Marx giving masonic handsign?

I'm just calling it as I see it guys. As far as I can tell the MM rites have died off and been resurrected so many times who know what they are like now.

From what he has posted I'm thinking that his MM Lodge might of came from the German-Reuss MM in the Pre-OTO days. (Mentions of priestess, and sex stuff) which I have never seen relating to the Masons.

Hell maybe his MM branch IS the NWO!

Originally posted by Cug
As far as I can tell the MM rites have died off and been resurrected so many times who know what they are like now.

From what he has posted I'm thinking that his MM Lodge might of came from the German-Reuss MM in the Pre-OTO days. (Mentions of priestess, and sex stuff) which I have never seen relating to the Masons.

Hell maybe his MM branch IS the NWO!

Which again, is a way of saying that he's so far removed from masonry (of any sort) so as to make his opinions and assertions of no particular weight when it comes to talking about what masons really do and believe.

Your witness, counselor.

Well what it all boils down to is should he call himself a Mason?

You guys say no.

He and his Lodgemates say yes.

And I'm staying out of that mess

I'll just say he is a Mason of the Memphis-Misraim rites as a middle position.

Originally posted by Cug
He and his Lodgemates say yes.

Correction: He says yes. I haven't seen anyone vouch for him except from the neutral position.

The fact remains that he doesn't seem to know - or at least he doesn't want to say - the correct terminology, and he seems to have some serious discrepancies between what he purports to know, and what others know about it.

I can't say, he may be what he says he is, but I stick by what I said - His behavior and demeanor do NOTHING to convince me of his stature as any kind of Mason, irregular or not. The way he talks, he might as well gotten his credentials out of the same Cracker Jack box the decoder ring came out of.

Originally posted by The Axeman
Correction: He says yes. I haven't seen anyone vouch for him except from the neutral position.

To be fair, I haven't "seen" any proof of affiliation for any Mason here, I don't expect anyone to post up their full name on any documents that I would need as "proof" just too many wackos in here for that.

Sometimes you just have to take a man at his word, He hasn't been her long enough for me to say there is no way he is a MM Mason (No trademark ) So far, the most I have seen is his sniping back at those that are sniping at him, none of that seems very Masonic to me. The rest of his posts seem to have a heavy occult slant, and that is one of the hallmarks of the MM rites.

Just an example is where moonchild said the G in the square and compass could also stand for Gnosis, seb then jumped on this as something no Mason would say (Not exact words but that's the impression I got from it.) then Masonic Light came along as said that it can indeed mean Gnosis.

Originally posted by Cug
Just an example is where moonchild said the G in the square and compass could also stand for Gnosis, seb then jumped on this as something no Mason would say (Not exact words but that's the impression I got from it.) then Masonic Light came along as said that it can indeed mean Gnosis.

Actually, all I said was that the only meanings given for the "G" in any masonic lecture is "God" and "Geometry". I never said "no mason would say that" or anything of the sort! I don't know how you could've gotten any other impression from that.

[edit on 8-8-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by moonchild
my pins have the g in the middle. the ''g'' can also stands for ''gnosis''.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
moonchild: I'm surprised that, as a supposed mason, you didn't even know the G stood for Geometry. Actually, I'm not surprised.

I never said "no mason would say that" or anything of the sort! I don't know how you could've gotten any other impression from that.

Rightly or wrongly, It seemed to me that you were implying just that. What can I say?

Maybe if you guys toned down the attack mode a bit (Just a bit) it wouldn't come out that way. You guys have every right to stand up for a system you love, but you really shouldn't treat everyone as a troll.

I know where your coming from, I mean damn, I follow the teachings of Satan himself Ol' Mr Crowley, and I had a part of the initiation rituals discussed in a open forum just a short time ago. (And damn it all, it reminded me of a part that I purposely forgot about, but at least I don't remember from what degree it came from)

Really I think this can be a great opportunity for you guys. If you discussed the MM rites and how and why they are not part of Masonry that might help people understand why say Crowley and others were not Masons.

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by Cug
the images he posted of his credentials were taken today according to the Exif info,

The credentials he posted had NO personal information. They could be anybody's, and he could've gotten them off the internet for all we know. NONE of the masons on this forum seem to believe he is a mason, and we are all VERY adept at recognizing our own. What does that tell you?

Actually, for a few minutes they did, then he relised it, and blured the name.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar


1. Wiggy

Yeah, I always thought that "Deny Ignorance" was something that anti-masonic people did.

" I am not stupid, its on freemasorywatch!!!!"

I would rather chase away ignorance, than to say that I was not ignorant.

