The London Bombing: Why did British Gov Fail to Warn the Poeple?

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
One thing is for sure, the only group who benefits from this tradgedy is the Bush administration. They are desperate to keep England's troops in Iraq and desperate to get traitor and criminal Karl Rove's name out of the headlines.

How can any American make such a disgusting claim and still call himself an American? Can your hatred for Bush be so overwhelming that you would post such a claim to an international board where there are plenty of our enemies to use such stupidities for their own purposes? How about al-Qaeda, or did you forget about bin Laden and the entire Islamic fundamentalist movement?

This statement is so completely irresponsible that it is tantamount to screaming fire in a crowded theater.

[edit on 2005/7/8 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
One thing is for sure, the only group who benefits from this tradgedy is the Bush administration. They are desperate to keep England's troops in Iraq and desperate to get traitor and criminal Karl Rove's name out of the headlines.

How can any American make such a disgusting claim and still call himself an American? Can your hatred for Bush be so overwhelming that you would post such a claim to an international board where there are plenty of our enemies to use such stupidities for their own purposes? How about al-Qaeda, or did you forget about bin Laden and the entire Islamic fundamentalist movement?

This statement is so completely irresponsible that it is tantamount to screaming fire in a crowded theater.

[edit on 2005/7/8 by GradyPhilpott]

Maybe if Bush father hadn't decided to train al-Qaeda or bin Laden (as a CIA operative) then we wouldn't have to think about getting back at these groups of people for 9/11 in the first place. I don't really think I even need to go into all of the 9/11- Bush questions that are yet to be answered to anybody's satisfaction.

Maybe you should blame those who turn coat and use their training to attack those who supported them. You shouldn't blame the betrayed because of the actions of the betrayers.

Your mood is insulting to an entire nation. Your allegations are insulting to an entire nation. Your entire mini-bio is an affront to an entire nation.

Truth In Labeling

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Your mood is insulting to an entire nation. Your allegations are insulting to an entire nation. Your entire mini-bio is an affront to an entire nation.

koryosborn
Prescott Bush- American Nazi
Member
Registered: 12/22/2004
Mood: anti-american

Well, you can't say koryosborn is keeping it a secret.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Maybe you should blame those who turn coat and use their training to attack those who supported them. You shouldn't blame the betrayed because of the actions of the betrayers.

Your mood is insulting to an entire nation. Your allegations are insulting to an entire nation. Your entire mini-bio is an affront to an entire nation.

what you're saying pretty much describes the way of thinking for most of the cows here in america that are just being led to the slaughterhouse. just forgot about all of the things the politicians have done to get us to this point (which is not a good place to be if you haven't noticed) and let's focus on these "terrorists," which they pretty much suspect anyone as being one. what we'll do is just start limiting their freedoms little by little so that they don't notice, and use "security" as the pretext. i have a hard time recognizing security when its done by limiting MY freedoms. that's exactly what they'll start doing in the uk now that they've been vicitmized by "terrorists" and they'll use america as a template since bush has a 4 year headstart on blair. don't forget that if our leaders didn't get us into these situations in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. if your only argument is that i'm being unamerican, you win.

[edit on 8-7-2005 by koryosborn]

Originally posted by Memorialday1999
What if you were wrong in your reaction?

What if you are wrong and I am right, in my contention?

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Look into it.

And btw, you're talking to someone who served honorably in the military; someone who does not find Judith Miller of the New Yawk Times to be a great hero, as journalists would have you believe. She's in jail right now because her aliegence (sp?) is to saving a criminal and traitor. (Kind of like that scuzzbucket Susan McDougal during Clinton's great turmoil.) They won't talk. They gotta save their precious sources. I can't help but wonder how many of our good men and women in service to this country have lost their lives because of the outting of VALERIE PLAME?

Someone needs to go down and hard over that.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
One thing is for sure, the only group who benefits from this tradgedy is the Bush administration. They are desperate to keep England's troops in Iraq and desperate to get traitor and criminal Karl Rove's name out of the headlines.

How can any American make such a disgusting claim and still call himself an American? Can your hatred for Bush be so overwhelming that you would post such a claim to an international board where there are plenty of our enemies to use such stupidities for their own purposes? How about al-Qaeda, or did you forget about bin Laden and the entire Islamic fundamentalist movement?

This statement is so completely irresponsible that it is tantamount to screaming fire in a crowded theater.

