Why are you supporting this?

Originally posted by Boatphone

Originally posted by Qwazzy

Originally posted by Boatphone
Support the troops and Iraq won't become Vietnam, it will only become Veitnam if you keep protesting it. Your only helping the terrorists by doing so, your playing right into thier hands!!

Are you talking about the "terrorists" that work for Bush & Co.?

Qwazzy,

It is clear that you just hate President Bush and are not looking for a real debate. Its sad. President Bush is a great American and is doing more good than you'll ever do!

True, I'm not going to kill that much Iraqis. Actually, I'm not going to kill even one if I had a chance. Going to Harvard(or wherever he went) sure paid off!

Originally posted by WissNX01

Originally posted by AWingAndASigh

I definettly DON'T support the war, but hey, I'm not American. I would kill that moron if I had a chance.

If you were an American, that statement would get you a visit from the Secret Service.

Also, depending on what country he is in, the US government has alot of treaties that allow the Secret Service to 'interview' foriegners. I think this did occur to a Canadian and an Englishman not to long ago.

O jeez, can't take a joke?

Hide and Seek
Bush looks like he's having fun

Originally posted by Frosty
Why do I support the war: I don't like seeing planes fly into my country's buildings (maybe you do), I don't like the fact that Saddam had links to Al-Queada, that he gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, he was always mistreating UN weapons inspectors and lies about WMD's, I don't like the fact that liberal presidents don't have the balls to take neccessary action, or the fact that he laundered billions of dollars meant to fund his countries infrastructure into his pockets.

How is Bush invading Iraq "nessecary"?

The links between Iraq and and Al-Qaeda were not "collaborative" according to the 9/11 Commission (link here). There were no links at all according to British intelligence (link here).

The CIA itself reported that:

Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States.

Should Saddam conclude that a US-led attack could no longer be deterred, he probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions. Such terrorism might involve conventional means, as with Iraq's unsuccessful attempt at a terrorist offensive in 1991, or CBW.

Saddam might decide that the extreme step of assisting Islamist terrorists in conducting a WMD attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him.

(Taken from a CIA Report on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, declassified section in a letter from George Tenet to Sen. Bob Graham.).

Interestingly, the immediate threat Saddam seems to have posed to the US, in the CIA's estimation, would only have been brought about if we invaded.

The Bush administration did not want the people to know any of this, because it hurt their case for invading Iraq (link here).

I'm not sure if we're speaking of the same event here. You may remember though, that on Sept. 11, 2001, some planes were hijacked and slammed into
the WTC, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The planes I remember, though, were hijacked by Saudis, not Iraqis, following the plan of a mostly Saudi/Pakistani group of terrorists, not Iraqis.

-koji K.

[edit on 2-7-2005 by koji_K]

I havent read everyones post but I want to make a comment on my opinion to the original statment.


I am an American. I respect my nation and I respect my flag. I respect my military and I support them anywhere for any reason. I believe in this country. If it was 15 years down the line and I was in the military I would be more than happy to support it and fight.

I support the war on terror because I am an American and I will never leave my nation behind.

WOW this has been discussed too many times! I was just suprised to see that the creator of this thread didn't make a post a day later saying "So where are all the Bush supporters now, huh? Well I guess there are none!!!"

Seriously, if you wanna know why this war is being fought look at one of the hundred other threads started saying basically the exact same thing. I will say this, though.

War is NOT pretty.

Bad things WILL happen when we are at war.

War costs money.

War is temporary. The damages that happen during war are repaired shortly after, and then we see the improvements that are made.

Herman,
as was prophecised,
the Third war will be unlike any war ever seen before.

And this is unlike any war ever seen before,

Based on False accusations,
From a False Government
fighting an invisible enemey that swears no allegence to any Army or Country... only to a god.

I think its a mistake to compare this to other wars in terms of deaths, hazards, repairs and otucomes.

This shouldnt be labelled a WAR anymore, it hsould be labelleed religous bickering.

You can really support the troops, while you are against the war, and the Bush administration.

