Free Masons. Good or Evil?

Originally posted by orangeman dave


I've never heard as much bull in my life

Agreed. I would never morph into a reptilian in my car. The standing rule is to always wait until the Lodge door is closed.

Free Masons. Good or Evil?

well since they turn into reptiles, I vote for evil. I have never met a snake that was trustworthy. They always act like a.......well.....like a snake in the grass. "Ding" oh there is the bell. It must be Medication time. Did somone not take their pill last time?
Reptiles. Bwahahahahahah.

The brain, I mean train has left the station.

I am not a fan of the supernatural, however, since the masons have retained a significant degree of knowledge through the ages I would say good for this reason alone, baring anything else... have no prob with the good ole boy network either so long as they aren't idiots haha...

[edit on 22-5-2009 by miragezero]

reply to post by Masonic Light

I usually do it after I cross the threshold of the Lodge...it's usually a mad dash from the car. I just can't wait to get out of my skin.

reply to post by network dude

Not all reptiles are snakes. I'm more of a chameleon.

[edit on 22-5-2009 by KSigMason]

Having conversated with a few high level Freemason's I will say this :

The overall group is not bent on destruction, global enslavement, depopulation or any of that nonsense. As with any group out there the select few radical fringe elements are the ones bent on chaos and disorder.

The overall scope of the American Freemasonary is a good and noble one but it's the small fringe element that keeps them under the watchful eye of those looking to blame them for everything out there.

The Freemasaon's are just a very small fraction in the overall New World Order orginizational structure.

This stance was developed and taken after countless hours of debate over the suspicion that they were involved somehow in 9/11. They are not and can assure the public that they had nothing to do with it.

Watch Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission and The Council On Foriegn Relations as those sects are more of a threat to humanity as a whole then the entire Order Of The Freemasons.

They have strong beleifs on community and teach all to not let minor bickering be allowed to engage conflict of any kind. Their baseline structure teaches how to become a better person by reiteraiting the bonds between family, community, faith and whatever else and not to be a burden on society bent on causing and creating evil and destruction.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by TheImmaculateD1]

On the evening of the Boston Tea Party
the logbook for the Masonic Order in Boston
states:

"Not enough members present for a quorum"

Source: Silas Downer, Forgotten Patriot

So what? They didnt have enough members to open the Lodge. I guess that makes them guilty. I would have been pissed if I had taken my precious time to get all dapper to only find out there was no metting.

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that was the basic gist of what i thought. The thing I question is, although freemasonry itself is not bad..isn't possible that without the knowledge of other masons, isn't it possible that those that are hell bent on negative causes make their own unofficial group within masonry, who may do or talk about...a number of things i'm sure we could all imagine.

This is what would ruin the bad name or image. And if those who are meeting in secret in an unorthodox to traditional masonry fashion, they will make the rest of the masons look like busy work sects as compared to whatever it is the darker side is trying to accomplish..



[edit on 28-5-2009 by EctoCooler HiC]

Originally posted by EctoCooler HiC
The thing I question is, although freemasonry itself is not bad..isn't possible that without the knowledge of other masons, isn't it possible that those that are hell bent on negative causes make their own unofficial group within masonry, who may do or talk about...a number of things i'm sure we could all imagine.

Yes.

An element within a society known as the Royal Order of Jesters has recently stirred up a *lot* of controversy.

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oh my god. this thread is absurd. you people actually believe in freemasons? seriously that is so stupid. im sorry but its true

Freemasonry is good for free masons, evil for others, and ok for some.
I meet a freemason in person, he tried to convince me of how good the fremasonry is. In stead of giving him my version and what I think of it I thought I'll change a bit my aproch and ask him something else.
So I told him, why do you waste your time to try to convince me otherwise. Why is it so important to you? He did not have an imidiate answer but he responded after a while that it's for the image of the fraternity. So my logic dictated to me that I ask why does it? Who cares how masonry is seen?

It's simple.
Only religion is concerned about it's image.
Only a corportation is concerned about it's image (for profit)
Either way it's a negative answer for masonry.
If it's like a corporation then masons want profit and want to gain profit.
If it's like religion then it's religion and masonry is a religion.

Anything that is concerned about it's broken image has an intrest.
I'm a guy, I walk in to a bar and I am aware that I'm all fresh and I care about my image. I have an intrest, maybe I'll hook up with a girl.
I'm not going to worry about my image for nothing. There has to be something in it for me.

Masonry is a group of intrest like any other group that acts as a defender to it's content. Otherwise some one would say "dude who the hell cares what they think, I'm not going to spend years on this forum just to argue for the sake of masonty"

But they do....but they do....

reply to post by SlayerRock

Are you saying Freemasons are make believe? That's absurd.

reply to post by pepsi78

Why is it so important that you defame Freemasonry? And no religion and corporations are not the only entities that is concerned with their image. Freemasonry is not a religion or a corporation. By all logical definition we are not either.

Just because we are concerned with reversing the damning defamation of liars. Yes, we have an interest in our image because we do good work, but then someone goes out there and says the opposite.