Originally posted by The Axeman
Correction: He says yes. I haven't seen anyone vouch for him except from the neutral position.

The fact remains that he doesn't seem to know - or at least he doesn't want to say - the correct terminology, and he seems to have some serious discrepancies between what he purports to know, and what others know about it.

I can't say, he may be what he says he is, but I stick by what I said - His behavior and demeanor do NOTHING to convince me of his stature as any kind of Mason, irregular or not. The way he talks, he might as well gotten his credentials out of the same Cracker Jack box the decoder ring came out of.

*sight* i hate repeating myself so often like that.

1 - i vonlontarely blurred my name on my certificates. The exif info says the pictures were taken the same day i posted them. That should be sufficient as proof as i didnt find them on a website. Beside i blurred my name for protection purposes. Anyway, knowing my name or not is not relevant in this case. (my point of view, with my name i can be easily traced, i dont want me or members from my lodge receiving prank phone calls at 3 in the morning and other stupid stuff like that)

2 - as for the terminology, if you strare at my certificates long enough you should eventually realise that they are written in a strange language called french. Therefore all the material i study with is in french, and if this was a french forum, my terminology would be quite perfect, but its not, so i often have to use an litteral translation and this is not always exact. Ill be honest here, i dont know the english terminology of freemasonry, or very little of it. Id appreciate if you guys could take this like it is, a language barrier, and not ignorance from my part.

Because, the question remains, WHY THE HELL WOULD I POSE AS A FAKE FREEMASON (OR COWAN) ON A FORUM LIKE THIS? WHAT DO I HAVE TO GAIN FROM THAT? look at the trouble i have now, for every informative post i make, i have to post like 5 messages to defend myself from a few individuals who like to make stupid and unfounded accusations on me.


[edit on 8-8-2005 by moonchild]

[edit on 8-8-2005 by moonchild]

Originally posted by moonchild
look at the trouble i have now, for every informative post i make, i have to post like 5 messages to defend myself from a few individuals who like to make stupid and unfounded accusations on me.

Compare you and me for just a moment. After all, I too have presented myself as some kind of a mason on this thread. And no one has even seen my credentials yet. And yet . . . no one is attacking me for my posts. I've even gotten some mild applause. And despite what onlookers may presume, this isn't because masons are narrow minded. It's because they have modes of recognition, and of describing their symbols, that you never used, and in fact posted, well, the opposite.

Now watch this.

You posted something about the meaning of the letter G. Now watch while I do the same thing. let's compare the reactions of the people reading and responding to our posts.

The "G" is not usually described as meaning "God" in non-English speaking nations, since the word for the deity in most Romance languages starts with a "D" rather than a "G." (Including French. Hmmm.)

The letter G looks a lot like the arabic character for 100, laying on its side. And the explanation for this is that, according to Muslim tradition, there are 100 titles or names for God. The first 33 can be learned from human tradition (scottish rite?). The second 33 can be learned through reason and philosophy. And the final 33 names can only be learned by studying the Qur'an. And yet, this adds up to only 99 names. Why? Because, there is a 100th, final name for God. It cannot be learned by the human mind, because it it God's name for himself. It expresses Allah, not as we imagine him, but as he knows himself to be. And so, the "G" on the masonic emblem is actually a reminder, through the world's oldest family of languages (semitic) that God's nature, though mysterious to us, is known to himself.


Now watch, and see what kind of response MY post gets. Will outraged masons type in by the dozens, accusing me of being an impostor? Or will they u2u me, asking for details? And what is the difference? Why am I predicting that they will react positively toward my post, but not yours???

And remember, none of these fellows, not one of them, has seen any credentials from me. For all they've seen, I could be an 11 year old girl, the president or the pope. They don't know either of us.

Could it be, that I've identified myself as a brother, and yet, have still been respectful of things best left in the lodge?????

Could it be that I actually AM a mason?

1. I am not concerned with your certificates, it is your demeanor that gives me pause.

2. Fair enough, but you seem to be fairly fluent, and seeing as this is an English-speaking forum, and you are looking to shed "Light" as it were, one would think that you would make an effort. Like I said, I'm not saying you aren't what you say you are, I'm saying that your words and actions don't portray you as such, no matter how many times you say it.

Because, the question remains, WHY THE HELL WOULD I POSE AS A FAKE FREEMASON (OR COWAN) ON A FORUM LIKE THIS? WHAT DO I HAVE TO GAIN FROM THAT?

Why does MrNecros repeatedly claim that Freemasons murdered his toilet?

dr_strangecraft, if I hadn't voted you Way Above already today, I'd do it again.

[edit on 8/8/05 by The Axeman]