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Abkhaz Leader Has Ordered Army To Sink Any Georgian Ships In Its Waters
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Saakashvili says Georgia has liquidated 60 Spetsnaz servicemen on the Tiakani height near Tskhinvali!
Georgian units liquidated 60 spetsnaz servicemen of Russian GRU – President Saakashvili
Georgian units liquidated 60 spetsnaz servicemen of Russian GRU – President Saakashvili
09.08.2008
The Georgian military units have liquidated 60 spetsnaz servicemen of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (GRU), news agency Novosti-Gruziya reports, referring to a statement by the President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili
Saakashvili the gambler...
The Beleaguered President: High-stakes gambler who risked his country and links with the West
I'm still puzzled by the western media's lack of response to the Georgian massacre of civilians in Tskhinvali. It's like it never really happened...
The Beleaguered President: High-stakes gambler who risked his country and links with the West
12 August 2008
Mr Saakashvili in recent days has looked like a man who bit off more than he could chew. It's still unclear who started this messy little war, with each side pointing accusing fingers at the other. Russia has clearlybeen spoiling for a fight, but it seems hard not to conclude that the vital hand in a very risky card game was played by Mr Saakashvili himself when he ordered a full-on assault of South Ossetia last Thursday night. He called Mr Putin's bluff, and Mr Putin, with some trademark harsh words, laid down a full house – not just repelling the Georgian assault on South Ossetia but launching attacks all over Georgia.
I'm still puzzled by the western media's lack of response to the Georgian massacre of civilians in Tskhinvali. It's like it never really happened...
Bush's War in Georgia
"Georgia could have used the years of Saakashvili's presidency in different ways - to build up the economy, to develop the infrastructure, to solve social issues both in South Ossetia, Abkhazia and the whole state. Instead, the Georgian leadership with president Saakashvili undertook consistent steps to increase its military budget from US$30 million to $1 billion - Georgia was preparing for a military action." Naturally, Russia is worried about these developments and has brought the matter up repeatedly at the United Nations but to no avail.
Israeli arms manufacturers have also been supplying Saakashvili with state-of-the-art weaponry. According to Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz
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Abkhazian units have started operations against Georgian troops in Abkhazia
Abkhazian units begin operation in Kodori Gorge
12.08.2008
Abkhazian troops have started an operation to squeeze Georgian troops out of Kodori Gorge, Abkhazian Foreign Minister Sergei Shamba told Itar-Tass. The information was confirmed by the Georgian Defence Ministry, which said the operation was launched at 06:00, Moscow time.
The minister said that before Tuesday the Abkhazian Air Force and artillery have been delivering missile and bomb strikes on military objects in the upper part of the Kodori Gorge. Units of the regular troops and reservists of the armed forces of Abkhazia are taking part in the operation on Tuesday, according to Shamba.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Abkhazia is not interested in peace talks with Georgia...
“But we made the conclusions for ourselves that there is no point in talking with the Georgian side after what has happened in South Ossetia,” he said. “We have tried many times to somehow look for ways of the dialogue, but we were increasingly disappointed and understood that this is senseless. Now these barbaric actions and shameless lie at last tore off the mask, and showed the vanity of such peacekeeping projects and senselessness of this whole project. It is not worthwhile to talk with this regime at all. Force should be met by force,” Shamba said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Abkhazian units begin operation in Kodori Gorge
12.08.2008
Abkhazian troops have started an operation to squeeze Georgian troops out of Kodori Gorge, Abkhazian Foreign Minister Sergei Shamba told Itar-Tass. The information was confirmed by the Georgian Defence Ministry, which said the operation was launched at 06:00, Moscow time.
The minister said that before Tuesday the Abkhazian Air Force and artillery have been delivering missile and bomb strikes on military objects in the upper part of the Kodori Gorge. Units of the regular troops and reservists of the armed forces of Abkhazia are taking part in the operation on Tuesday, according to Shamba.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Abkhazia is not interested in peace talks with Georgia...
“But we made the conclusions for ourselves that there is no point in talking with the Georgian side after what has happened in South Ossetia,” he said. “We have tried many times to somehow look for ways of the dialogue, but we were increasingly disappointed and understood that this is senseless. Now these barbaric actions and shameless lie at last tore off the mask, and showed the vanity of such peacekeeping projects and senselessness of this whole project. It is not worthwhile to talk with this regime at all. Force should be met by force,” Shamba said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
What does "liquidating" 60 spetsnaz really mean?