For someone quoting the logical process you sure put out some non-sequitir arguments.

Originally posted by SlayerRock
oh my god. this thread is absurd. you people actually believe in freemasons? seriously that is so stupid. im sorry but its true

WOW...are you that ignorant that you don't know they exist?

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Why is it so important that you defame Freemasonry? And no religion and corporations are not the only entities that is concerned with their image.

Then it will be simple for you to give other examples I'm sure.
Who else is concerned with it's image that is on the defensive.

Freemasonry is not a religion or a corporation. By all logical definition we are not either.

I am sorry but I do not agree with you.

Just because we are concerned with reversing the damning defamation of liars.

And to who might this be adressed?

To the members of masonry?
To the people like me?
To other people that don't care?


Because that is all there is.
So why all the concern?
The only reason I see would be not to be exposed.

Yes, we have an interest in our image because we do good work, but then someone goes out there and says the opposite.

This has nothing to do with good work, it's ilogical.
We contadict all the people that are critical of masonry because we do good work? Good and contradiction are not alike and do not relate.

The logic is, you do something good, someone comes and tells you something that is not true then an argument would be irelevant for you because you doing it for yourself and for people like you.

Other groups besides people like you are the critical side, and people who just do not care about your version or any version at all.


It's just ilogical to be critical of things that are not true, if this is the case.

I can take apart masonry and find negative things.

reply to post by pepsi78

The only reason I see would be not to be exposed.

Freemasons in the forum have been labeled Satanists, perverts, various shades of evil and stupid, they've been called murders, rapists, and it's been stated and allowed to stand that "The only good masons is a dead Mason" at least twice in this forum that I'm aware of.

So, I see ample reason to be defensive and to attempt to ward off defamation.

reply to post by pepsi78

It's absurd to claim only the greedy is concerned with it's image. Because we are fighting back against your lies doesn't make us bad. Yes, we're trying to fix our image after decades, centuries of defamation.

I was addressing those who defame the group without any real knowledge.

What is there to be exposed? We are not a secret society, we are a private society with secrets. Of all the allegations throughout time, there has yet to be any wrongdoing proven.

It has everything to do with good work. We strive to help the community, but somehow it gets twisted by liars to be viewed as a misdeed. That affects our image.

What are you expecting to find when "you take us apart"? What wrongs have the Freemasons supposedly done?

Are you so poisoned that you have to find something negative in everything?

It's absurd to claim only the greedy is concerned with it's image. Because we are fighting back against your lies doesn't make us bad. Yes, we're trying to fix our image after decades, centuries of defamation.

For who may I ask?
For who are you trying to fix all that?
Can't you see it's an ilogical answer ?

A) for your selfs?
B) for people like me?
C) for people that don't care?

The rest of categories called others are a minority, very few in numbers.

What is there to be exposed? We are not a secret society, we are a private society with secrets. Of all the allegations throughout time, there has yet to be any wrongdoing proven.

A private society with secrets is a secret sociaty.
A scecret society is not about just evil or good.
Seen from a neutral point oif view it's a society that is private
and has it's secrets. To have access you have to become a member and take a pledge, and that is the term for a secret society.

It has everything to do with good work. We strive to help the community, but somehow it gets twisted by liars to be viewed as a misdeed. That affects our image.

Everytime you state we do good work you incriminate your self more and more. People that really do good things don't brag about it, because they have no intrest. Madona or Angelina Joly will help kids in africa and then brag abot that because it's a publcity stunt.An intrest.

What are you expecting to find when "you take us apart"? What wrongs have the Freemasons supposedly done?

Just little social things that are upside down

Originally posted by pepsi78
For who may I ask?
For who are you trying to fix all that?

If the image of Freemasonry is improved, the membership will increase and more good men will benefit from what Freemasonry has to offer.

If the image of Freemasonry is improved, the membership will increase and more good men will benefit from what Freemasonry has to offer.

The ones that do join will join any way. You know it's not for that.
People die in the army, but they join anyway.
Even when going to the curch you do it for intrest, you go out of fear, and some do it for apearance. See, even going to the curch holds intrests.
I'm refering in general.


In this world there is few people with good intentions, the rest of the world is just based on intrest. This is the point I wanted to get to.
It's why it's so irelevant that masonry try to fix things for this issue.

This hocus pocus stuff ...for the good of others, and good stuff for the benefit of the handicap or disfavored is just a smoke screen.
The more you say it the more it incriminates you, because people are just like you, they are people. Who is going to take you serios I wonder.


Further more your argument in contradiction.
I herd endless time masons saying, we don't care what others think or ignorance is a bliss, let the mass doom it';s self.

So I take it it's not for the image, you could care less, it's for defence, for anti-exposure. If things like this keep going on soon masonry willl become poitless and one small branch will colapse out of many.





[edit on 8-6-2009 by pepsi78]

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My best friend is interested in Freemasonry, but will not join because of the bad image and stories about the organization.

You may theorize all you want, but I'm speaking from personal experience.