Have you christians ever thought that creation..

Well then I guess we are both at agreement.

Textthats only proving that the bible is more corruct. And first and for most The bible is from God and did happen. So Genesis is real and was the way God created earth. All I am saying is that evolution is what might some say God's power. God's 6 days may not, or maybe the same time in his way. But i figure evolution does not matter. The bible and god power is what matters.

God didnt use evolution to make the world from a big bang. he spoke everything into existance. Genesis is real, it is an eye witness account and no one can prove the contrary. God said it was in six days. Exodus said that he made it all in 6 days. its pretty plain that God madee it all in 6 days.
evolution is a process and an event that never took place. its religious. the only evolution we have seen is micro evolution, that is variation within the different kinds of animals. and that isnt even evolution, thats called a variation. God doesnt need to use millions of years of evolution to make everything. if he did, he would be a retarted god who couldnt get it right the first time. My God got it right the first time and let variations happen to give things its own unique and individual characteristics.

EC

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher

God didnt use evolution to make the world from a big bang. he spoke everything into existance. Genesis is real, it is an eye witness account and no one can prove the contrary. God said it was in six days.
EC

Wow! Combining ignorance and disinformation in an almost poetic way!

eye-witnesses?! are you kidding me?! are we to believe that your Adam and Eve wrote Genesis?

furthermore, you are arguing that God said it was 6 days - did God personally pen Genesis? and, you are using a translation of the word "days" that is a poor English translation of a word that is very well known to have meant something else entirely - it depends on the context.

this is the weakest argument that I've ever read on this site and there should be an award named after you for those who present such shoddy and totally unfounded arguments. Maybe there should be a new "Way, Way, Way Below Top Secret" award for the worst post.

Step away from the computer and get yourself a real education. Come back in 10-20 years when you've done some studying.

If you want to believe in the bible on a literal basis, that's up to you. But, you owe to yourself to at the very least try to know what your bible actually says and, here's a clue for you - you will not find it in the KJV of the OT. You may as well believe in what you find under the bottle cap of a Mountain Dew!

Originally posted by Al Davison
You may as well believe in what you find under the bottle cap of a Mountain Dew!

"Please play again" is much more profound than you might think.

furthermore, you are arguing that God said it was 6 days - did God personally pen Genesis? and, you are using a translation of the word "days" that is a poor English translation of a word that is very well known to have meant something else entirely - it depends on the context.

it is all over the bible in different original languages that it was done in six days. Genesis says that it wsa donein six days. Genesis was written by 10 different authors (eye-witnesses) one of them being God himself.
Exodus says it was done in 6 days.
Hebrews says that it was done in 6 days.
Jesus said that Adam was the first man.

the context is well understood.

EC

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
Genesis was written by 10 different authors (eye-witnesses) one of them being God himself.

:shk:

hey, just because you dont believe this does not make it false.
shake your head all you want, you dont have to believe in it. which is why we are on "Faith, spirituality..." forum

EC

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
hey, just because you dont believe this does not make it false.
shake your head all you want, you dont have to believe in it. which is why we are on "Faith, spirituality..." forum

EC

Genesis was written in the 7th century BCE. It could not possibly have been penned by god himself. I doubt even your Christian brothers would tolerate such thoughts without shaking their heads.

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
Genesis was written by 10 different authors (eye-witnesses) one of them being God himself.
Exodus says it was done in 6 days.
Hebrews says that it was done in 6 days.
Jesus said that Adam was the first man.

the context is well understood.

EC

If Genesis is what you claim,literal eye witness account of creation written in part by none other than God could you explain the glaringly obvious contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2.
Somebody clearly wasn't paying close attention.


Genesis 1

[[20] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
[21] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[22] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[23] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
[24] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
[25] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
[29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2

[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
[8] And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
[10] And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
[11] The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
[12] And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
[13] And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
[14] And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
[15] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
[19] And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
[20] And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
[21] And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Genesis 2 is a brief sumary of Genesis 1. from what I remember. its only of the 6th and 7th day. there is no contradiction whatsoever. read very closely and you will see that there is no contradiction.
try reading the KJV. its the most accurate version there is.

EC

Come on EC,do as you suggest I do and read it very closely the factual contradiction is obvious.As far as I'm aware the above is from the King James bible which is also the only version I have read.I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the bible and neither am I a christian but this doesn't mean I've not got a bible and haven't read it.
Genesis 2 does appear to be a more detailed explanation of the end of Genesis 1 but do I really need to point out the contradiction if this is taken as a literal fact as to the exact details of creation.

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
God didnt use evolution to make the world from a big bang. he spoke everything into existance. Genesis is real, it is an eye witness account and no one can prove the contrary. God said it was in six days.

Some Christians in antiquity sometimes understood the details of creation (as opposed to the fact) as being a parable, told to Moses. For instance Eusebius of Caesarea in book 1 of his Chronicle suggests this about Adam in Eden.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Originally posted by warthog911
but have you christians ever thought about our creators being aliens?
[edit on 25-7-2005 by warthog911]

We are warned by God to not be deceived. We are also told that a LIE will be believed in the end times. I am not saying it is, but this could be, the lie or a part of the lie that will be told by "aliens" right before the return of Christ.