I know, I do it everyday.

Why do I support the troops?

Because I know some of them and trust me, they are good people.

It is a shame we are forced to divide ourselves like this, against this but for that. It is the times we live in.

Some of us have to find a way to deal with it.

War is ugly, but our own kids are there and need our support.

They need to know we are behind them even when we are against the war itself.

I have seen first hand how the lack of support from americans has affected someone and sent that person into a deep depression.

These are our boys and girls, support them, no matter what you feel about the war.

They need us on their side!

Originally posted by Frosty
Why do I support the war: I don't like seeing planes fly into my country's buildings (maybe you do), I don't like the fact that Saddam had links to Al-Queada, that he gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, he was always mistreating UN weapons inspectors and lies about WMD's, I don't like the fact that liberal presidents don't have the balls to take neccessary action, or the fact that he laundered billions of dollars meant to fund his countries infrastructure into his pockets.

Well said Frosty. And for those "links" saying that there was NO connection between Al Queda and Saddam? Well, that was according to BRITISH links. I'd rather trust our security to America.....duh!


Global, i checked out your "links" to show the "EVIDENCE" on how Bush let 9-11 happen and all the other B.S. that you've been spraying out. Your links come from MOVE ON DOT ORG!!! If i said that i received all of my evidence from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity then it would be pretty ONE-SIDED don't you think?!? Your fictional web site can't possibly lean anymore to the left. Do you believe what you read out of the National Inquirer too? LOL!

For all of my Liberal friends whose minds are filled with FACTUAL EVIDENCE:
www.albinoblacksheep.com...
Turn your speakers up.

Global, who "prophesied" that? I believe you pulled that one out of your ear.
This is religious bickering" Really? What religion is bickering? What religion is Hussein, huh? Teh terrorists he gave sanctuary to, what religion did they practice? Abu Abas, of the Archille Lauro infamy, he was a religious man?
I always wondered, just how religious could a man be if he comandeers a plane, slits innocent flight attendants' throats, and then aims for a building that is full of civilians who are going to work, paying bill giving to the poor, etc, and kills thousands of them?

You are missing a lot of stuff in this extremely stale and overly-hashed thread, which proves that beating the chalkline that indicates where the body of the horse used to be does absolutley no good!

Originally posted by Faust

Originally posted by Frosty
Why do I support the war: I don't like seeing planes fly into my country's buildings (maybe you do), I don't like the fact that Saddam had links to Al-Queada, that he gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, he was always mistreating UN weapons inspectors and lies about WMD's, I don't like the fact that liberal presidents don't have the balls to take neccessary action, or the fact that he laundered billions of dollars meant to fund his countries infrastructure into his pockets.

Well said Frosty. And for those "links" saying that there was NO connection between Al Queda and Saddam? Well, that was according to BRITISH links. I'd rather trust our security to America.....duh!

What are you talking about? One of the links detailed the findings of the 9/11 Commission report. But if that's not good enough for you, how about the Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq? I draw your attention to the conclusions of the Committee, detailed in Section 12, where they find that the CIA was justified in concluding that there was no evidence for proving Iraqi complicity in any al-Qaeda attack.

Open your eyes, man! This is the US Senate and the CIA doing the talking!

-koji K.

Originally posted by koji_K

What are you talking about? One of the links detailed the findings of the 9/11 Commission report. But if that's not good enough for you, how about the Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq? I draw your attention to the conclusions of the Committee, detailed in Section 12, where they find that the CIA was justified in concluding that there was no evidence for proving Iraqi complicity in any al-Qaeda attack.

Open your eyes, man! This is the US Senate and the CIA doing the talking!

-koji K.

Ok, so you're saying that the CIA told Bush that Saddam had WMD's, the President acted on this information, Congress approved of the war in Iraq BUT according to Global President Bush LIED? ......i don't get it.

Originally posted by Boatphone
Five words; peace in the middle east. = thanks to George W. Bush.

On second thought, I'm not laughing.

