Why are you supporting this?

Originally posted by Faust
Sorry to say it EastCoast, but you're entirely wrong there. Even back in the Clinton administration the info was telling Bush the same thing, "Saddam was building an infrastructure of Weapons Of Mass Destruction."

What info was that? The Clean Break Strategy? PNAC? Who wrote that? The NEO CONS in the BUSH administration. You should read those papers and see what side your bread's buttered on.

It's documented, look it up. The whole world knew he had the weapons because he used them on his own people, also documented, look that up too.

The only weapons he had he acquired from the United States and other western nations. Did you miss that act? Bathroom break?

Are you talking the battle of Halabja? When he used those weapons (western nations supplied him for strategical purposes), he was fighting Iran in a war. Iran also gassed entire villiages. And they used different types than Iraq did. Therefore, upon examing battle sites, investigators could prove that both Iran and Iraq used chemical and biological warfare. The western media choses to demonize Saddam for something Iran is also guilty of doing. Something the United States is well versed in. We have the largest stocks on the planet of chem and bio weaponry.

I'll pass on commenting on the rest.

[edit on 7/7/05 by EastCoastKid]

[edit on 7/7/05 by EastCoastKid]

Hmm, if that's true then how come innocent people get their heads violently chopped off in Iraq by Al Queda terrorists? How come soldiers and iraqi civilians get blown up by road side bombs planted by Al Queda terrorists?

Your point was good, it was very sound BUT only on paper. Now, lets look at the facts which we all see everyday.

That last post was in response to koji_K.

AS for the rebuttle EastCoast: If i give you a bunch of weapons to use on a common enemy and later you use them on your own people am i to ASSUME you have none left???

Originally posted by Faust
Hmm, if that's true then how come innocent people get their heads violently chopped off in Iraq by Al Queda terrorists? How come soldiers and iraqi civilians get blown up by road side bombs planted by Al Queda terrorists?

Your point was good, it was very sound BUT only on paper. Now, lets look at the facts which we all see everyday.

So far you have presented no proof for your assertions. Only empty rhetoric repeated by the masses.

Originally posted by Faust
That last post was in response to koji_K.

AS for the rebuttle EastCoast: If i give you a bunch of weapons to use on a common enemy and later you use them on your own people am i to ASSUME you have none left???

I get home from the war, and I'm having a beer after work at a bowling alley bar on base. The TV's on CNN and their covering the Iraqi uprising, urged on by President Bush. I can't for the life of me understand why our forces aren't beating Saddam's back. It was unconscionable. That's one very good reason the Shi'ites hate us and our presence in Iraq. We urged them into suicide and stood by while they were slaughtered.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Originally posted by Faust

So far you have presented no proof for your assertions. Only empty rhetoric repeated by the masses.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a General in Al-Qaida's ranks. bin laden praises him. al-Zarqawi is personally responsible for the beheading of Nick Berg on May 11, 2004. This was done in Iraq. al-Zarqawi is leading the charge against American soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians.

I can't believe you don't KNOW this. Here is the proof you seek:
english.people.com.cn...
I still can't believe i had to post that, have you been living in a cave?

The reason all the masses have been saying it, is because it's the plain truth.

So you've been led to believe.

Read this:

The Zarqawi Phenomenon
By Dahr Jamail
TomDispatch

Wednesday 06 July 2005

A remarkable proportion of the violence taking place in Iraq is regularly credited to the Jordanian Ahmad al-Khalayleh, better known as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and his organization Al Qaeda in Iraq. Sometimes it seems no car bomb goes off, no ambush occurs that isn't claimed in his name or attributed to him by the Bush administration. Bush and his top officials have, in fact, made good use of him, lifting his reputed feats of terrorism to epic, even mythic, proportions (much aided by various mainstream media outlets). Given that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be based upon administration lies and manipulations, I had begun to wonder if the vaunted Zarqawi even existed.

In Amman, where I was recently based, random interviews with Jordanians only generated more questions and no answers about Zarqawi. As it happens, though, the Jordanian capital is just a short cab ride from Zarqa, the city Zarqawi is said to be from. So I decided to slake my curiosity about him by traveling there and nosing around his old neighborhood.

