A Freemason spilling it all!!!(except modes of recognition)

Hello brothers and fellow posters. I thought i would through my .02 in here. I was raised last winter and through my "trip" (if you will) I learned alot. Masonry can be many things to many people , to me it was a terrific history lesson and the ability to meet a great bunch of guys, enjoy some amateur theatrics which are always a good time and, more than anything else, contribute to funding charities that are well worth the money and effort.

What I was most pleased to see was how the craft deals with christianity, buddism and other monothesistic religions equally. There is a Holy Bible in the middle of my lodge (like most others in North America), but anyone of another faith would have no objections to the teachings of Masonry. I encouage anyone interested in joining to talk to someone at there local lodge, most won't have a problem answering your questions and showing you what a lodge looks like so you won't feel like you are going in without any prior knowledge.

Originally posted by Strigoi
Hello brothers and fellow posters. I thought i would through my .02 in here. I was raised last winter and through my "trip" (if you will) I learned alot. Masonry can be many things to many people , to me it was a terrific history lesson and the ability to meet a great bunch of guys, enjoy some amateur theatrics which are always a good time and, more than anything else, contribute to funding charities that are well worth the money and effort.

What I was most pleased to see was how the craft deals with christianity, buddism and other monothesistic religions equally. There is a Holy Bible in the middle of my lodge (like most others in North America), but anyone of another faith would have no objections to the teachings of Masonry. I encouage anyone interested in joining to talk to someone at there local lodge, most won't have a problem answering your questions and showing you what a lodge looks like so you won't feel like you are going in without any prior knowledge.

Hello Brother, good to see another here.

Our lodge raised a Muslim Brother this past spring.

[edit on 6-7-2005 by AngelWitch]

I'm delighted to hear things like that. I think diversity needs to be promoted, expecially in the lodges, since it seems mainstream america is really trying to push a predjudice mindframe.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
What are they specifically withholding
Recognition codes - this means specifically that you can never deal with others on a deep basis unless they've been subject to the same third degree and all the rest as you

What are you talking about now?!?! Good God, modes of recognition are not so that masons only associate with other masons on a deep basis. That's such a steamy pile of crap! Seriously dude, how do you actually take yourself seriously after having said something as silly as that!?!? :bnghd:

Actually, modes of recognition are so that you may recognize real brethren from impostors (of which there are a lot of). Many people try to pass themselves off as masons in order to receive supposed benefits, and these are the kinds of people we want to avoid. We want to recognize our true brethren.

So again, you spout off about something of which you have NO idea. I'm starting to see a trollish pattern here

Isn't there something about Hirams murder by apprentices trying to steal some code here or something of the like. Isn't the story played out in Rosslyn chapel
Why is it such a big secret - why the fear of imposters? What's threatened?
The whole hierarchy and the hidden masters, the GWB, those in the capstone, feeding off the ritual subjugation and playing out of those beneath I should think. About extra-perceptory realms and unconscious possession. A suitable topic for discussion
This isn't trolling - it's a serious interest and contention and open to denial

Originally posted by dh

Originally posted by billybob
maybe i WILL try and join the masons.
so, far, masonry looks better and better all the time.

i'm wondering if one of the brethren could peruse 'my' wild speculation about jesus' missing years, on the previous page, and add a comment or two.

I hope you know I speak as a friend
I wouldn't do it
Sure the masons control a lot of key secrets of how the world is, but the motive is always control
The hidden masters remain in control, and hidden, and the symbolic entity Jote or Yoda is not to be trusted. The american-accented pronunciation of the former imitates the pronunciation of the latter

Reminds me of the Shekinah/Shock and Awe equivalence that took place in Babylon on the Spring Equinox - same accented equivalence

The vibrational frequencies of the rites allow takeover without your own protection
You don't need a compartmentalised hierarchy pretending to be an egalitarian fraternity to get you to the places you want to be
They'll take you over and you will no long be your own person
Collectivism is ok if you can trust your comrades and the collective mentality isn't beehive - thats for the bees
You've got very good knowledge and understanding. A bit like me, you need to let your spirit follow on there
Don't let these guide your path
What are they specifically withholding
Recognition codes - this means specifically that you can never deal with others on a deep basis unless they've been subject to the same third degree and all the rest as you
It truly is mind and associate control

[edit on 5-7-2005 by dh]

[edit on 5-7-2005 by dh]

Yes, the power of mind control, very often underestimated.