From Dictionary.com
liq·ui·date [lik-wi-deyt] verb, -dat·ed, -dat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to settle or pay (a debt): to liquidate a claim.
2. to reduce (accounts) to order; determine the amount of (indebtedness or damages).
3. to convert (inventory, securities, or other assets) into cash.
4. to get rid of, esp. by killing: to liquidate the enemies of the regime.
5. to break up or do away with: to liquidate a partnership.
–verb (used without object)
6. to liquidate debts or accounts; go into liquidation.
[Origin: 1565–75; 1920–25 for def. 4; < LL liquidātus, ptp. of liquidāre to melt, make clear. See liquid, -ate1]
—Synonyms 1. discharge, clear, erase, cancel.
So did they Discharge, clear, erase, or cancel the spetsnaz?
Or is this just an example of sub-par reporting?
[edit on 12-8-2008 by ThreeDeuce]
From Dictionary.com
liq·ui·date [lik-wi-deyt] verb, -dat·ed, -dat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to settle or pay (a debt): to liquidate a claim.
2. to reduce (accounts) to order; determine the amount of (indebtedness or damages).
3. to convert (inventory, securities, or other assets) into cash.
4. to get rid of, esp. by killing: to liquidate the enemies of the regime.
5. to break up or do away with: to liquidate a partnership.
–verb (used without object)
6. to liquidate debts or accounts; go into liquidation.
[Origin: 1565–75; 1920–25 for def. 4; < LL liquidātus, ptp. of liquidāre to melt, make clear. See liquid, -ate1]
—Synonyms 1. discharge, clear, erase, cancel.
So did they Discharge, clear, erase, or cancel the spetsnaz?
Or is this just an example of sub-par reporting?
[edit on 12-8-2008 by ThreeDeuce]
Medvedev has ordered a halt of all Russian military operations against Georgia.
BBC: Russia 'ends Georgia operation'
Breaking News
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, the Kremlin says.
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However, Russia has been highly critical of Georgia's leadership, and there were no signs of imminent talks.
Before the announcement, there were fresh reports of Russian warplanes bombing the Georgian town of Gori.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
BBC: Russia 'ends Georgia operation'
Breaking News
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, the Kremlin says.
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However, Russia has been highly critical of Georgia's leadership, and there were no signs of imminent talks.
Before the announcement, there were fresh reports of Russian warplanes bombing the Georgian town of Gori.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Georgia declares Abkhazia and South Ossetia occupied territories.
Saakashivili: Georgia denounces treaty on Russian peacekeeping mission in Abkhazia
Georgia denounces the treaty on Russian peacekeeping mission in Abkhazia and declares Abkhazia and South Ossetia occupied territories.
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We made a decision, along with denunciation of the Russian peacekeeping mission in Abkhazia, I said that to the US president and other world leaders the day before, to declare the Russian army an occupational army and declare Abkhazia and South Ossetia occupied territories,” Mikhail Saakashvili said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Will Russia pull out of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, if they are replaced by peacekeeping troops from the UN or EU? If Russian troops pull out of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, can a massacre there be prevented? Remember Srebreniza? ...
Saakashivili: Georgia denounces treaty on Russian peacekeeping mission in Abkhazia
Georgia denounces the treaty on Russian peacekeeping mission in Abkhazia and declares Abkhazia and South Ossetia occupied territories.
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We made a decision, along with denunciation of the Russian peacekeeping mission in Abkhazia, I said that to the US president and other world leaders the day before, to declare the Russian army an occupational army and declare Abkhazia and South Ossetia occupied territories,” Mikhail Saakashvili said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Will Russia pull out of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, if they are replaced by peacekeeping troops from the UN or EU? If Russian troops pull out of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, can a massacre there be prevented? Remember Srebreniza? ...
Abkhazian troops have "liberated" the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia.
Abkhaz Rebels Exult Over 'Liberation' From Georgians
August 13, 2008
Jubilant rebel troops proclaimed the "liberation" of Abkhazia as they surveyed a remote gorge abandoned by Georgian forces, who dropped weapons, ammunition, and clothes in their flight.
