Two facts of Atlantis

Originally posted by Gazrok

An Advanced civilization.... I repeat... An Advanced civilization....

Plato makes no such claims....this is the product of later sci-fi authors, not Plato. Read the Dialogue and see for yourself.

Exactly!!! Plato DOESNT make that claim.... but somehow this idea has manifested itself into a suedo-fact. I was being completly sarcastic in my statement. The point being- IF they were to be considered an advanced civilzation there would be more evidence of this.

Peace

Edit: someone already said that

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Originally posted by lostinspace
I have to agree with the lunar cycle and not the solar cycle described by Plato. Humans were not on earth that early. My best guess on this Atlantis legend is that the Phoenicians settled a great outpost in the Caribbean Ocean to control their mining operation around the Americas. Their outposts were named after the sons of the Sea god, such as Gadeirus and Atlas. Wouldn't the greatest sea farers of all time put great emphasis on the sea god? It is highly possible that Ramses III captured a few of these Sea People and assemilated them into his Egyptian culture. The legend would have been passed down and possibly written down. There would have to have been many errors to the accuracy of the event.
There is possibly one biblical connection to the suffering of this western outpost. I would have to say the actions of King Solomon determined its fate. The ten northern tribes were so infected with the Phoenician (Caananite) religion that God had to sever the connection by dividing the Nation of Israel into ten and two and then punish that great sea faring nation by putting a stop to its western connection.

I'm glad you agree with my views regarding the lunar cycle calendar, but I hate inform you that homo-sapiens (US) have been around for over 200,000 years.

I can't for the life of me figure out why people seem to think that we, homo-sapiens, being intelligent and self-destructive, couldn't have grown to an advanced stage before times remembered only to kill ourselves off and have to start over again as children. Besides, 'Advanced' in the sense I think Plato meant it was this: The Atlanteans were the first to develop mettalurgy, more specifically Bronze. Advanced doesn't necessarily mean they had electricity or cars, but it does mean advanced further than other cultures of its time.

Happy Researching,
C.L.

Harte,
If I remember correctly you told me that there were NO references to more than one flood in Critias, well, it's time to prove you wrong as I have found the reference! In the following I've posted both the Critias in Greek and the English translation. It's only the section dealing with the reference to more than ONE flood.

CRITIAS DISCUSSED ATHENS.
[112a] what it is now. For as it is now, the action of a single night of extraordinary rain has crumbled it away and made it bare of soil, when earthquakes occurred simultaneously [BOLD]with the third of the disastrous floods which preceded the destructive deluge in the time of Deucalion. [/BOLD]1 But in its former extent, at an earlier period, it went down towards the Eridanus and the Ilissus, and embraced within it the Pnyx; and had the Lycabettus as its boundary over against the Pnyx2 ; and it was all rich in soil and, save for a small space, level on the top.

[112a] tote ouch hôs ta nun echei. nun men gar mia genomenê nux hugra diapherontôs gês autên psilên peritêxasa pepoiêke, seismôn hama kai pro tês epi Deukaliônos phthoras [BOLD]tritou proteron [/BOLD]hudatos exaisiou genomenou: to de prin en heterôi chronôi megethos men ên pros ton Êridanon kai ton Ilison apobebêkuia kai perieilêphuia entos tên Pukna kai ton Lukabêtton horon ek tou katantikru tês Puknos echousa, geôdês d' ên pasa kai plên oligon epipedos anôthen.

This comes directly from Perseus Tuft. Thanks to their translator. So, there were THREE floods discussed in Critias.

C.L.

Originally posted by cleasterwood
Harte,
If I remember correctly you told me that there were NO references to more than one flood in Critias, well, it's time to prove you wrong as I have found the reference! ... So, there were THREE floods discussed in Critias.

C.L.

CL,
What I said was that there was only one destruction of Atlantis mentioned in Plato's writings.

What I have also said, and apparently I will have to continue to say, is that the Earth's geologic record is littered with evidence of disasters. Floods, earthquakes, extraterrestrial impacts, etc. Believing that floods, earthquakes, or meteor strikes have happened adds no veracity to the story of Atlantis.

Harte

How many times I have to bring you back to my topic.

I stated that it WAS advanced civilization, which was destroyed in WORLD WAR EVENT and Earth was inhabited once , before what we know.

And yes it was south Atlantic, and wepaons were energy beams mostly, and yes they had many underground shelters then.

what movie is this ?
is it out at the cinema or one of those low budget straight to dvd b movies

Does that makes all of you happy to make someone foolish just for stating the only logical explanation of Atlantis, not looking for it in the Egypt or Andi and/or in Mediteranian.
You would believe it never existed before.
I had a vision, or dream and for me It is more real then our world.
Somebody call an ambulance fo collecting the lunatic

sure
the paramedics will be with you shortly
don't forget to tell them what medication you are currently on

Hi gypsywoman.

Welcome to the forum.

I like your theory. I have always believed that the triangle acts that way, because of the ancient land mass that did once exist and some of the things that happen there might be to account for this missing continent, or buried continent.

Basque is a language unto istself with no connections to any other langauge on the planer. I own a translatin agency and there is a book called Langauges of the World that backs up that fact.

The Pyrinnes mountains and basque people and culture, the bermunda triangle (around Bimini) and the electrical things that happen there, and my readings recently about the findings which they are calling Atlantis (Cayce stuff) and the movement of the plates and where everything used to line up has caught my attention.

Sounds like you have followed some of the more logical and practical research and come to a similar conclusion. I look forward to hearing more about your views on this.

Hi Uncle Joe.

He also said that 'Atlantis' was destroyed 9000 years before he was writing. Athens wasnt around at that time. Plato's story isnt true.

Onlyh in the 19th century, when far too many people were taught to read, was the idea of Atlantis taken seriously.

Same thing they said about Troy till they found it. Know how Schliemann found it? By following the literature to a tee.

Not by interpreting what he wanted, but by taking what the authors had written about it to a tee and searching for it that way.

If anyone is interested in finding Atlantis, they will take what Plato has said and use the factual details. It was written years before his time, but as we have seen in other cultures, oral history can be as accurate or more accurate than written text.


There are ancient maps that do show an Island mass called Atlantis, if I remember correctly.


Hi Logical_Psycho.

I can confirm the map. The rest is intriguing and bears further looking into.


Hi Indellkoffer.

They also had all sorts of other things on them, such as "the men who live here have no heads and have mouths in their stomachs."

I think you are overgeneralizing on this point. I don't recall those being written on the maps that they showed, that had Atlantis. Maybe some maps do, but I have not seen the ones you speak of.


Hi cleasterwood.

I think you made some interesting points, but I think changing the date is where all the problems are coming from.

The right answers are in front of us but the 9,000 BCE date is incorrect. IF you use solar years (365 days) you get a figure of 9,000 BCE But in lunar years, which is what the priests of Ancient Egypt used in recording history, you get a much more believable date nearer to the 900 BCE mark for the date of the last cataclysm. Also, important to mention, is that if you substitute aruoras or 'side' for stadia, the dimensions of Atlantis as described by Plato, you get a much more accurate and believable picture of what Atlantis really looked like.

That might be what the priest used, but don't you think in retelling the story Plato would have accounted for this, and made adjustments? I believe if he meant to say 900 years he would have. I still believe he said 9000 and that is what he meant.


Hi Harte.

There is no Egyptian name for Atlantis, and no excuse for cherry-picking the convenient parts of Plato's story and ignoring the inconvenient ones.

I agree you either have to take the story all or nothing.

Hi Serum39.

Now with that said, lets assume they DID expand... where is the evidence of this advanced civilization in other places? MOre Importantly- where are the other legends and stories that can confirm what Plato had said?

Maybe I'm wrong here.... but I believe if they were so advanced they would have built a boat and left their mark/story else where no?

It's a good query. Some people believe that survivors of this Island might have had a hand in giving the knowledge to build the pyramids.

Same thing they said about Troy till they found it. Know how Schliemann found it? By following the literature to a tee.

actually this is pseudohistory that frequently used by pseudohistorians as evidence of the value of not doing things properly
It was actually discovered by Charles Mclaren in 1822
and then excavated first by Frank Calvert in the 1850s
en.wikipedia.org...

this is almost 25 years before Schlieman showed up
the reason you think that schlieman found it and the reason that you think that schlieman alone was responsible for following the litearature to a tee is because thats what Schlieman told the press
obviously
now you know it wasn't even remotely true
what do you think of Schlieman now
still your hero is he ?

still
if you learn something new everyday then you havent wasted your time have you

My thought of Atlantis is.... It was named such because of where it was located; the Atlantic ocean. I'm sure everyones heard of the fact that all of Earths continent's used to touch, well I was taught that Atlantis was the link. I was also taught that the sinking of Atlantis was recorded in the Bible as the Great Flood. Alot of the knowledge we seek is in plain sight, because truth cannot lie, because it is the truth. Check out video tape Moorish History/ Moorish American History by Hakim Bey for clues to every post on this website.

Originally posted by MankoW
First these are not really facts, but since the evidence is not found till today we must relay on plato's story and possible visions of people who could receive information in that way.

Plato's story was misunderstood, he foresaw Atlantis, people thought he saw or went to Atlantis. There is no evident Plato was travelling anywhere that time.

He was daydreaming as normal human do. Clairvoyant, foresee, fortune telling, vivid dream, lucid dream and many more to call.

Atlantis is:





It is now and future, not past!!!!!!!








And it is in Arab, moeslems' country. Where people live happily in harmony.
As the matter of fact, real Atlantis is full of technology. Telecommunication, infrastructure and culture, and many more. While far beyond people thoughts about imaginative Atlantis, this is what Plato saw!

Now you know why America gov't the Jews created so many wars especially in Middle East? They just can't live without jealousy!!!!!!!!







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Atlantis was destroyed by an impact from a asteroid. The thing with these impacts is they behave similar to a high intensity arc discharge. They release tremendous amounts of energy when the body comes close to the earths surface/on impact. Kind of like an interstellar static discharge (the body moving through space generates a potential).

This was realised when we observed those impacts on Jupiter, and on a smaller comet that i forget the name of. The blasts were larger than they should have been, and can only be explained by a discharge phenomina.

"Thunderbolts of the Gods" documentary explains the truth of how the universe is electric, whether it be with comets tails, sunspots, or even blackholes..

Originally posted by CinLung
Plato's story was misunderstood, he foresaw Atlantis, people thought he saw or went to Atlantis. There is no evident Plato was travelling anywhere that time.

He was daydreaming as normal human do. Clairvoyant, foresee, fortune telling, vivid dream, lucid dream and many more to call.

Atlantis is:





It is now and future, not past!!!!!!!

Dubai worship bulls, is on the technology level of ancient greece and is the most powerfull nation in the med?

Someone need to tell them to catch up a bit. Oh and stop waring with Greece.

Here are 2 facts about alantis:

1 Plato mentioned it once
2 Millions of people seem to think they know where is was and how it was destroyed

Speculation and collabarative fiction can be fun, but lets not bring the whole "fact" thing into it.

You're forgetting that 3 separate times in Plato's account, he expresses that this story is factual and not just a parable.

Also, I'd behoove you to at least check out the Altiplano in Bolivia, and see where it fits the bill on point after point.

Note however, Plato mentions NOTHING about deathrays, electricity, and all that nonsense....such attributes are the imaginings of later, fiction writers.

Originally posted by yamez
My thought of Atlantis is.... It was named such because of where it was located; the Atlantic ocean. I'm sure everyones heard of the fact that all of Earths continent's used to touch, well I was taught that Atlantis was the link. .

the Atlantic ocean was first called that in 1601
www.etymonline.com...
thats about 11101 years too late for this story

and if Atlantis is the missing piece
why is it that the americas fit very nicely into Africa/Europe already ?



[edit on 16-5-2007 by apollyon_uk]

and if Atlantis is the missing piece
why is it that the americas fit very nicely into Africa/Europe already ?

Because the continent of Atlantis is now called "South America" (being larger than (Plato's idea) of Libya and Asia combined).

The CITY of Atlantis is located "midway, along the continent's longest side" in a "rectangular plain"...and (imho) is today called the Altiplano in Bolivia.

the greeks didn't know about America
so S America is out
the idea of Atlantis being on the american continent was first suggested by Edgar Cayce
while he was asleep


the "altiplano" is the spanish word for "high plain"
are you saying the Atlanteans spoke spanish

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by malice_devious
hes psychic and i think it was in the twenties that he predicted that the entrance or at least a part of atlantis would be discovered. and he was right!

No, he was wrong. Atlantis nor a portion of it didn't resurface. People realized that there was 'beachrock' off the coast of bimini, in a formation tht seems to follow an older coastline. The structure is a naturally occuring structure.

no, you are wrong, he predicted that it would be discovered, not that it would resurface