Originally posted by dh
Why is it such a big secret - why the fear of imposters? What's threatened?
The whole hierarchy and the hidden masters, the GWB, those in the capstone, feeding off the ritual subjugation and playing out of those beneath I should think. About extra-perceptory realms and unconscious possession. A suitable topic for discussion
This isn't trolling - it's a serious interest and contention and open to denial

I think that you have no idea what you're talking aboutm half of what you said above isn't even a coherent and complete sentence. Regarding secret modes of recognition, there is no "fear of impostors". We simply don't want someone passing themselves off as a mason for unscrupulous purposes, or to attempt to obtain masonic favors. This is a reasonable thing, no organization wants an outsider to pretend they are a member. Stop being a troll and trying to make something innocent look so nefarious.

There is a secret to Masonry, and this secret is
not about magic.

This secret is about........................................:

access to power

Tadam !


Of course that power is provided only allegorically
for the most part, but it happens that the Masons
got a lotttttttttttttttttt of power in the world
(Otan, Onu, all the big organizations that make
a better world for you) that at some points,
if you're in the right brotherhood, that power
may be real, or, your masonry degree will help you
gain that power.


A power that borrows from a condescension
that make masons believe they are "better" than
other people because you need to be a special
kind of socially-inclined person to just
want to become a freemason,
and somewhat not too stupid to be
titillated by initiation.


Because masons believe there is no knowledge
without initiation. Some kind of empirical view
I presume, definitely an elitist view.

It's snob for snob's sake.


I am so snob that at university I'd be
the only one not entering a fraternity
and than what happens is all the others
talk to you in your back and think
they somewhat control you.


Well, Alexandre Mr. Great,
meet Dyogene.

They are other views of the world.

Thank god philosophy
is so above all these secrets,
religions, clubs, and "mafias".



If youwant real wisdom,
go live 3 years in the desert
alone and make your own mind.


Or read Plato, Dyogene, Kant, Schopenhauer,
Nietzche, etc...

Read Pythagore only if you plan to build your
own house, but.......divine proportion
and # ? I bring you 1,619.

Make it 1,619 dammit !!!


They are limits to eugenistics !



Cedric The Ephiminate

Opps....I saw Sebatwerk avatar and couldn

Opps....I saw Sebatwerk avatar and couldn't
help but laugh.

The logo of the men legs over ladies legs,
and the pentapetal......


Masons rarely accept women, get over it.


It should be a gay club.


Cheers,

Cedric The Ephiminate

From your post I conclude that you think masonry is just for the elite and/or rich. I know this is totally false because I imagine most people on this board make more in a day than I do in 3. Inside the lodge I may set by bank presidents, lawyers, but I also set by police officers and even college kids. But inside masonry your job means nothing.

And masonry never accepts women, there are different branches for that, Order of the Eastern Star, Rainbow Girls, etc. It sounds to me like you have no idea of what you are talking about and are just mimicing what you hear other antimasons say.

[edit on 6-7-2005 by Strigoi]

Thats just goes to show you how much you know about masons, My Grandma was an Eastern Star, so yes, she was part of the Masons. This is the Womens part of it.

edit - sorry been up too long !

[edit on 6-7-2005 by Strigoi]

Originally posted by Centiment
Opps....I saw Sebatwerk avatar and couldn't
help but laugh.

The logo of the men legs over ladies legs,
and the pentapetal......

Masons rarely accept women, get over it.

It should be a gay club.

Actually Freemasonry NEVER accepts women, but we do provide alternatives for them to participate in our priviledges. I have heard no complaints thus far. And what's so funny about my avatar? To millions of men on this planet, that symbol represents something important, honorable and infinitely beautiful. To mock it shows your true level of maturity.

It seems to me that you would like it if Freemasonry were a gay club... maybe then you'd like to join?


[edit on 6-7-2005 by sebatwerk]

>>>From your post I conclude that you think masonry is just for the elite >>>>and/or rich.


Really depends what lodge.

But in the end....you always need someone to bring the coffee, right ?


>>>>> It sounds to me like you have no idea of what you are talking >>>>about and are just mimicking what you hear other antimasons say.


I am not categorically anti-mason.

I am anti alotofstuff

I respond to a topic discussed here which
is freemasonry.

