP. Everyone should recognize the CCP’s willingness to sacrifice the whole human world as the Party’s end draws near.

Agree! I'm sure if CCP's existance is been threatened, it will not hesitate to send mushroom clouds across the world before they leave. They are definitely erm, "peace loving"

Anyway how can anyone deny the fact that Mao killed millions of innocent chinese? To deny that is to question the credibility of so many historians and history books. Are you saying we are telling lies to future generations? During the cultural revolution which is in fact a purge to eliminate all potential political opponents, many died of starvation when food production and transportation was hindered. What happens when city dwellers and professionals like scientists were sent to do labour in the countryside for free, and when those which replaced them aren't even qualified? So stop calling Mao your father. Take a look at what he has done to the entire human race and humanity. I'm really amazed when i see how successful is CCP's propaganda scheme. Mind control i mean.

[edit on 20-8-2005 by NotheRaGe]

[edit on 20-8-2005 by NotheRaGe]

I am not under the influence of drugs, hypnosis, or effective propoganda, or for that matter telepathic control from some sort of Protoss Dark Archon either. It's impossible ot have a reasonable discussion if you assume that the opposition happens to be mind controlled in every instance, esp. if they say something in defence for the CCP or the system.

You don't want to point such fingers espically if we can point those fingers at you in turn.

It's not him that killed millions of innocent people. It's his blindness that did. In other words everybody makes mistakes and his merits can not be overlooked or worn away by his later wrongdoings. In general, he is a generous man, a kind father and most importantly a great leader. Whatever he did, the motive was for public good regardless of what its consequence turned out to be. You are not necessarily try to overthrow PCC. They will dig their own graveyards if the corruption pervailing inside due to the system can not be seized.

isn't that the same kind of corruption that most capitalist countries have? I'm not argueing with you on that but I'm just saying that it mostly came with the mixed system according to your CIA factbook i think.

Chinas SSBNs have no shot against a preplanned US first strike (which I am assuming it would be, since that is our doctrine). They'd be the first thing blown out of the water. They supposedly have 24 SLBMs on their boomers, but like I said, it is doubtfull that they would get them off.

How are they any different from our boomers, in that, how would the U. S. know where they are? They could just sit on the bottom, wait out the exchange, hover and fire....just like we do.

In the end, its never the number of bullets you have, its how you use them.

But, I also agree with many others here...thermonuclear = no winners.

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
isn't that the same kind of corruption that most capitalist countries have? I'm not argueing with you on that but I'm just saying that it mostly came with the mixed system according to your CIA factbook i think.

No. That's not that right. The rich do have the privilege to rule but not those who are poor. But in China the things come to the reverse. Well, almost all the junior and senior officials(Excluding those who have something to do with bribery) are not rich, at least not rich enough compared with those who are the receivers of the policies made by them. Assuming you are a wise and meritorious leader of a great province, how can you put up with communicating and standing with someone who have always showed great obidience to you but meanwhile are richer than you(thus the material life is more accessible). That's why Singapore goverment had adopted the policy the connotation of which is to give the officials high salary to keep them away from being corrupted which is more than I can say about China. Concerning about the capitalists the have much less motive to accept bribery, and they have nothing to be corrupted, I think. Welcome to argue, my admirable friends.

1. When Wal-MArt pulls out of China, start to worry.
2. China is preparing to export autos to the US, at half the cost of what Japan and the US are currently producing. This is hard currency for them, why ruin it?
3. They have multiple contracts and engineers in Iran.
4. Unless there was a MAJOR terror attack in the US, hopefully the Taiwan issue can be resolved peacefully. I am sure if the US is attacked, China may invade in the confusion.
5. I am going to move to China and open American Food resturants. I can sell Peant butter and Jelly, and fried chicken, jsut like they have saturated 6. the US with Chinese food.

THere is a long history with Japan and China, and the attempted purchase of the F-22 for Japan, could they truly be scared?

7. Did you know that over 40 million people in China still live in caves? )thought that was interesting)

Originally posted by esdad71

7. Did you know that over 40 million people in China still live in caves? )thought that was interesting)

Urm... do you have a source for this?

-koji K.

It depends on how do you define "CAVE". In fact, in some provinces of north China, the people have been used to live in CAVE(with heated system and nature air condictioning) for hundreds of years.

