UK threatening to pull out of the F-35 JSF programme if the US dose'nt share technology

My best buddys papa happens to very old and very important i wont say who he works for but he is the head man for a certain engine maker for all of china and surrounding areas.

he doesnt come back home too often but we always manage catch up over family to family dinner.

Firstly some answers to the JSF.

The RAF really really ooo please can we have it.

Now the navy was very intrested untill boeing cancelled any plans to make a AEW based on the V-22, on top of that the upping of the size and weight of the new navy carriers.

Guess what they really really want.. in order of most wanted from santa clause

1) a naval typhoon
2) USN JSF F-32(c)?
3) Ooo no a Rafale

I guess the last comes from a stand point of royal navy and france now look like building the carriers for both there navies, would be cheaper i guess.

Theres a huge problem over the Transfer of tech in the JSF, its going to come to head soon, theres always been trouble with tech transfer from USA, normally this was solved by some intresting ways.
Standard practice was to scratch out the serial codes/part number and re write a new number, on the offical papers to congress(or whom ever over sees such things) said part maybe a hammer, but really be some super dooper high tech gee bang wizz gizmo
From what i was this had led to some intresting situations, where the Brit forces have had some of the lastest US techo stuff before even the US forces.
Its much easier the other way around. USA asks it gets it.

What i found most amusing was his comment about who gets the contracts... he said if you think its changed since medievil days your`ll be surprised.. Its all about the $$$ back handers, if its to companies or politicans, he said the japs the easiest they just love american hookers, he said theres a million reasons why you shouldn`t deal with the devil, but that $$$ always seals the deal.

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
The F-35 still dose'nt stop amazing me. I found more

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No wonder the faithful brits are not getting its tech.

GOOD GOD that's worrying, if that just the F35 think about the black world!!!!!

RAB

seekerof, you guessed right. I should have started my comment about the laser on the F-35 with the words it is my belief

I will be amazed if this weapon is ready when the F-35 comes into service. Not that I think it will never work, I jusdt think there will be a surprisingly long wait involved. The AL-1 was started in the early 1980's and isn't deployable yet.

:shk: *shakes head* :shk:

The F-35 still dose'nt stop amazing me. I found more:
TW-F-35 Techno-Wizard Joint Strike Fighter

StealthSpy, first off, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such nonsense! Secondly, this is a technical discussion on the F-35.
As such, what bearing does your linking to some game-oriented information have to do with this discussion?!
Your sourcing and discerning skills are lacking, StealthSpy...

And RAB, shame on you for swallowing such information verbatum. :shk:





seekerof

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Pardon my ignorance, but a what?

A navalised version of this;

I think the disscussion about the laser is more likley to be about the laser pirate / range finder that it has and not some laser cannon.

With the Radar system being able to damage electronics that interesting. But I'm of the idea that there will be different spec's for different customers and the level of toys and stealth will depend on trust and there needs.

Bit like how the versions of the typhoon differ.

I do feel that this will sort it's self out one of three ways, the US gives up to information upon order, two BAe reverse engineer the source code or the typhoon has a very long production run of current 232 for the RAF, then 150 Navy version and then 250 long range version to replace the Tornado GR4.

RAB

[edit on 22-6-2005 by RAB]

Replica got a least as far as model tests. It was a project to see how the UK could develop a cheap stealth aircraft using our (or rather BAE's) current knowledge at the time.



The true state of uk stealth technology


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[edit on 22-6-2005 by paperplane_uk]

This doesn't surprise me even if it is deeply disappointing and staggeringly stupid. Really dumb move.
Way to lose (best) friends and influence guys.

As we saw over the row with Chinook helicopters (mere transport choppers ffs!) the Americans are quite happy these days to take a mountain or two of our cash and leave us having to scrap brand new kit for parts rather than supply the codes to use them as we need to.

Very well.
So be it.

I say to hell with the US gov and military as they are today.
I pity the workers but IMO we should pull out of the program, cut our losses and leave them as freindless as they so obviously want to be.

Let's see how the American industry reacts (along with their military who will no longer benefit from the cost reductions these cooperative ventures bring/brought) when this short-sighted insane paranoia brings the harvest it so richly deserves.

Until the US is seen to change tack I think we should buy national products and European products only in future.


[edit on 22-6-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

I know Seekerof beat me to it, but damn Stealth Spy, I sure hope your last post was ment to be a joke. If not, you better be more careful about where you get your info. It gave me a good laugh regardless.

the UK is still the world leader in VSTOL tech... proved yet again

Typical Stealth Spy, putting US behind another nation.

Just becuase the UK invented it doesn't mean they're the best, the US is ahead.

I heard that there will be different version of the JSF for export some not as advance as others. Is that true?

Originally posted by waynos

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Pardon my ignorance, but a what?

A navalised version of this;

ooooooooooo. That's PURTY! I want one for the garage.

If the Americans don't want to trust us with their secrets thats ok, but it makes the special relationship between our Countries a farce, Ive always thought of America as a lost child who loves his Mother Country and trusts us. If they are treating us as just another Country to exploit , then i might have to alter my opinion on America.

I live in the US, and this just amazes me. I can't believe they're stupid enough to risk both the plane, and our special relationship with England over this. The code is going to be in the plane ANYWAY, so why should it matter if they turn it over now, or with the plane.

BS I got hoaxed by this BF ing stavatti like crap

I ran a google search for the F-35's laser and i found this fictional crap and since i was in a hurry i did'nt read all parts and fell for it

My apologies for such an ignorant post.

Seekerof, do me a favour, edit my post(since the edit window for me to do it is exhasuted) and remove all that.



[edit on 22-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]

Originally posted by paperplane_uk
The true state of uk stealth technology

Now this is more ignorant than the hoax i fell for



[edit on 23-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]

This AVPRO's concept could be produced in single-seat manned or unmanned versions, both of which would heavily rely on speed, maneuverability, stealth, advanced on-board systems, and new generation "smart" weapons.



It could be produced in single-seat manned or unmanned versions, both of which would heavily rely on speed, maneuverability, stealth, advanced on-board systems, and new generation "smart" weapons



The VTOL UCAV - 1 AVPRO Avenger carrier launched anti-ship weapons carrier


AVPRO Archangel, AA, AG, air - to - ship weapons platform

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**NOTE TO MEMBER: STEALTH SPY: How about POST a link to your SOURCES?! **

[edit on 23-6-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Bulldog 52
If the Americans don't want to trust us with their secrets thats ok, but it makes the special relationship between our Countries a farce, Ive always thought of America as a lost child who loves his Mother Country and trusts us. If they are treating us as just another Country to exploit , then i might have to alter my opinion on America.

LOL!

First of all...A lost child?

I guess the child is all grown up these days isn't it?

The problem is that when we give you the technology, 2 things happen.

First, and what I suspect to be most important, is that the UK contributed LESS THEN 1% OF THE FUNDING for the JSF. So, please tell me why the US should have to foot the bill for this amazing aircraft, and then not reap the rewards of having it's own companies do the upkeep?

I mean let's be real here...The US is letting in all of these countries because they are allies and can't afford to make anything this good on their own.

Any country involved in the JSF is not an equal of the US - they are just a guest paying a cover charge in our aviation world. If the UK (or anyone else) doesn't like the fact that we won't just give them a bunch of our secrets and throw away any economic benefit we might get, they can go buy other INFERIOR aircraft.

Secondly, the more people know secrets the less of a secret it becomes. Regardless of how trustworthy a nation is (and I have the utmost confidence in the UK), simply by allowing them to have the information exposes that information to any spys that may be in their government.

Any way, if I were the UK I would sit down, shut up, give my .75% of the program, and sleep well knowing that Lock-mart was going to be delivering the best light strike aircraft in the world to me.

Originally posted by paperplane_uk

The true state of uk stealth technology

[edit on 22-6-2005 by paperplane_uk]

[edit on 22-6-2005 by paperplane_uk]

Sorry to break it to you, but if you notice the shadow has a remarkable likeness to the AMERICAN F/A-22 Raptor

> 2 billion $ funding for development (200 million alredy given)

> to buy ~150 F-35's

> The JSF team includes BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce.

> Assembly of the plane at BAE Systems at Samlesbury, Lancashire, England.

> BAE Systems is responsible for the design and integration of the aft fuselage, horizontal and vertical tails and the wing-fold mechanism for the CV variant, using experience from the Harrier STOVL programme.

> BAE Systems Avionics in Edinburgh, Scotland will provide the laser systems of the JSF

> BAE Systems Information & Electronic Warfare Systems (IEWS) will be responsible for the JSF integrated electronic warfare suite, which will be installed internally.

> BAE is developing a new digital radar warning receiver for the F-35.

> BAE Systems Avionics will supply side stick and throttle controls

> Rolls Royce to design and build the F136 engine for the JSF

> The C variant's vertical take off/ landing will have several other british technologies (derrived from the harriers)

Now isi'nt this a significant contribution ? Britian is capable of doing much more for the JSF if the US lets it.



[edit on 23-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]