If I compare freemasonry to benedicts or
franciscans. You see....they are really many
options if people want to do
good but think they can't do it on their own.

Freemasons are more like the Scouts,
people looking to make friends and
develop self-esteem, and peer recognition.

You can't deny the charities, but charities
don't need freemason to exist.

They need people with money.


Now...how do you get people
with money give to charities ?
You flatter their self-esteem and egos
by providing systems that makes them
feel clever and superior.






>>>>Actually Freemasonry NEVER accepts women


Yes that is what I meant.


It is sacrilegous that your symbols glorify women
yet the freemason system is extremely patriarchal.




>>>I have heard no complaints thus far.


Pouhahaha !

Than women are stupid !!

I say this loud cos they really need to wake up.


The Pentepetal should be a sign of a sect governed
by women.



>>To millions of men on this planet, that symbol represents something >>>important, honorable and infinitely beautiful.


Your wife cooking dinner in the kitchen ?


(I refer to the pentepetal)




>>>It seems to me that you would like it if Freemasonry were a gay club... >>>>maybe then you'd like to join?


Actually that would be the most intelligent form of hedonism
if masons simply sucked each others in their lodge.


That would make total sense.
True men rendering services to each others.
Maybe people would be more happy ?



As far as joining... someone asked me at some point...(in secret...they're not supposed to...gosh I hope they won't hang him...;-P...)..but hell NO.


I don't think you can help people by not telling them in their face that they are stupid and why.

Than, I don't think you can help people when you don't question when people throw back at you that no, you are the one that is stupid.


That makes 2 strong reasons to not want to become freemason,
unless you do it for other self-interests (like YMCA....hurrah...sports for the people...wow gosh...that monthly card is expensive, mister).


Plus.....I got all my uncle's Rosicrucians stuff (costume and all) at his death and I think I got enough wisdom out of it to last until next Halloween.


Right ?



Cedric The Ephiminate

Originally posted by Centiment


There is a secret to Masonry, and this secret is
not about magic.

This secret is about........................................:

access to power

Tadam !


Of course that power is provided only allegorically
for the most part, but it happens that the Masons
got a lotttttttttttttttttt of power in the world
(Otan, Onu, all the big organizations that make
a better world for you) that at some points,
if you're in the right brotherhood, that power
may be real, or, your masonry degree will help you
gain that power.

That's right. We general laborers have joined the worlds elite, in a plot for world domination. Even as we speak I am building a giant laser, and will destroy the cities of the world unless we receive 1 gazillion dollars. MWAhahaha.

It's snob for snob's sake.

Agreed. You have engaged in snobbery, please cease and desist.

If youwant real wisdom,
go live 3 years in the desert
alone and make your own mind.

No thanks, I'm good. How was it for you?

Originally posted by AngelWitch
Even as we speak I am building a giant laser, and will destroy the cities of the world unless we receive 1 gazillion dollars. MWAhahaha.

And a shrubbery...

*places pinky at corner of mouth*

i'm back.

to dh, ....i think your concerns about a group of people being involved in those things are justified. the OTO rituals are posted online. they call lucifer god, and use sex majic in their rituals. it's on thier own site.
i personally like sex, but i like to 'channel' my lover and myself, and leave the deities to deity duties.

i have a question, though, dh. if you have already been saved by jesus, can the 'mind control' of the freemasons UNsave you? right. so, any venture into the world of freemasonry could have no effect on the damnation, or not, of your soul if you are one in christ.

would jesus not work super extra hard to protect the lost sheep, if they were indeed lost? i'm sorry, but the arguments against freemasonry are based on fear. and, specifically, christian fear of eternal damnation. or, from atheists, fear of a cabal.
well, life and death just aren't that simple, in my opinion. i believe in god's wisdom and mercy. i also can see it everywhere i look. when a cat eats a mouse. when a car runs over a cat. when the driver, swerves to dodge the cat, and strikes a small child. when, it turns out, the small child's parents were sexually abusing the child.
nothing is simple. even jesus smacked down a tree in anger, 'cause it wasn't good enough for HIM.

i would not want to accuse someone of grave misdoing, unless i was postive they were doing it. i also wouldn't want to confuse freemasonry with all the real secret societies and cults. like the OTO and thelema, or skull and bones. those guys have quite the party clubs. the OTO uses sex majic in their rituals, and also uses drugs to get down spiritually. they have a prison ministry, so members can commune with demons and angels while incarcerated. a women gives up her body to lucifer, and everyone bangs her on the altar. i really don't think this type of behaviour would sit well with the vast majority of masons, seeing as they have a christian bible in the lodge and all, and morality is one of the 'keys' to the 'gates'.

