Beginning Magick Spells

Chaos magick is all about being open to new information and not being limited to a belief system, so I guess it's hard for people who are convicts of their convictions to understand this.

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by the way this statement is not directed towards enyalius' post in any way.

[edit on 28-7-2005 by DruidTek]

to "learn" about magic you study many different forms. one reason is to understand other ways more and to find ways to counter it in case of an "attack". the second reason is to have a wide foundation to fall back on. only problem is that you know a lot of theory from books and conversations with people who follow that path themselves.

chaos magic is difficult to define. no matter what people believe it is not an evil type of magic. the main view is that...you can set something in motion, but you don't know the outcome of it. due to the chaos factor it differs every time. it's nice to play with at first but after a while you can see it's more predictable then you think...so chaos isn't really there, except to the untrained eye. most people that follow chaos magic do it because they don't want to be a part of the "defined" directions. it's more of a statement to be against a lot of things. these are wanna-be chaos magicians that don't really know what it is about.

also "attacks" by chaos magicians...i mean...there were about 8 trying to perform a ritual to stop me. me personally, why i still dont know. when i found out i went over astrally to check out what they were doing. re-directed their energies to a storage of mine and then knocked them all down. these people weren't wanna-be's and practiced it for quite some time...so i can tell they're not weak. so the magic itself must be. only reason for the weakness i found so far is...it's not a type of magic which is fully supported by the "gods", as many people refer to them. it's more like a side dish to white or black or grey or any form of element.

the whole way of thinking behind it...it's...well just read the chaos manual hehe and find the contradictions yourself. you'll just be neglecting yourself so many more usefull things.

if you want "chaos" i suggest following the way of the Tao. it has a will of it's own and you work together with it. you can ask the Tao to work with you, but if it doesn't want to it'll go another direction as it pleases.

too me chaos magic is nice for a short period when you first start with "magic". a lot of people i know thought so too before they became druids or shamans.

[edit on 28-7-2005 by Enyalius]

^ very eloquently put - there are many different aspects to Magick and to limit yourself to one set of 'dogmas' as he said is only going to stagnate your progress. I have had similar groups try to direct their energy at me and it is all too easy to throw the energy back at them as they are generally weak minded people who are clinging to each other for direction and support as most 'belief systems' seem to encourage for the obvious reasons.

But anyway, I'm probably taking this thread a little too far from the subject, my recommendation is to move towards destroying your ego and fears step by step, bit by bit, and to reprogram your brain towards it's 'higher self' through any means you desire at the time and always remember that you never have to believe or disbelieve in anything anyone says etc.

so tek...are you a druid? or is that just for show in your name? just curious

Originally posted by wang
Even thought i must admit im abit of a warez man i dont like to pay for things, and its hard to find all of crowleys books on the web.

errr.. Just about everything Crowley has ever written is on the web!

www.hermetic.com... - Magick in Theory and Practice
www.hermetic.com...
www.the-equinox.org...

Those 3 links have 90% of what anyone could want.

Originally posted by Toelint
Even the pros only practice a few spells a month. (during High Ceremonies)

Well that depends on what you call a "spell". I do around 8 magical acts a day.

Anyway if you want to start doing Magick you should note how the many magical groups work. Most of them start you off on book learning and a few basic ceremonies. There is a reason for this, Magical practice is not without dangers.... and no it's not that a demon will eat your face off. The true danger is one of the ego.

If your just starting off and start doing some of the "bigger" things like Enochian or one the many grimoires like the Greater/Lesser Keys of Solomon. You just might end up visiting those nice young men in their clean white suits. If your more advanced the "attack" on the ego could lead you into thinking your better than you are, or that false results are the correct ones, or other things like that.

Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft.

A great book for beginners into the Craft

every book other then first print isn't worth using.

why? because first prints are made for the real users. and in all the other prints there are errors put in. giving people an idea how it works, but not the excact tools and information.

Originally posted by Enyalius
why? because first prints are made for the real users. and in all the other prints there are errors put in. giving people an idea how it works, but not the excact tools and information.

Not really. Besides try and find a first edition of Agrippa's "Three books of Occult Philosophy" that was published in the 1500's. Even someone more recent like Crowley, the prices for first editions are out of range for most people.

You also need to take account of the fact most later editions often have additional footnotes that are of great value (The modern edition of Liber ABA for example).

Hi there.

I know that many of you will already be familiar with this, but as there has been no mention of it so far, I thought I'd stick my oar in regarding a safe first ritual, as this can get rid of most nasties on is likely to encounter on the road to adepthood.
The first ritual I learned was the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, although I've personalised it now with some of my own symbolic imagery.
It has come in useful on many occasions for me, and I had no ill effects when I was learning it (In fact, the opposite).
I have dispelled many unsavoury 'atmospheres' with it, and it always comes in handy as a preliminary to any working.
Tha Qabalistic Cross (The first and last part of the ritual) also acts as a really good protection ritual if you don't actually want to banish anything.

Hope this is helpful.
I.A.
Interesting posts, by the way (Except for the one about sin).

Here, I'll give you a REAL reply (no offense intended!)
Here's some interesting things I learned:

Dream Recall:

1. Preparing for Bed: Get body relaxed. Strech if you must. Maybe meditate for next step. Have pen and paper ready for the morning.

2. Programming: Most important part! When you get to the borderline sleep level, before sleep, tell yourself thatyouwillremember all your dreams and you will wake up after each and write them down. If you can't, try taping yourself saying that, from 10-15 mins.