You might have a much different opinion if you actually traveled there and saw what Bush's Democracy has done and is doing to the middle east.

Here's what is what is going on daily...

The chaos that engulfs Iraq does not improve from the presence of U.S. troops. Iraqis who testified in the Istanbul World Tribunal on Iraq told about intense hatred of their people for the occupiers. The Iraqis feel abused by far more than the publicized incidents at Abu Ghraib. On routine U.S. patrols and raids, trigger-happy young soldiers gun down innocent Iraqis. Pilots drop bombs on coordinates where people live. The 2004 documentary Gunner Palace resembles scenes from the TV show Cops. GIs bash down doors, charge into homes with fingers on rifle triggers shouting "on the floor mother#er," while women scream and children cry. The humiliated and handcuffed men go to prison. The soldiers then return to their posh living quarters and count the days remaining before they can go home. Like the GIs in Vietnam three plus decades ago, those in Iraq sacrifice lives, limbs and psyches. But as the film makes clear, most don't know the purpose of their military mission.

Indeed, Iraqis recall well how U.S. troops watched passively while massive looting took place of their national, historic treasure [How does one fix a broken Babylon? A crime wave swept the country and Armed Americans shrugged. Women can no longer walk the streets in safety as they once did. U.S. occupations have also pitted Sunnis against Shiites, Kurds against Turkmen. Some Iraqi Christians have fled in fear to Syria. Bush omitted these facts and ignored the violence and chaos that define daily life. US personnel avidly train young Iraqis into constabulary form - those that survive the regular suicide bombings and other attacks aimed at the police.
www.truthout.org...

Originally posted by Mizar
I support the war on terror because I am an American and I will never leave my nation behind.

The biggest problem in a nut shell.

The attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 had NOTHING to do with IRAQ and vice versa.

Peanut butter and jelly are two very distinct foods.

The Big Lie
people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it. - OSS report page 51 - Joseph Goebbels, uncited
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 7/7/05 by EastCoastKid]

Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
This shouldnt be labelled a WAR anymore, it hsould be labelleed religous bickering.

There is no Global War on Terror. There is only terrorising. It should be called what it is: A Criminal Cabal's FICTION.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
What religion is Hussein, huh?

The only God Saddam Hussein ever served was SELF.

Originally posted by Faust
Ok, so you're saying that the CIA told Bush that Saddam had WMD's, the President acted on this information, Congress approved of the war in Iraq BUT according to Global President Bush LIED? ......i don't get it.

The CIA told the Bush admin. that Saddam had no WMD. Cheney and Rumsfeld weren't havin that. They put pressure on The company ans the company came up with people who said what they wanted to hear. The intel was cooked, as they say.

I'm mad personally. This administration treated a lot of excellent CIA analysts badly. Same at the Pentagon. This administration has nothing but contempt for the guy fighting the fight. You silly flagwavers can't even comprehend that. If you aspire to fight, good. You need to since you support it so much. You need to go get a taste of that mighty fruit. Give your pound of flesh for the cause. Hoowah!

And then come back, hopefully with your good mind and limbs in tact, and tell us how great the Bush administration is.

Sorry to say it EastCoast, but you're entirely wrong there. Even back in the Clinton administration the info was telling Bush the same thing, "Saddam was building an infrastructure of Weapons Of Mass Destruction." It's documented, look it up. The whole world knew he had the weapons because he used them on his own people, also documented, look that up too.

We only know now the reason he wanted the world to THINK he was near to having or had WMD's was because he feared his neighbors. After decades of plotting against most of them and attempting to invade two, his great defense was a bluff. The whole world thought he had them. So, there never was any "LYING" on anyones part.

Originally posted by Faust

Ok, so you're saying that the CIA told Bush that Saddam had WMD's, the President acted on this information, Congress approved of the war in Iraq BUT according to Global President Bush LIED? ......i don't get it.

That's not what I'm saying at all...

I'm saying the CIA told Bush that Saddam was not a threat to the US homeland, and had nothing to with al-Qaeda.

-koji K.