i HAVE heard that there is a 33 degree ritual, where they ask the 33 degree mason to spit on the bible. if he does'nt, they say, 'that's the right decision, congrats.", and if he does, they say, 'that's the right decision, welcome to the 33 degree plus club'. i don't know, though. it's way down the telephone wire, so i'm not giving it much weight. even if it were true, it would still be a very small secret society inside of a much larger body of do-gooders.
like i said, masonry looks better and better all the time. it advocates personal responsibility and development. this is like number one on my list of what's wrong with the world. this is a very anti sheep organisation. they can't even ask you to join.
i have said i despise the catholic church, the largest crime organisation in human history. yet, most christians i know, are really good people. the catholic church is like a vampire, sucking on the good nature of people, and turning truth into an undead menace. things are never simple. i have yet to see any good evidence that points to freemasons, as a whole, being similiar to the church, ie. controlling the masses with fear. indeed, freemasonry seems to be more about taking pride in one's personal journey through life.

if freemasonry is indeed evil, they're doing a fabulous job of enticing god 'fearing' people of good moral conscience to join up.
it seems those who are the most frightened of freemasonry, are the same ones who are most frightened by the bible.

if someone gives good evidence that freemasonry is evil, i will definitely listen. i have yet to see it, though. i see many blurred edges between secret societies and freemasonry. if there is something specific i am missing, write it down on this here thread.

freemasonry was born as a reaction to oppression, and as a sanctuary of knowledge. these are honourable origins, imo.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by billybob]

Originally posted by Centiment
Freemasons are more like the Scouts,
people looking to make friends and
develop self-esteem, and peer recognition.

You can't deny the charities, but charities
don't need freemason to exist.

This is a ridiculous assertion. While there ARE men who join because they believe they will receive social and professional benefits, these people soon stop attending lodge once they realize that their efforts are in vain. The true Freemasons that lodges are made up of are there for the personal fulfilment they get from Freemasonry's lessons. The brotherhood is a biproduct of Freemasonry's morals, men who have had similar experiences and similar goals tend to have a strong bond between them.

It is sacrilegous that your symbols glorify women
yet the freemason system is extremely patriarchal.

Can you give me one example of a masonic symbol that glorifies women?

>>To millions of men on this planet, that symbol represents something >>>important, honorable and infinitely beautiful.

Your wife cooking dinner in the kitchen ? (I refer to the pentepetal)

Actually the flower with the square and compass within it that is my avatar is actually a forget-me-not. During WWII, when Hitler had all masonic lodges raided and masons arrested, the members went 'underground' and wore a blue forget-me-not on their lapels to recognize one another as masons. Many masons now wear a pin similar to the one on my avatar in honor and remembrance of the masons who died in the Reich's concentration camps.

You're the only one laughing...

As far as joining... someone asked me at some point...(in secret...they're not supposed to...gosh I hope they won't hang him...;-P...)..but hell NO.

Somehow I have a lot of trouble believing this, but that is just my humble opinion...

>>>>>That's right. We general laborers have joined the worlds elite, in a >>>>plot for world domination. Even as we speak I am building a giant >>>>>laser,and will destroy the cities of the world unless we receive 1 >>>>>>>>>gazillion dollars. MWAhahaha.


Some organizations started by the freemasons are indeed
kinda dominating the world these days, but I don't think
they aim at harming the world any more than the muslims.

They are just as equally cluelessly lost in their beliefs
that they ought to make the world better.



>>>You have engaged in snobbery, please cease and desist.


I am engaged in informing the people what
it means to want to become a freemason.

Is what they truly want must absolutely
come with all what they don't necessarely
want that comes with freemasonry.



(about living in desert)
>>>>No thanks, I'm good. How was it for you?


Well, I get that a lot from endoctrinated people.

They're all so very good.




>>>nothing is simple. even jesus smacked down a tree in anger, 'cause it >>>>wasn't good enough for HIM.


Well, you can always build an airplane and wait for the Daniel Liebeskind towers to be finished. God is angry, you know ?



