is NASA holding back evidence of man made structures on Mars?

Originally posted by GoldEagle
The fact is that erosion is much slower on Mars. It's atmosphere is very dry. Sand storms are harsh but would not really erode a massive structure that much even over millions of years.

I don't think you are comprehending the massive size, duration, and eons of instance of these storms. Massive storms hardly loddy-dah by. When a storm is such that it covers and entire planet, harsh is long past. You've obviously never been in a sand storm, damn things will strip the clothing off you.

Some Examples:

Quote: On Mars, erosion has also been vigorous enough to destroy craters.
Marstoday.com

Quote: The storms are very similar to hurricanes on Earth.
Space.com

Storm Article & Photo
20% Of Surface / 1997

Storm Article & Photo
Northern Hemisphere / 2002

Storm Article & Photo
Global Storm / 2001

Misfit

Misfit you posted a very intresting observation. I was lead to believe that erosion on Mars was alot slower even with the fact of sand storms and high winds. Mabey it wipes away craters due to them being low setting on the ground for sand to accumulate more rapidly.

Large rocky objects would form "ditches" around them giving it the look of being on an elevated mound from aerial photos.




This also gives the illusion of roundness on the face's features. You people dont really see the face like I do so I drew up a diagram of the face which includes a contour map of the rocky outcropping and the surrounding features.



As you can see the face is NOT what it appears to be. Nothing but light and shadows. All it is is a rocky outcropping.

If you to see more about the concept of rocks forming "ditches" in sand around them from wind erosion, consult this picture.

electricocean.com...


[edit on 7/20/2005 by GoldEagle]

[edit on 7/20/2005 by GoldEagle]

I've built a 3D image of the "face" of Mars. This is very close to how this thing would look like in an isometric view that I can make it with my limited resources. Some exagerations have been added to show details. I made this because it is sometimes difficult for people to get a mental image of what this thing looks like even with a contour map.


[Above] This image is based on the new photos of the "face". It is very hard to detremine the actual height of the mountain so I best estmated them on the shadows behind the "face".


[Above] Unlike the one Richard Hoagland and Company compiled, mine are based on the most recent images of the face.

P.S. Back to Misfit's statments on how aliens would not use the same methods of doing stuff as we do, I completely agree. Richard Hoagland keeps implying that Cydonia has angles and measuments that are too coincidential to be natrual. The thing is, did aliens measure there angles in degrees? Or distances in miles? His math was high school (hmm...) in determining the angles and measuments, he had no valid scale to refer to either! He was proven wrong by a mathematician and never discussed the results since. Did aliens use numerology? No. Did they measure things like we did in miles and degrees? No. Did they build structures on Mars? No. Did the build Iapetus with all it's freaky terrain angular? NO, stop saying it is!

I would like to hear some responses, also if you request I'll get more camera angles of the "face" that I made in 3D if you want images of particular features. I'll work on a higher-res 3D map if the need be.

GoldEagle

There are no man made objects on mars. The planet is dead. The core died out a long time ago and even then i highly doubt the planet was stable for a intelligent race such as humans. The only thing i can remotly see ever living on that planet are under devolped cells or molecules

It seems rather strange that in the 9 planets of our solar system, Mars is there so tantalizing and mysterious. It's the only habitable looking planet. Venus and Mercury are also terrestrial, in that they are formed of rocky matter and solid in composition. Earth is also terrestrial as is Mars. These 4 inner planets are different from the outer 5 (or six if you believe in Planet X at the 10 spot) in that the outer five are comprised of gas, given as they haven't been cooked solid by proximity to the sun.

But here mankind wonders all the time about whether we're alone in the univesre or if there may be many, many other blue green orbs much like ours, with maybe the same types of life living and breathing.

And there we have Mars, so much like the deserts of Earth all over it's surface yet redder because of iron I think. And with mysterious formations that make us wonder what's on that planet that isn't much smaller than ours. I mean the portential to terraform Mars is so high that it's almost cosmic irony that such a world could exist so close to ours. Someday I'm sure humanity will eventually colonize Mars and give it atmosphere and plant growth and eventually seas and oceans.

Did you know that the largest mountain in the solar system is located on Mars? It goes by the name of Mons Olympus and is over eighty thousand feet high, nearly 3 times the height of Everest. Gas giants like Jupiter don't have mountains, only swells and ebbs due to the gravity of their moons and the Sun. I also find it odd that there are well over one hundred terrestrial moons in our solar system. Jupiter and Saturn alone, which are the principal massive planets here, have dozens of moons between them, all potential colonization points.

Mars, the God of War. Earth, his sister.

Hello members,
the strange structures on Mars has caused many people to believe that there is life on mars. The examples of monuments found on Earth is too numerous to be coincidence. This is an example of a site that believes in life on Mars raphaelonline.com...

The Silbury Hill and other artifacts are discussed in www.aulis.com...

Others say that Nasa doctored the colors www.goroadachi.com...

The last photo to the right of the site above has a triangle with a circle in it, just like one of the crop circles in:
www.chamateahouse.com...


Where do I stand from all this? I say that it is too absurd to believe in aliens and stuff. Nasa doctored the photos. That is very much easier for my mind. There can simple be no such numerous structures that so much resemble Earth structures made by aliens. www.metaresearch.org... with Nefertiti so detailed as such, it is not coincidence, nor an alien work.
Remember that NASA members are in Freemasonry that believes that they have built the pyramids and structures on Earth. They are simply putting their signs. This disrespect of ppl's intelligence is shocking.