Anyway, I believe there are more than 40 million people having poor living condictions. It should around 2%-10% of China population. I am not sure whether it is a serious situation compared with other developing countries.

Originally posted by esdad71
1. When Wal-MArt pulls out of China, start to worry.
2. China is preparing to export autos to the US, at half the cost of what Japan and the US are currently producing. This is hard currency for them, why ruin it?
3. They have multiple contracts and engineers in Iran.
4. Unless there was a MAJOR terror attack in the US, hopefully the Taiwan issue can be resolved peacefully. I am sure if the US is attacked, China may invade in the confusion.
5. I am going to move to China and open American Food resturants. I can sell Peant butter and Jelly, and fried chicken, jsut like they have saturated 6. the US with Chinese food.

THere is a long history with Japan and China, and the attempted purchase of the F-22 for Japan, could they truly be scared?

7. Did you know that over 40 million people in China still live in caves? )thought that was interesting)

[edit on 25-8-2005 by google_abcd]

The salary of China goverment officers has been increased a lot these days.
However I don't think it is the best way to resolve corruption problems.

Also, I totally disagree that rich people have have the privilege to rule the poor. Maybe it is the current situations in western countries.
If you take a look at the top 3 leaders of China, you will find out all of them are from poor families in countryside.

Most likely normal people will has more chance to be elected as president/chairman in China.

Originally posted by ZJ19840910

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
isn't that the same kind of corruption that most capitalist countries have? I'm not argueing with you on that but I'm just saying that it mostly came with the mixed system according to your CIA factbook i think.

No. That's not that right. The rich do have the privilege to rule but not those who are poor. But in China the things come to the reverse. Well, almost all the junior and senior officials(Excluding those who have something to do with bribery) are not rich, at least not rich enough compared with those who are the receivers of the policies made by them. Assuming you are a wise and meritorious leader of a great province, how can you put up with communicating and standing with someone who have always showed great obidience to you but meanwhile are richer than you(thus the material life is more accessible). That's why Singapore goverment had adopted the policy the connotation of which is to give the officials high salary to keep them away from being corrupted which is more than I can say about China. Concerning about the capitalists the have much less motive to accept bribery, and they have nothing to be corrupted, I think. Welcome to argue, my admirable friends.

[edit on 25-8-2005 by google_abcd]

Please be sure to consider that the CCP has been for a long time trying to improve the conditions of the average chinese.

And something interesting apparently the MMORPG Eve-Online is coming to China, for a while it looks like we'll have a seperate server for a while before it joins with the regular Eve universe, heh the Eve market is going to crash the minute the server's merge lol.

Originally posted by The Middle Kingdom
Please be sure to consider that the CCP has been for a long time trying to improve the conditions of the average chinese.

Improve the spirit control.
An 107 years old woman is fooled and joining into the evil party.

She is in the party??! As in holds a post??Are't there enough people in China?
She wouldn't last one day on one of these ATS flame wars, forget the chinese govt!!

Originally posted by Oct
3.5 million people have withdrawn from the CCP.

- Can you actually prove this claim with any credible sourcing?

Everyone should recognize the CCP’s willingness to sacrifice the whole human world as the Party’s end draws near.

- I think 'everyone should realise' something a lot more likely.

Some of those opposed to the politics of the Chinese gov (claimed by some to still be 'communist'; rather erroniously I would say) would say, exaggerate and/or invent almost any ludicrous story to promote their view.

China is, IMO, not going to start a war with anyone; China is enjoying an economy that is doing very well for herself and her people through global trade - and a war is the last thing which want.

Claiming they are, now, a mere few months away from a major war with Japan (no matter that supposedly some rent-a-quote nutter supposedly gave you the 'line') is, IMO, ridiculous.

The preparations alone for such a war would be impossible to conceal and that the rest of the world would have been shouting the alarm long ago.

I've seen many dumb alarmist threads on ATS but this one is up there with the worst of them, I'm sorry to say.

(BTW even the Chinese General's scary USA/nuclear comment you wanted to shove into this and repeat was covered here on ATS before and related solely - as most of these 'China talks of war' comments do - to him being asked a question about what China would do if attacked first.

But you left that part out, but just by mistake, right?
)


[edit on 27-8-2005 by sminkeypinkey]