[edit on 2005/7/8 by GradyPhilpott]

To your remarks I say, everyone's got an a-hole... just like an opinion. You and I obviously are in possession of a different set of facts.

Blair had announced he would be pulling British troops from Iraq. Rove was in the news. Not only that, but Bush’s approval rating is at an all-time low and his support for the war in Iraq is drastically waning in the US. AND the G8 focus was set for global warming and aid to Africa. Terrorism was on the back burner. These blasts in London put terrorism in the forefront again.

Terrorism is a tactic, not something concrete that we can track down and destroy. It would be wonderful if we could. There is evil in the world. There are people who use the tactic of terror everywhere. I know it feels more secure to think that if we go ‘over there’ and kill all the bad guys or terrorists, the world will be a better place, but the truth is that the bad guys or those who would use terror are everywhere.

There are other solutions, other ways to protect ourselves and deter terrorism, which is all for another thread.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Blair had announced he would be pulling British troops from Iraq.

Benevolent Heretic, I am failing to find anything to support your assertion, cause according to this June 29, 2005 article from the BBC, your assertion, along with EastCoastKid's "facts", are error/ incorrect/wrong.

Another substantiating article:
Blair Tells AP Troops Must Stay in Iraq

As such, the above linked articles would also make EastCoastKid's assertion of Bush's "desperation" to keep UK forces in Iraq in error/incorrect/wrong. I am quite positive and have enough faith to believe that if I am in error or out of the time loop here, that EastCoastKid will produce those evidences to correct/counter my mention.

Maybe I missing something here....
To clarify my misguided sense of understanding of what the above articles mention being they seemingly run counter to your assertion, can you provide a link(s) to substantiate your above quoted assertion?

Thank you, sir.



As for this mention:

as posted by EastCoastKid
To your remarks I say, everyone's got an a-hole... just like an opinion. You and I obviously are in possession of a different set of facts.

Yep. Apparently so, EastCoastKid, especially since the articles linked above counter your continued factoid assertion(s).

Please do, when applicable, feel free to provide those "facts" that are in your possession that you seem to be using to make such ludicrous and outlandish assertions and claims with.

I certainly hope, for your sake, they are not from those alternative news sources that you keep pulling from.





seekerof

[edit on 9-7-2005 by Seekerof]

another thing to remember has we all continue to play the 'who done it games' is.... you have to decide if the govt is truthfull or not in it information it 'gives' the sheeple. as for me..i look at the past lies, misinformation and 'bad intel' given out by those who run things and then made MY desicion about if i will believe the govt................................

EastCoast Kid

Lets not get carried away. 9/11 was obviously something very suspitious. id had conspiracy written all over it from minute 1, and never let slip from that point on.
Now if you believe that Al-Qaeda is/was a government creation to pursue a foreign policy, then all subsequent terror attacks which they try and blame on AL-Qaeda will be part of the conspiracy, whether there were warnings or not.

However, fact is from my perspective here in south london, we are at least doing an investigation. which is what people should be doing, unlike 9/11 from what i saw..
So if there was some false flag sinsister operation behind this, we might get more knowledge on it by following the proper police investigation.

I dont personally think there is any evidence of a conspiracy in this yet, if you are the type that thinks the war on terror is real, which is most people.

Police not warning people isnt really an argument of a conspiracy, because they have been saying for ages that 'its only a matter of time' and that we have foiled plots already. Plus they cant just stop people going to work on every warning they get, that would be ridiculous.

Now Galloway has no inside info on any terror attacks, like me he is suspitious that this is mind games and that there is a deception behind it, so if you ask him could there be future terror attacks, i know what his answer will be every itme. But seriously the guy has no inside info on this stuff.

It remains to be seen if things start getting suspitious, investigations blocked etc.
There are already loads of things you are not hearing about, i ahve heard rumours of bombs on three busses, of a shooting in canary wharf, which i heard a guy who works in one of the towers talk about, of more bombs being diffussed in Edinburgh, someone told be birmingham city center was shut down, but he doesnt know why. The list is endless.

Personally though, so far, i see no evidence of any conspiracy with this incident (even though i think there is one). I am waiting because i suspect it to develop in a way that suggests i am right.


edit: btw, european al-qaeda posting responsibility. Reminds me of operation gladio

[edit on 9-7-2005 by AdamJ]

Its so funny it doest matter where the attack occurs, who claims responsibly or what kind of attack it was people will always blame the US govern for it. Heck a freaking asteroid can hit mars and I bet we would have people here on ATS blaming the US government for it. US bashing for everything and anything wrong in the world even when you have - evidence seems like a popular sport now day’s. Its truly said it has come to this

As NWO FSME and Government Council member at ATS, you would think i'll be the first person to scream conspiracy. The fact is, there isn't really anything to go on. NSA and GCHQ, the two biggest global "eavesdropping" agencies didnt find any evidence or intelligent that an attack was going to happen. CIA have even checked their intelligence and they have nothing, the fact is, this is straight out of the blue.