I am sure that there is a sign of Freemasonry with the eye in a triangle which also appears in a crop circle. I am not so sure that the circle in the triangle is a sign of freemasonry, but it is strange that it appears in a Marsian photo. To me, there is no aliens, no structures, no nothing. It is Freemasons out there fabricating these hoaxes on people.
best regards

If there were aliens on Mars, they obviously liked it cold......

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A study of meteorites chipped off the surface of Mars suggests the planet has been frozen for 4 billion years and probably never had the warm wet conditions that could have given rise to life, two researchers said on Thursday.

Their study of two meteorites that fell to Earth suggests they were never in warm conditions. The report, published in the journal Science, contradicts theories the now-frozen planet may once have been warm enough for life to have arisen.

"First, we evaluated what the meteorites could have experienced during ejection from Mars, 11 to 15 million years ago, in order to set an upper limit on the temperatures in a worst-case scenario for shock-heating," said Benjamin Weiss, an assistant professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He did the work while a graduate student at the California Institute of Technology.

They concluded the two meteorites were unlikely to have been above the boiling point of water during their ejection from the martian surface 11 million years ago.

Then Weiss and fellow student David Shuster measured the amount of argon remaining in the samples.

Argon, a gas, is known to leak out of rocks at a rate that depends on temperature.

The cooler the rock has been, the more argon will have been retained.

"The small amount of argon loss that has apparently taken place in these meteorites is remarkable. Any way we look at it, these rocks have been cold for a very long time," Shuster said in a statement.

Their calculations suggest the Martian surface has been frozen for most of the past 4 billion years.

"On Earth, you couldn't find a single rock that has been below even room temperature for that long," Shuster said.

From Reu ters

www.metaresearch.org...

I think ther's something there...And it ain't natural!

[edit on 22-7-2005 by cosmokatt7]

[edit on 22-7-2005 by cosmokatt7]

Originally posted by cosmokatt7


www.metaresearch.org...

I think ther's something there...And it ain't natural!

Dead link

Tried morning and aftenoon.

Misfit

The so called 'glass tubes' on mars are simply sand dunes. There is no evidence for life on mars, let alone vast monument making civilizations.

Dear Nygdan
How can such perfected tube shaped things be sand dunes? I don't understand how can you percieve it that way, so I would be thankful if you explained.
best regards

raphaelonline.com...

how can the above be sand dunes?

Wind, you may want to read this link, optical illusions are causing nearly all of the anomolies, people tend not to understand and jump to conclusions.

www.badastronomy.com...

Dear GoldEagle,
maybe what you are saying is true, but the structureson Mars are too numerous to count. Have you seen the Silbury hill and Avebury at the Aulis link I have posted how it matches exactly by angle, tetrahedral pyramid on the circle and far away? Have you seen Nefertiti, with all her details, even the eyelashes are said to be there? Have you seen the Peruvian face in the first link I have posted? Or the Pyramids that are on the previous equator of Mars exactly as the pyramids of Earth are on its equator? What about the triangule engraved in a rock that has a perfect circle in it? Come on, do you believe that ALL these are coincidence and made by nature? No one would say so, unless he is a blinded person. I am sorry I didn't want to attack Phil Plait, but I consider myself insulted by this disrespect for ppl's intellligence. They have the guts to speak and speak while all these anomalies crop up.
To conclude,
Considering the photos in the links, only too conclusions are possible:
1-there was life on Mars- a completely absurd one.
2-NASA's Freemasonic organization has faked the photos, not forgetting to insert their freemasonic symbols in. That is clearer for one's mind.
regards

when looking at the face and pyramids some might see this. yet, there are always two perspectives: flip it upside-down...




if you look at high resolution pictures of the face you can still see the face, but that's only because you're looking for it. if you had glanced at the high-res photo to begin with you would not have seen it. then if you looked at the rock with the face you'd probably say they were different photos.

the pyramid concept is just something for people to believe in. something so they can say 'yeah aliens exist', or 'once there was some race living on mars'. hate to be the one to burst that bubble but there is no face and there is no pyramids on mars.

Again read EVERYTHING in this site www.aulis.com... and you will probably know what I mean. Quote:"Located to the south east of the city is a large five-sided pyramid (known as the D& M pyramid). As Erol Torun, a geomorphologist at the American Defense Mapping Agency has stressed, an object with five straight sides cannot be formed, or at any rate cannot be maintained, by the action of wind and weather. For the force that is sharpening one face will at the same time be causing any existing opposite straight sides or edges to erode."

Click on the photos in the site and do a google search about people who have studied this. Coincidence there is against every odds. There are too many monuments.

www.mars-earth.com...

read this also. They say that high-tech computers declare the monuments as artificial. I have even viewed a site that remarkably shows a face that resembles in its tiniest details the stone sculpture of an Afrikan woman face created probably by past civilizations. This can't be coincidence, nor can it be aliens. It is NASA devaluing ppl's brains.

paranormal.about.com.../XJ&sdn=paranormal&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metaresearch.org%2Fsolar%2520system%2Fcydonia%2Fasom%2Fp ressconf_nyc.asp

The above link probably will not open, so go to paranormal.about.com...

and click on the second "here" . Hope it will work.

i wonder how do you edit your post..
anyhow, before clicking the second "here", click on "Artificial Structures on Mars" , then click the second here.