NEWS: Robin Cook Dies

you really think that everyone who died from parliment was killed? how many old people in YOUR family have died? did u have a hand in that? this is a reach, even for this site. Listen to me people...

NOT EVERY DEATH IS A CONSPIRICY!!! PEOPLE DIE EVERYDAY...ONE DAY YOU WILL TO!

He was old and hiking.....2+2 always equals 4.

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You have completely misunderstood what I was saying, but nevermind, why don't you go and skin up or something? Smartarse.

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Let's try and keep this civil shall we.

There's no requirement for such petty bickering here. This is ATSNN, take it elsewhere.

Let's try to act with a little respect and decorum.

Jak

This brings back memorys from not too long ago. I cant remember but didnt a high doctor or some mp or somethin die in a similar way. He was found after going out for a country walk near his estate. Infact im sure it was supposedly suicide as he had supposedly cut his wrists

I hate to speculate but it sounds like a heart attack.

Most modern covert assassinations do...

Not saying this is one, but the amount of younger (relatively speaking) people in government who die of heart attacks (with no prior history of heart trouble), and the lack of the old-school sniper assassinations, sure does set the mind to wonder....no?

Originally posted by Gazrok

Most modern covert assassinations do...

Not saying this is one, but the amount of younger (relatively speaking) people in government who die of heart attacks (with no prior history of heart trouble), and the lack of the old-school sniper assassinations, sure does set the mind to wonder....no?

What would TB or others have to gain by killing someone as respected as Cook? TB would have no hope of holding onto power within the party let alone the country if it was even suspected that Cook's death was suspicious.

Spliff,
Well in response to your remark 'who really cares' well im afraid wrong again... he was widely expected to be the Foreign Secretary when the Chancellor Gordan Brown takes over as PM when Tony Blair resigns.

He had a bright future (conspiracy or not), and has had a massive influence on both domestic and Foreign policy, and was going to again in the near future. Like your recent posts, and position on the Famine in Niger, you once again show a lack of knowledge both in understanding the truth of a situation, and its historical context and precursors. As robin Cook did when he resigned from the government, And out of respect for his stand on Principals and the Truth,welcome to my ignore list... nothing personal just dont have the time for unfactual comments..

He will truly be missed, and it abundantly is a loss for both the British people, and world politics as a whole that he has died, (conspiracy or not).

A Foreign Secretary who tried and resigned over his unshakable belief in a

"Ethical Foreign Policy"

What a more peacefull, not starving, fair , Just and Happy World we would have if that would have become a reality for Britain, then America then the world.

Elf.

In order to backburner the grey's did it, can some you tell us the non UK members of ATS your feelings about the man. How he influenced you in both good and bad ways?

spliff why would terrorists blow up some one who advocated that we didnt invade Iraq? Also put 2 and 2 together and realise that if he had a heart problem he wouldnt be out hiking in the Scotish highlands! A little logic wouldnt hurt you some times.

FredT. I admired Robin Cook's stance against the War. He wasnt a typical politician who was all talk and no action. He didnt want this country to go to war on, now apparent, false pretences. He voted with his feet and resigned from his position in the government. He wasnt the only labour politician to resign/booted out of the government for opposing the Iraq war but he was so eloquent and god damn likable.

After leaving the government he spent some time guest hosting "Have I got News For You". It was a topical comedy about current events. He was hilarious on it and I just trusted him. For me to trust a politician is rare. He had no angle other than to do what was right for the British people, and the World at large.

He is a role model and I truly will miss him.

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For the first time in a long time, I am actually shocked and saddened at the death of a public figure.

He was a man of integrity and honour.

RIP

WOW!

Can't wait to find a possible audio file of his speach.

Though I am American, I would have stood tall , proud, and probably cried as this man delivered his resignation.

Imagine the intestinal fortitude, knowledge, and true to heart morals that it took, for someone who was so, obviously, passionate in regards to his public service, to stand before the House and basically lay it all out in Black-and-White; for all to see, taste, and digest. No pulling of punches, no ring -around-the-bush (no pun intended), and absolutely on the mark with every point!

He stood up, explained what was wrong, why it was wrong, and pretty much nailed every issue to the T.

The world, and world goverments, are in dire need of 100's , no make that 1,000's more like this MAN!

He would not lower his morals, beliefs, nor compromise his public service . . . just to fit in with the rest of the lemmings and go along for the ride.

Hats off to you, Robin!

Damn proud that you stood your ground and Damn sorry for your passing.

The differences that could be made by more people, like yourself, uniting for true cause and just will suffer without you.

Just a note to all Brits:

Stand tall, Stand proud, and STAND UNITED . . . tears for this great loss are perfectly in order, and may help draw HIS true cause, stand, and morality to all of our hearts!

Sorry for the rant . . . but more and more it seems that folks of this stature are becoming the minority.

Peace to all!

He was a man who has gained considerable credibility in the UK over the last 2 and a half years.