Please dont get confused that this is related to New York and Madrid, the London attack points to domestic terrorism. The chances are its a cell claiming to be linked to Al Qaeda, not the top dogs from Al Qaeda. Bin Laden probably didnt have any involvement in this at all, heck, he probably has just find out it happened.

Why didnt the British government tell us? cause they didnt know. All these "conspiracy theories" about the UK becoming a police state are false cause Blair has publicaly said he isnt going to introduce authotarian laws and Charles Clarke has even admitted that ID cards would not of prevented the attack.

And Israel was warned? pfft....how come Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said to the press that Israel was not warned of the attacks?

breakingnews.iol.ie...

Whats really sad, is that sites like propagandamatrix.com and prisonplanet.com have tried to "profit" of this attack with their "theories"


[edit on 9-7-2005 by infinite]

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Blair had announced he would be pulling British troops from Iraq.

Benevolent Heretic, I am failing to find anything to support your assertion...

I do apologize. And in fact, it wasn't Blair, but the Ministry of Defense. So again, my apologies. I was using them synonomously and going on the assumption (Ack!) that this was accepted fact. I'm not sure whose word takes priority, but the announcement was made.
MoD Plans Iraq Troop Withdrawal - July 4, 2005

I certainly hope, for your sake, they are not from those alternative news sources that you keep pulling from.

I don't know if you consider the Financial Times an alternative news source or not.

[edit on 9-7-2005 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by infinite
As NWO FSME and Government Council member at ATS, you would think i'll be the first person to scream conspiracy. The fact is, there isn't really anything to go on. NSA and GCHQ, the two biggest global "eavesdropping" agencies didnt find any evidence or intelligent that an attack was going to happen. CIA have even checked their intelligence and they have nothing, the fact is, this is straight out of the blue.

Please dont get confused that this is related to New York and Madrid, the London attack points to domestic terrorism. The chances are its a cell claiming to be linked to Al Qaeda, not the top dogs from Al Qaeda. Bin Laden probably didnt have any involvement in this at all, heck, he probably has just find out it happened.

Why didnt the British government tell us? cause they didnt know. All these "conspiracy theories" about the UK becoming a police state are false cause Blair has publicaly said he isnt going to introduce authotarian laws and Charles Clarke has even admitted that ID cards would not of prevented the attack.

And Israel was warned? pfft....how come Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said to the press that Israel was not warned of the attacks?

breakingnews.iol.ie...

Whats really sad, is that sites like propagandamatrix.com and prisonplanet.com have tried to "profit" of this attack with their "theories"


[edit on 9-7-2005 by infinite]

i dont understand how you can be a 'NWO FSME and Government Council member at ATS,' and then go ahead and believe the offical press announcements by governments on what they knew. Crazy

I remeber hearing on the news a few time that there was no intelligence about these bombings... thats why nobody was informed.

Originally posted by AdamJ
i dont understand how you can be a 'NWO FSME and Government Council member at ATS,' and then go ahead and believe the offical press announcements by governments on what they knew. Crazy

Yeah, but i dont have to believe every crazy theory that has been brought forward.

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by AdamJ
i dont understand how you can be a 'NWO FSME and Government Council member at ATS,' and then go ahead and believe the offical press announcements by governments on what they knew. Crazy

Yeah, but i dont have to believe every crazy theory that has been brought forward.

well sure, of course you dont, but you are on a conspiracy site saying you cant understand these crazy conspiracies because the government says it isnt so.
Id just say, remember that whether it is a conspiracy or not, what people release to the media is always going to be specifically controlled.

So who done it then?

and why was it done? ID cards, police state, authotarian laws? all the conspiracy reasons have been debunked already

well if one doesn't believe the media, who are they supposed to believe, your conspiracy theory that you just pulled out of your ass with no facts to back it up?

I mean, if british intelligence says it was strategically planned and went unnoticed, what else can they say?

That's all people have to go off of.

However, Your conspiracy theory is duly noted...

[edit on 9-7-2005 by tbare]