"Zarqawi, I don't even know if he exists," said a scruffy taxi driver in Amman and his was a typical comment. "He's like Bin Laden, we don't even know if he exists; but if he does, I support that he fights the U.S. occupation of Iraq."

Chatting with a man sipping tea in a small tea stall in downtown Amman, I asked what he thought of Zarqawi. He was convinced that Zarqawi was perfectly real, but the idea that he was responsible for such a wide range of attacks in Iraq had to be "nonsense."

"The Americans are using him for their propaganda," he insisted. "Think about it -- with all of their power and intelligence capabilities -- they cannot find one man?"
www.truthout.org...

That was entertaining, but i prefer to read non-fiction.

Originally posted by Faust
That was entertaining, but i prefer to read non-fiction.

Can you elaborate on that answer?

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
What religion is Hussein, huh?

The only God Saddam Hussein ever served was SELF.

That being my point. Those who are directing the mental midgets to carry out homicide bombings, drive planes into buildings, all that stuff, all they care about is SELF, too.

You say that there is no WoT going on, but a War OF Terror? Are you saying that Bush attacked us in 2001, and that he did it to, what? Attack the Middle East? Attack Muslims?
First off, if you remember, they have been attacking us for decades while we were to arrogant to take them seriously. Secondly, I don't think Bush is sharp enough to do what theorists think he is doing!

Originally posted by Faust
Sorry to say it EastCoast, but you're entirely wrong there. Even back in the Clinton administration the info was telling Bush the same thing, "Saddam was building an infrastructure of Weapons Of Mass Destruction." It's documented, look it up. The whole world knew he had the weapons because he used them on his own people, also documented, look that up too.

We only know now the reason he wanted the world to THINK he was near to having or had WMD's was because he feared his neighbors. After decades of plotting against most of them and attempting to invade two, his great defense was a bluff. The whole world thought he had them. So, there never was any "LYING" on anyones part.

Again , you provide no proof. Just your NEO CON infected accusations. Please share with us your proof.

Originally posted by Faust
Hmm, if that's true then how come innocent people get their heads violently chopped off in Iraq by Al Queda terrorists? How come soldiers and iraqi civilians get blown up by road side bombs planted by Al Queda terrorists?

Your point was good, it was very sound BUT only on paper. Now, lets look at the facts which we all see everyday.

I don't see how this relates to my last post at all... let's look at it again:

Originally posted by koji_K
That's not what I'm saying at all...

I'm saying the CIA told Bush that Saddam was not a threat to the US homeland, and had nothing to with al-Qaeda.

-koji K.

Now, as you may or may not be aware, Saddam is in a US Military field prison somewhere in or around Baghdad. He is no longer the leader of Iraq. While he was leader, before we invaded, as the CIA stated: There were no collaborative links between Saddam and al-Qaeda, and no connection between Iraq and 9/11.

These head-choppings and roadside bombings did not start until *after* the US invaded Iraq. And the vast majority of the insurgents in Iraq are native Iraqis who never would have posed a threat to US security had we not invaded, but only now are virtual reinforcements for al-Qaeda. We may have removed Saddam, but in one fell swoop, we added tens of thousands to the ranks of terrorists/potential threats to US security. The truly sad thing about this is that, had we only listened to our military planners instead of certain political groups, we could have done a lot to avoid this situation even if we invaded Iraq. (For example, by not pursuing a rabid de-Baathification policy and disbanding the Iraqi military- policies made all the more perverse given our old support for Saddams' regime..) Not only was this war poorly (and fraudulently) conceived, it was poorly executed as well, thanks to political meddling.

The only way I can possibly interpret your comment to make any sense in light of my last post was if you meant that we should be supporting the war in Iraq because every day our troops are getting killed by terrorists there. If so, this is not a sound argument justifying the war, it's argument based on a fait accompli. "Our troops are over there now, so you have to support the war."

Well, I can only respond to this kind of logic by saying that I support our troops but this does not equate with believing the war was justified or necessary in any way. This is how history has always judged wars. Not by the images of the war itself, but by examining the facts and circumstances which anticipated the war.

-koji K.