>>>i HAVE heard that there is a 33 degree ritual, where they ask the 33 >>>>degree mason to spit on the bible. if he does'nt, they say, 'that's the >>>right

decision, congrats.", and if he does, they say, 'that's the right >>>decision, welcome to the 33 degree plus club'. i don't know, though.


When you are not certain that a society is corrupted or not,
you kill it.

Bingo.


I don't mind people who orgy but........gosh...... you don't
need to fool thousands of people for it, unless you're
desparate about the money because of the cost
of prostitutes.






>>>i have yet to see any good evidence that points to freemasons, as a >>>>whole, being similiar to the church, ie. controlling the masses with >>>>fear.

indeed, freemasonry seems to be more about taking pride in >>>>>one's personal journey through life.


It really depends if you really believe in democracy.


It is about implementing a system of knowledge.


Plato also thought that "people with great mind"
(let's assume freemasons think they are great)
should help the world, but that they should teach them
openly in the great air.

The freemasons...which of course was probably started by
some people so great that we never retained any great
philosophy books written by them... aim at teaching and
helping the world in secret ways, if not focussed on helping its members,
with then becomes more like an assurance company but...
submerged in a lot of ridiculous theatrics.


Than....you rest on interpreting wrether NATO or ONU
are controlling the world, two organizations that were started
by freemasonry.




>>>it seems those who are the most frightened of freemasonry, are the >>>>same ones who are most frightened by the bible.


There is a difference between fearing and laughing at human
stupidity.



>>>>if someone gives good evidence that freemasonry is evil


Errr...... It's about studying philosophy and politics.

Do you believe the freemason system is a system
ought to be fit with the better progress of civilization ?


I think that most people never know if they are evil or not.

Does an integrist muslim realizes that he is evil ?
Do you think Bush think of himself as evil ?


The question you got to ask is:

"if someone gives good evidence that freemasonry is stupid"


Well.....I'm not really into emperor's clothes.




>>>>freemasonry was born as a reaction to oppression

Which is unnecessary today.

Wake up we are in 2005.


Vatican is having a hard time.


>>>and as a sanctuary of knowledge. these are honourable origins, imo.


Sanctuary, that is a good one.

Yes, freemasons kill knowledge.

If it was of them I couldn't go to the library, read Pythagora,
and make my own mind.




>>>>>>The true Freemasons that lodges are made up of are there for the personal fulfilment they get from Freemasonry's lessons.


Trust the others...etc..... Make friends.....
It's very much like the Souts. The Scouts are moral too


You all think the same way as that fable that Parsifal was stupid
and had to learn compassion by himself. So you think
your ridiculous rituals can teach one to learn compassion
because it is......."empirical"......woo-hoo...bingo.

Well you only attract the weak peope
unable to make a mind from themselves.


At least the Vatican went the opposite way,
and throughout all their attempts at inventing
all sorts of stupid things, they ended
out writting a couple good philosophy lines that,
when extrated from religion, make a lot of sense.


No need to decode anything.




>>>>Can you give me one example of a masonic symbol that glorifies women?


The pentepetal reach back to Wicca.


Whatever it means to you, you stole it from her.

It glorifies Venus or whatever other names you give her.



The Architect Of The Universe creates feminity.


Angels are androgynous too.



So, all one hope is that you aren't a big macho.




>>>>>Many masons now wear a pin similar to the one on my avatar in honor and remembrance of the masons who died in the Reich's concentration camps.



Can we get over WWII ? I think the nazis are in Israel and Palestine these days, and some other places, like any big cities's suburbs.


I am not laughing at a symbol but at a contradiction.




>>>Somehow I have a lot of trouble believing this, but that is just my humble opinion...


Cos you believe I am so unworthy of you and your organization ?


Wow, we are very near Mother Teresa here,
as far as oecumenics.


You think it is absolutely impossible that a very close friend,
once they told you they are freemasons, can't tell you at some
point that they'd like you to join (tough they say they're not
supposed to ask?). If that can comfort you, when I asked
tons of questions, he wouldn't reply, which of course
I thought was crazy.

In fact...Freemasonry ended that friendship.


Thank you Hiram Abiff !!

(no wonder the House Of God
is falling down)


Cedric The Ephiminate

For the first time since accepting the job of being part of the staff, I'm ashamed to be part of this forum. The bombings in London, whoever did it, and we are discussing this #.

:shk: