NEWS: Teen Sent To Gay "Treatment" Camp Against His Will

Just one quick question:

Where in the New Testiment does it speak about homosexuality being wrong? I just can't seem to find it in my copy.

This post is for BadMojo. While I understand and respect your particular beliefs, I must disagree with your method for arguing your point. God, in fact, does create homosexuality. It appears in other species besides humans. Read here:
news.nationalgeographic.com...

As a practicing Christian (I'm assuming based on your references to reading the Bible) you should know that God is perfect. We will accept this as fact for the purpose of this debate. As a practicing Christian, you should also know that ALL of the texts of the Bible were written by men. Men are not perfect, becuase they are not God. We will also accept this as fact for the purpose of this debate. My question to you is HOW can you accept, blindly and without reason, the Bible as 100% fact and the word of perfect God, when it was in fact, written 100% by imperfect men?

Your entire focus on the wrongness of homosexuality is based entirely on an imperfect literary work. Because the authenticity of the Bible is a matter of BELIEF and not FACT, it is not an acceptable resource for a scientific argument. Based on your previous statements, I will assume that you also disagree with Evolution theory and Relativity theory, as being fundamentally against the teachings of the Bible. Therefore, sir, your arguments are irrelevant and unwelcome in a standardized debate format.

It is exactly these kind of statements that ruin the advancement of knowledge. The same Bible that advises against Homosexuality, the same Bible that describes the world was created in 7 days, also advises that you should never eat pork. When was the last time you had bacon with breakfast? IF we accept the book of Genesis as fact, Eve ate the apple of the tree of knowledge. Therefore, while the penalty may have been expulsion from paradise, knowledge (and the pursuit of it) are what we are left with. Therefore, a debate of this sort, while you may disagree with homosexuality, does not have room for your anti-homosexuality rhetoric as the Bible cannot be counted as irrefutable proof other than in your own belief. Therefore, please take your closed minded hate mongering elsewhere, otherwise provide some substantial, factual, scientific evidence that supports your belief.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their perversion...quite thoroughly from what I remember. People have to answer for their own actions...and will. Yet in all of this, point to where I have been hateful. "Homosexuality is immoral"?...there is nothing hateful there. Murdering is immoral. That is not a hateful statement.

To say that I am intolerant is missing the target. I am intolerant of immorality. Rail and berate at your leisure, I am not offended.

The Old Testament, as previously stated, was rule by the letter. With Jesus' sacrifice, a new covenant was made with the Church so that we were no longer under the yoke of rule of the letter. Each will answer for their own actions...

By the way, simon, I have a thread in BTS regarding the divine inspiration of the Bible, if you care to read it.

[edit on 16-6-2005 by BadMojo]

Completely unbelievable...

These Bible Thumpers want man and woman to be caste in molds and shipped across the globe, defects will be incinerated and the price cost analysis will be updated to reflect their denial of impurity....

The fundamental science of psychology holds no value to these people....They’re prying his skull open, removing his brain and dumping in 3 pounds of spam, then kicking his ass to the curb....

I'd retaliate like no tomorrow man - Reading over the rules he posted on his blog, I'd make a prime example of what exactly not to do while there every minute of every day....

I just hope this poor kid hasn't lost his will to fight yet....He needs to hold back against his parents judgments and reserve his anger for these programmed zombies....

God damn…Jesus Christ this blows my top….

[edit on 6/16/2005 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

I stated nothing about immorality, only the invalidity of your belief as applies to a valid debate. The writings in the Bible, whether you belive in them or not, are not acceptable as a valid backing in a debate setting due to thier unprovability.

I am insulted that now you reference the covenant of Jesus Christ and the new testement. If you believe in the New Testament, then it is understood that the teachings of Christ completely replace all teachings before it, including the Old Testament, as he is the son of God and therefore is the authority on all things relating to God (perfect being and all). For you to reference the Old Testament as your argument against homosexuality in one post and then to reference the New Testament in your latest post is a mis-interpretation of the Bible you are choosing to reference. Jesus preached love. Period. IF you choose to continue using the Bible as your reference material for your basis on your beliefs in homosexuality, then it is hypocritical for you to make negative statements of any sort against homosexuality because Jesus made it clear that it was not our place to judge other men, only to love them, despite our personal feelings.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their perversion

Funny, if you actually read the bible, instead of the rantings of fanatics, it seems pretty clear that they were destroyed for their inhospitality and hostility to strangers, not for sexual vices.

19:1
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
19:2
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
19:3
And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
19:5
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
19:6
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
19:7
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
19:8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
19:9
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
19:10
But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
19:11
And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
19:12
And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
19:13
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Lot is spared because he is the only one in the city that had the decency to offer kindness and hospitality to the strangers (who turn out to be angels), not because he was the only heterosexual in town.

And it's true, Leviticus says that "if a man lies with a man it is an abomination". It also says the same thing about eating shellfish.

Hope you haven't had any oysters lately...

Why do so few "fundamentalists" ever seem to, you know, actually read the freaking bible?!?!???!

[edit on 6/16/05 by xmotex]

Simply by reading, studying, and understanding the Bible, I know what has happened and what will happen.

Wow, bringing the Bible into this topic is messed up, like most of Biblical Christianity. What most fail to recognize is that the "New Covenant" which was instituted by Jesus when he came to Earth denounced all predjudices set down in the Old Testament. In its stead, Jesus said that all are equal until judged by God. So basically, using the Old Testament to say "gays are evil" is like saying, "Jesus, you didn't know what the hell you were talking about, so I'm just going to pretend you didn't say anything at all." What typical fundamental BS!

Wow over 400 views with 46 replies And it is still a submission, guess we all know where this story is going.

Into da trash

Sounds to me like one of those Soviet "re-education camp".