This was my favorite quote from the original post, and I doubt many picked up on it. Basically the author of the post is saying that the man wasn't all that credible until he became "anti-war." This is typical partisan thinking, and the type of thing that has been all-too-common lately on ATS. A person's political persuasion, beliefs, and thoughts on the Iraq war are completely independent of his credibility. Such a biased statement to make, especially at the time of one's passing. You're entitled to your opinion, but now you have hurt your own credibility in the eyes of any free-thinking ATS member who reads your submission to ATSNN.

And just so you know, credibility has to do with a person's honesty, integrity, and commitment. Someone who means what they say and doesn't intentionally mislead people is a credible person. Someone with a long history of the above-mentioned qualities traditionally would have increased credibility. Merriam-Webster identifies the meaning of credibility as: the quality or power of inspiring belief.

Sorry to go off on a rant like this. I just feel it was a very ignorant and politically self-serving statement to make. I feel the ultimate irony lies in the fact that the author of the thread hurt his own credibility with the statement, in my eyes at least.

Originally posted by Rasputin13

He was a man who has gained considerable credibility in the UK over the last 2 and a half years.

This was my favorite quote from the original post, and I doubt many picked up on it. Basically the author of the post is saying that the man wasn't all that credible until he became "anti-war." This is typical partisan thinking, and the type of thing that has been all-too-common lately on ATS. A person's political persuasion, beliefs, and thoughts on the Iraq war are completely independent of his credibility. Such a biased statement to make, especially at the time of one's passing. You're entitled to your opinion, but now you have hurt your own credibility in the eyes of any free-thinking ATS member who reads your submission to ATSNN.

And just so you know, credibility has to do with a person's honesty, integrity, and commitment. Someone who means what they say and doesn't intentionally mislead people is a credible person. Someone with a long history of the above-mentioned qualities traditionally would have increased credibility. Merriam-Webster identifies the meaning of credibility as: the quality or power of inspiring belief.

Sorry to go off on a rant like this. I just feel it was a very ignorant and politically self-serving statement to make. I feel the ultimate irony lies in the fact that the author of the thread hurt his own credibility with the statement, in my eyes at least.

My feelings are that the author was referring moreso to HIS accomplishments, and devotion, in regards to truly serving the people.

Like . . . Hey this guy's for real!

[edit on 6-8-2005 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by Rasputin13
This was my favorite quote from the original post, and I doubt many picked up on it. Basically the author of the post is saying that the man wasn't all that credible until he became "anti-war." This is typical partisan thinking, and the type of thing that has been all-too-common lately on ATS. A person's political persuasion, beliefs, and thoughts on the Iraq war are completely independent of his credibility. Such a biased statement to make, especially at the time of one's passing. You're entitled to your opinion, but now you have hurt your own credibility in the eyes of any free-thinking ATS member who reads your submission to ATSNN.

And just so you know, credibility has to do with a person's honesty, integrity, and commitment. Someone who means what they say and doesn't intentionally mislead people is a credible person. Someone with a long history of the above-mentioned qualities traditionally would have increased credibility. Merriam-Webster identifies the meaning of credibility as: the quality or power of inspiring belief.

Sorry to go off on a rant like this. I just feel it was a very ignorant and politically self-serving statement to make. I feel the ultimate irony lies in the fact that the author of the thread hurt his own credibility with the statement, in my eyes at least.

Well I know I stand by John bull 1's assessment of Robin Cook. He was well respected in Britain before he resigned from the Labour government but that shot him into prominance.

I am not a Labour supporter, I am a Liberal Democrat, and if I was being partisan I wouldnt sadly lament his passing. He resigned from Blair's cabinet, he still remained a true Labour man.

Here's the link to his resignation speach . . . it's in .mp3 format.

Robin Cook's Resignation Speech

The TEXT doesn't do it justice. The effect of the . . .here here . . . agreements by his peers truly hammers home the resolve.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
The TEXT doesn't do it justice. The effect of the . . .here here . . . agreements by his peers truly hammers home the resolve.

HERE HERE! That mp3 brought a smile to my face. Thanks for sharing the link with us all.

This is indeed sad news.

I am a conservative (American type)

Voices from all sides should always be heard regardless of where an individuals ideals may ly.

I just think it is absurd how quickly some jump to conspiracy.
"odd coincidence" one of you said..

what is so odd? people die every day and it seems like anytime someone who's opinions favor anti-war or anti-government dies, it's a shadow government cover up assaination.

Some of you give the respective gorverments too much credit.

he was my mp, so probably knew him better than most of you. he was definitley good at his job. but to say he was a man of honour and integrity is wrong.
he cheated on his wife with his secretary, only told her the truth when he knew it was coming out in the press. they were at the airport about to go on holiday, when he told his wife the truth. dumped his wife right there.
so where`s the honour and integrity now?

Whatever his personal problems were, they were his to deal with.

My respect for the man is based upon his resolve to public duty/position/job, etc.

Have been married for 17+ years. No, it hasn't always been a picnic, though I value my relationship with my wife to no end.

Any extra-marital interests are/were HIS personal issues and not necessarily a reflection on HIS resolve to public duty.

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Any extra-marital interests are/were HIS personal issues and not necessarily a reflection on HIS resolve to public duty.

You couldn't be more wrong.