3. Taking Notes: Also very important. If you wake up after each dream, you must write down everything you can remember. Try to sleep again and repeat the process.

4. Reviewing the Night: You will be amazed at how many dreams you had, usually about 10-15 dreams a night and sometimes more! If you had intense dreams in color you most likely had an OBE (Out of Body Experience).

Astral Projection:

1. Simply lay down with the lights off. Be completely relaxed. Clear your mind.

2. Imagine your astral body, may look like grayness in the shape of your body. Imagine it lifting and floating out of your body, up to the ceiling.

3. Try to see your body lying down. If successful, either float around a little or go travel!


Cloud Scrying:
Having too few or too many clouds is no good for scrying. The best is when the clouds are thick.
Find a nice location to lie down and just relax. Try not to focus on any one cloud but rather allow the clouds to drift across your view.
Visions cannot be forced, they will come naturally when the time is right.

Talking to your pet
: If you have a pet cat and would like to know what it is saying when all your mortal ear can hear is a meow get your cat to sit still in front of you and say
tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat!
to be extra sure the spell works tap the cat in between the ears 3 times before you cast the spell

Sorry it's soo long.
Hope that helped!

I started reading everything I could about the different systems before I started practicing it, but ultimately, I stopped (and became a Christian), but I think its good to try these things, so I'm not going to tell you not to, just be careful please. Consider trying to find some torrents on the books before you buy them, but I recommend buying them since rituals are generally easier with a book in front of you and print outs could ruin it (bad print, missing words, some muppet's edited it etc).

I eventually chose Elemental Magick as my starter for ten, and then moved into different aspects once I could ultimately remember all the spells from those books I had read on Elemental Magick. I moved into related things like Angelic Magick, tried Solomon and then Chaos. I also tried natural magick's such as Druidism, 'Witch magick' and such.

The most important part of all of it is belief and ultimately your mind - belief in what your doing and how it can affect you is ultimate. I recommend you consider reading the thread on the law of attraction here on ATS, it might be beneficial.

If you're in the UK I could give you some of my old books that I've kept, since I don't use them anymore. Send me a U2U if you are interested.

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I Practice Spells And Magick. Talk To Me If You Need Help. x

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Hi mcs1627,

Well, I bet you didn't expect that did you ? Is your head spinning yet ? If you ever wondered what Pandora's Box was ... this is it my friend.

This is why I chose to become a 'solitary' about 20yrs ago ... too many cooks and all that !!!

Some of the advise posted here is very good ...whilst some is well (it's what I call 'TBPS' ... the biggest pentagram syndrome)... my way is better than your way etc.

The reality is that you will eventually find your own way and tailor what you learn accordingly ... this makes your magicks stronger because you put your personal vibration/resonance into them.

But I believe you simply asked how to get started ?

I have no intention or desire to jump into this mosh-pit of writhing witches but I will u2u you some information on how to get started (gently). It will be up to you if you want to try it out or not.

Either way don't try to start too big ... no-one can become an expert over night ... although many have thought they could.

Bright Blessings. Woody

Before you bother with ANY of that stuff you should study Language, linguistics.. there is more magick in words than the words in magick.

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
Before you bother with ANY of that stuff you should study Language, linguistics.. there is more magick in words than the words in magick.

what do you mean exactly? are you talking about words having a mystical power, meaning are they the medium or gateway acting as an intermediary to perform magick, like mantras etc, or are you talking about words having natural power in society and relationships, ie persuasion, conveying love and hate?

Originally posted by banyan

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
Before you bother with ANY of that stuff you should study Language, linguistics.. there is more magick in words than the words in magick.

what do you mean exactly? are you talking about words having a mystical power, meaning are they the medium or gateway acting as an intermediary to perform magick, like mantras etc, or are you talking about words having natural power in society and relationships, ie persuasion, conveying love and hate?

Well, can you explain to me how you understand what I am typing to you?
do you understand how verbal language is processed or how you know what to say without thinking of each word first?
now Language doesn't necessarily have to verbal, or written... although that is a great start considering we use it everyday.

That which you learn in those texts and ancient scriptures is language and patterns, and language is patterns and patterns are more than languages but to understand the languages you have to look at the patterns that make up that language, and there are different languages for different GOALS, but to understand that you would first have to understand language and how these goals are first formed in the mind before they even become these wonderful patterns, symbols and languages.

The above was written in a confusing manner on purpose.

Language is a very unconscious process, and if you want to 'dabble' in magick I suggest you have an expansive knowledge of languages and their inherent patterns or you are like a baby in a God's world.

If you want spells, you need the pattern or language to get to the goal... you cannot cross a bridge that isn't there.

To take from the ether and bring into reality, you need to be a master craftsmen, dare I say or compare and say a master mason although I distance myself from them not for any particular reason.

A true magician or sorcerer can create bridges out of thin air.

I hope my metaphors don't escape you.

[edit on 2/12/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
I hope my metaphors don't escape you.

no, not at all. i think that's a fantastic way to view it, and i would agree with you on this. everything has a near mechanical way in how it works in this world, and everything can be decoded. it's our understanding of said mechanics or language that would allow it to be decoded.

i just didn't know how literal you were being.

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My feeling is that "magic spells" as you call them are not nearly as important as spiritual progress. I would forget about it and concentrate on why you want that power in the first place.

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The best thing you can do is do your research and do what speaks best to you.
No one here can tell you what to do.