[edit on 16-6-2005 by TheApocalypse]

I am not discounting the potential worth of such a program, but not one run by an organization so closedly associated with fundamentalist religious dogma. There is nothing impartial about their approach to the attendees and most certainly have an agenda.
It is very likely the case that a certain percent of teens, in the years of sexual confusion, mistake that confusion for sexual preferences contrary to the norm. A non-judgemental therapist would in my opinion be better suited for such a group.

But what seems to be described in the opening posting is heavily laden with anti-homosexual fervor, which I find as distasteful as the anti-hetero equivalent promulgated by the Gay lobby, I assure you.

Intrepid, I give as mad props as your mod status allows for fighting the good fight.

This just makes my stomach turn. Up here, in Canadia, we have this concept, it's a combination of the deeply abstracted 'compassion' and 'empathy', which people seem to be lacking as a whole nowadays.

We call it 'tolerance'.

Try it sometime.

*shakes head* What next? A camp because your kid's skin is black? Or they're too short?

DE

this reminds me of the movie "saved". i think they called the group 'mercy house' or something like that. i personally think that such places are wrong, and have no place in society, especially in the case where the recipients are unwilling attendants who are subjugated to something that is entirely opinionated. i know plenty of gay people who are perfectly normal in comparison to someone who is straight. it's just a choice of livlihood, one that should be upheld like others. as for the whole god/bible thing, it's been proven that even some animals can be gay, where they raised wrong or tempted by the devil? no, that's ridiculous, so get over it.

Parents should love their kids for who they are and accept them for who they are regardless... Its obvious these parents dont live hwo their son is, they love who they want their son to be... so they send them to a brainwashing centre... its sickening

Originally posted by DeusEx
Intrepid, I give as mad props as your mod status allows for fighting the good fight.

This just makes my stomach turn. Up here, in Canadia, we have this concept, it's a combination of the deeply abstracted 'compassion' and 'empathy', which people seem to be lacking as a whole nowadays.

We call it 'tolerance'.

Try it sometime.

*shakes head* What next? A camp because your kid's skin is black? Or they're too short?

DE

What the hell ever happened to "not givin' a damn"?

Women. Love 'em.

Homophobe? I dunno, sure. I guess. Whatever. I'm scared of getting raped if I go to prison! Whatever that is... If I call it "abject," am I an undercover homophobe? Everyone knows homophobes are undercover homos. What's to be proud of, either way? Hetero = I LIKE SEX AND I'M NORMAL!!!!!! YAY@!! Homo = I LIKE SEX AND I'M NOT A NORMAL, USUAL, DAILY PERSON!!@!!!@!!.

Well, I've got news for the homos.

Neither are hetero people. As REGULAR and NORMAL as you would imagine us, we ARE regular people -- screwed up. We're just screwed up and our genitals perk up at opposites.

I'm in a very Southern locale, and gay persecution doesn't exist as MTV's Real World would have you believe. Gays are largely ignored. Big deal? Well, I was reading about an atheist's views one day. He was answering a Christian question along the lines of, "don't Atheists lack morals and celebrate nothing?"

He said in answer, something like, "well, Atheists are generally not evangelistic. Celebrating the non-religious holiday would be like celebrating a 'Today's Not My Birthday.'"

Hopefully, this will bring enlightenment to Only One Person.

Zip

[edit on 6/17/2005 by Zipdot]

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God doesn't create gay people,
But scientists can create gay fruit flies.
www.livescience.com...

Obviously Geneticists have more skills than God. Maybe that is because they exist and he doesn't.

The old testament promotes slavery and killing your bride if she isn't a virgin.
These religions were created in barbarous times and are only suited for barbarians.

Conan the fundamentalist. Hmmm that makes a lot of sense. All these people seem to think is acceptable is for boys to become football players, soldiers, and [but its sort of gay] preachers.
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Originally posted by Zipdot


What the hell ever happened to "not givin' a damn"?

Women. Love 'em.

Homophobe? I dunno, sure. I guess. Whatever. I'm scared of getting raped if I go to prison!

[edit on 6/17/2005 by Zipdot]

**snip**

Umm... homosexual acts in prison are performed by people who even afterwards consider themselves heterosexual. That is, it is a necessity to vent sexual tension. It really has nothing to do with the homosexuality of inmates.

This thread is very disheartening. Now that the gloves are off, the Bigotry is showing quite clearly. Those people who believe that this is a good practice should get their heads checked out pronto as I sense a few screws loose, or maybe it is just brainwashing erm I mean upbringing that made the bigots into well bigots

Oh yeah don't take the Bible Literally cuz If you do then you're a sinner as you're not following the letter of the Biblical "Law" which avocates the stoning of Adultresses amoung other more heinous what we in this day and age would call crimes punishable by death in some countries as 1st degree murder ....

Originally posted by Zipdot
Homophobe? I dunno, sure. I guess. Whatever. I'm scared of getting raped if I go to prison!

Originally posted by IMPerial
Umm... homosexual acts in prison are performed by people who even afterwards consider themselves heterosexual. That is, it is a necessity to vent sexual tension. It really has nothing to do with the homosexuality of inmates.

Well you've scared him so much he'll never commit a crime again.

Im not gay but i know a lot of people who are and they are all decent people.

To this kid: if you are able to i'd clear out. it means leaving all you know behind and being strong but its either that or end up psycologically damaged then with you marbles out the window you really would be screwed.

Do you have friends you can trust, or relatives you can go to. I'd run mate.

If something like this camp existed in the UK there would be major investigation and jail terms handed out for torture and mistreatment.

In an alternate reality Tom DeLay and the President get together in the middle of the night to intervene on behalf of America's most vulnerable and raid Camp Crazy to stop child abuse.

But remember this is not that reality.