[edit on 8-7-2005 by koji_K]

LOL! You know i really do get a laugh reading some you libs conspiracy theories.

These are some of the things that i've read on this topic alone:

1) President Bush KNEW 9-11 was going to happen and told our armed forces to stand down and let it happen

2) Bush KNEW Saddam didn't have WMD's and purposely found CIA agents that would 'twist' the truth for him so he could LIE to the American people.

3) Bush sent tens of hundreds of American soldiers to their deaths and had innocent Iraqi's slaughtered. (even though CONGRESS voted yes to go to war.)

4) This was a war for OIL. (even though we haven't seen a cent of profit at the pumps).

5) Bush, with help from his dad and brother STOLD the election in 2000. (even after recounting THREE times still shows Bush won).

You libs say this as if it's a proven fact, like the Earth is round. Nobody needs to be shown an internet link to prove the Earth is round, it's commonly know. Yet, you demand i show "PROOF". When you show me your "PROOF" it's a link to Move on dot org. LOL! Shall i in turn link my proof to Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh's web site? Come on. That would be leaning UNFAIRLY to the right, FULL TILT in fact! Yet you libs ECSPECT me to believe in your truth when you show an article typed by Jenine Garolfalo.

Originally posted by Faust
LOL! You know i really do get a laugh reading some you libs conspiracy theories.

These are some of the things that i've read on this topic alone:

1) President Bush KNEW 9-11 was going to happen and told our armed forces to stand down and let it happen

Conspiracy theory? Half of New Yorkers, and 41% of New York state residents, believe this, according to a Zogby poll. (link here)

I haven't been back here in almost a month. Kinda surprised there's only been 1 post following mine. Anyway, leftist Americans have been crying about us being in ANY war since the creation of America itself. WWI and WWII prevented Europe from falling into the hands of fascism. The Korean War prevented South Korea from becoming communist. The Vietnam War WOULD HAVE prevented South Vietnam from falling to communism, but the leftist monkies of our great nation got their way.

If we all followed a leftist ideal in this country, half of us would be dead due to our selective nationality and/or religion. The other half would either be speaking German or Russian. And now, the lefty primates are encouraging the terrorists by showing great dissent and disrespect for our president. Which as an added result shows our troops that they aren't supported. Yet, you leftist chimps are flabbergasted as to how Bush CRUSHED Kerry in the elections??? You're out of touch, you have no clue. You're brainwashed by the likes of Michael Moore and other fat apes. You make and read the newspapers, all 38% of you. You contibute and listen to CNN, all 38% of you. While all the rest of us have open minds and ACTUALLY gather the truth, instead of having some fat bloated orangutan tell us his fictional conspiracies.

Faust, You crack me up.

Maybe that's why you only recieved one reply in a month?

On the other hand, Koji just recieved a nice big applaud for providing those excellent links. Keep up the good work, Koji.

Oh yes, VERY excellent links to leftist leaning BS. PURE factoids. UNDENIABLE truth. It's SO EVIDENT, that's why Americans voted Bush into office again. The truth has proven itself so worthy. Congrats on your fact finding hunt. I'm standing beside myself in awe of your mass intellect. Good thing the mass majority of us LISTENED to all of this propaganda so we could vote this bastard president out of office in 2004. He let 9-11 happen. He wants our troops to die HORRIBLY in Iraq. He wants Iraq's oil, which hasn't helped the price at our pumps, but none the less. Attack Bush, attack Bush, attack Buah, I'm a loser, i have no life, i'm filled with hate.

Originally posted by Faust
He let 9-11 happen. He wants our troops to die HORRIBLY in Iraq. He wants Iraq's oil, which hasn't helped the price at our pumps, but none the less. Attack Bush, attack Bush, attack Buah, I'm a loser, i have no life, i'm filled with hate.

Well... actually, I can't add anything to that.

[edit on 7/31/05 by EastCoastKid]

Damn it,

I just made a long, well though-out response to this, but my stupid computer decided to dump it. Oh well, I'll try to replicate it...

Originally posted by koji_K

Conspiracy theory? Half of New Yorkers, and 41% of New York state residents, believe this, according to a Zogby poll. (link here)

I'm glad you live in such a sweet reality.

Have fun in Catalina.