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"Abkhazia has been completely liberated, there are now no Georgian troops on our territory. Abkhazia has reinstated its territorial sovereignty, we are just happy we have peace," Alexander Melnik, the unrecognized state's defense minister, told Reuters.
Russian troops did not appear to have been present before or during the assault. This correspondent has not seen a single soldier in Russian uniform since they pulled out two days ago.
"They left just before the operation started," Melnik said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Abkhaz Rebels Exult Over 'Liberation' From Georgians
August 13, 2008
Jubilant rebel troops proclaimed the "liberation" of Abkhazia as they surveyed a remote gorge abandoned by Georgian forces, who dropped weapons, ammunition, and clothes in their flight.
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"Abkhazia has been completely liberated, there are now no Georgian troops on our territory. Abkhazia has reinstated its territorial sovereignty, we are just happy we have peace," Alexander Melnik, the unrecognized state's defense minister, told Reuters.
Russian troops did not appear to have been present before or during the assault. This correspondent has not seen a single soldier in Russian uniform since they pulled out two days ago.
"They left just before the operation started," Melnik said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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Norwegian journalists interviewed people in Tbilisi. The people were crying because they've heard from relatives and friends in Gori, that hordes of
criminals were now raiding, robbing and raping the people of Gori. When the Norwegian journalists asked who's to blame for this, they all shouted:
"Saakashvili!". Then they said that Saakashvili is "a complete idiot" and that he should resign!
From here:
Dagbladet: Han er en komplett idiot (in norwegian...)
From here:
Dagbladet: Han er en komplett idiot (in norwegian...)
Peace Plan
Medvedev signed a French-brokered peace plan today. It was already signed by Saakashvili. However, it seems like someone had changed the document that was signed by Saakashvili, and something is missing in the document. Someone seems to be gambling here. Who changed it? Saakashvili or the US? Very risky. Don't they want peace?
Russian president signs Georgia peace plan-2
16/ 08/ 2008
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed on Saturday a French-brokered plan on resolving conflicts in Georgia, aggravated following Tbilisi's assault on its breakaway South Ossetia on August 8.
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However, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday that the document signed by the Georgian president differs from the peace plan worked out by the Russian and French presidents.
"We are somewhat bewildered by the fact that the document signed by Saakashvili differs from the document worked out by the presidents of Russia and France, so the issue is still to be specified via diplomatic channels," Sergei Lavrov said.
He said the document signed by Saakashvili lacks the introductory clause.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Medvedev signed a French-brokered peace plan today. It was already signed by Saakashvili. However, it seems like someone had changed the document that was signed by Saakashvili, and something is missing in the document. Someone seems to be gambling here. Who changed it? Saakashvili or the US? Very risky. Don't they want peace?
Russian president signs Georgia peace plan-2
16/ 08/ 2008
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed on Saturday a French-brokered plan on resolving conflicts in Georgia, aggravated following Tbilisi's assault on its breakaway South Ossetia on August 8.
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However, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday that the document signed by the Georgian president differs from the peace plan worked out by the Russian and French presidents.
"We are somewhat bewildered by the fact that the document signed by Saakashvili differs from the document worked out by the presidents of Russia and France, so the issue is still to be specified via diplomatic channels," Sergei Lavrov said.
He said the document signed by Saakashvili lacks the introductory clause.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Medvedev: Russia Will Pull Out Troops On Monday
Medvedev says Russia will withdraw their troops on Monday. The Russians says Georgia is planning to carry out attacks in the area of Gori, dressed in Russian uniforms.
Russia will pull out troops on Monday - Medvedev
August 17, 2008
Russia will begin withdrawing its army from the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict zone on Monday, according to President Dmitry Medvedev. It means troops will return to the positions they held before the outbreak of fighting.
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The Russian Defence Ministry says it has intelligence that Georgia is planning an act of provocation against its servicemen in the town of Gori.
It believes that Georgians are forming military groups and planning to carry out attacks in the area, dressed in Russian military uniforms.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Medvedev says Russia will withdraw their troops on Monday. The Russians says Georgia is planning to carry out attacks in the area of Gori, dressed in Russian uniforms.
Russia will pull out troops on Monday - Medvedev
August 17, 2008
Russia will begin withdrawing its army from the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict zone on Monday, according to President Dmitry Medvedev. It means troops will return to the positions they held before the outbreak of fighting.
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The Russian Defence Ministry says it has intelligence that Georgia is planning an act of provocation against its servicemen in the town of Gori.
It believes that Georgians are forming military groups and planning to carry out attacks in the area, dressed in Russian military uniforms.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Here's an interview with Saakashvili on CNN. Interesting to hear him saying that Russia leveled Tskhinvali in order to blame it on Georgia. I don't
believe him. Anyway, here it is:
There's a thread discussing this video here:
Saakashvili was unable to answer CNN (by tehdreamer)
There's a thread discussing this video here:
Saakashvili was unable to answer CNN (by tehdreamer)
Interesting read. The perfect wrong war.
South Ossetia: The perfect wrong war
Click the link to read the whole thing
South Ossetia: The perfect wrong war
August 14, 2008
By now, days after Georgian forces stormed the capital of south Ossetia and Russian units counter attacked across the breaking away province and beyond; a devastating war has spread across the Caucasus causing death, destruction and displacement of populations. All wars are terrible -- even the legitimate ones where country, freedom and survival at are at stake. But this war is particularly unnecessary, could have been avoided and above all is wrong; in fact I call it the perfect wrong war.
Click the link to read the whole thing
reply to post by Hellmutt
In that video, Saakashvili actually says that "Russian bombs" leveled the "peaceful mountain town" Tskhinvali totally. As if it was a Georgian city inhabited by Georgians. Did the Georgians use Russian bombs when they attacked Tskhinvali?
In that video, Saakashvili actually says that "Russian bombs" leveled the "peaceful mountain town" Tskhinvali totally. As if it was a Georgian city inhabited by Georgians. Did the Georgians use Russian bombs when they attacked Tskhinvali?
Gorbachev on CNN
Gorbachev tells Larry King about the Georgian assault on Tskhinvali.
Gorbachev tells Larry King about the Georgian assault on Tskhinvali.
Jewish Quarter wiped out in Tskhinvali.
An entire Jewish Quarter has been wiped out as a result of Georgia's military offensive in Tskhinvali. Witnesses in the South Ossetian capital say there's hardly a home standing in the area where the city's Jewish population lived.
Refrigerators
According to Russian intelligence, Georgia planned a provocation...
Russian military intelligence does its thing to try to convince the world about regular Georgian plot
According to Russian intelligence, Georgia planned a provocation...
Russian military intelligence does its thing to try to convince the world about regular Georgian plot
21.08.2008
The Russian military intelligence source said today that the special-task units divisions of the Ministry of Defence of Georgia, taking out remains of the Georgian soldiers from the ouitskirts of Gori by the refrigerators had to turn those trucks back after appearance in the mass media of the report on preparattion of a large scale provocation.
According to the GRU source, the column of refrigerators "changed its route and an arrival time". However, according to Russian military intelligence, the destination remains the former, Tbilisi. The source allo maintained that the number of refrigerators had increased.
South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Nagorno Karabakh to be recognized on August 25?
Seems like Russia and Armenia might recognize Nagorno Karabakh, South Ossetia and Abkhazia on August 25! What about Transnistria? Will they also call for independence? Could this trigger more war in Georgia and a greater war in Azerbaijan?
Nagorno Karabakh can be recognized by Armenia simultaneously with Russia recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia
08/22/20
According to a REGNUM European diplomatic information source, the official Yerevan may recognize the independence of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic on August 25. “There is apprehension that Yerevan may recognize Nagorno Karabakh independence simultaneously with Russia recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia,” the source said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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Seems like Russia and Armenia might recognize Nagorno Karabakh, South Ossetia and Abkhazia on August 25! What about Transnistria? Will they also call for independence? Could this trigger more war in Georgia and a greater war in Azerbaijan?
Nagorno Karabakh can be recognized by Armenia simultaneously with Russia recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia
08/22/20
According to a REGNUM European diplomatic information source, the official Yerevan may recognize the independence of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic on August 25. “There is apprehension that Yerevan may recognize Nagorno Karabakh independence simultaneously with Russia recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia,” the source said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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