Two facts of Atlantis

First these are not really facts, but since the evidence is not found till today we must relay on plato's story and possible visions of people who could receive information in that way.

Position of Atlantis is in the south Atlantic and it is logical to put it near African soil, in that way trade with Egypt is easily done across central Africa then down the Nile. It was many islands connected with bridges so it is not one big piece of land what we are looking for, and yes St Helen is what once was part of the Atlantean federation.

Second it was not natural disaster what killed those people but possible death rays and some sort of missile weaponry, or quiet possible was war with outer invaders.

www.expertclick.com...

"Furthermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the streets were littered with "black lumps of glass."

These globs of glass were discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat!

With the cataclysmic sinking of Atlantis and the wiping out of Rama with atomic weapons, the world collapsed into a "stone age" of sorts, and modern history picks up a few thousand years later. Yet, it would seem that not all the Vimanas and Vailixi of Rama and Atlantis were gone.

Built to last for thousands of years, many of them would still be in use, as evidenced by Ashoka's "Nine Unknown Men" and the Lhasa manuscript."

www.ufoarea.com...

It seems that because of losing the war in final strike Atlantean Forces launched final attack versus the enemies killing virtually all the human in the region of the war and maybe provoked or designed self destruction and evacuated to south america or pacific.
Maybe one step further that this type of weapon was global, so once you use it you can not focus it clearly, it has to have some coneection with resonating in Earth upper atmosphere. (HAARP? sort of this weapon)
Only logical explanation must be simple.

Originally posted by MankoW


"Furthermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the streets were littered with "black lumps of glass."

These globs of glass were discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat!

There would be a natural cause for this. A large enough meteor., could pass through the atmosphere without impacting the Earth , it would generate massive amounts of heat, melting glass, frying chicken, you get the picture.

Originally posted by MankoW

Second it was not natural disaster what killed those people but possible death rays and some sort of missile weaponry, or quiet possible was war with outer invaders.

ive never thought of that. i know this isnt really the thread to get into the whole alien conspiracy type stuff but it kinda ties in. maybe humans got so advanced that these aliens who have been keeping their eye on us thought humans had gotten too advanced and maybe feared harm from us, so they came down and wiped them out, leaving only the less advanced societies. Maybe that is what they are doing right now, the reason they come down here is to check on us and if we keep on moving at the rate we are in technology the next major wiping out of humans is coming. just a thought!

Originally posted by MankoW
"Furthermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the streets were littered with "black lumps of glass."
These globs of glass were discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat!

Heat of a fire, not a nuclear holocaust, and I'd be surprised if clay somehow became actual glass. Those cities experienced devastation, by fire (if at all), not death rays and nukes

hes psychic and i think it was in the twenties that he predicted that the entrance or at least a part of atlantis would be discovered. and he was right! he predicted over fifty years ago, give or take, that it would be found in the bahamas and it was, after he died mind you. around the site there is now a resort and you can go on expeditions and view the under water ruins. i think this should have gotten a lot more attention than it did but it seems people are more interested in the mystery of atlantis and figuring it out than the actual city's existence. i believe people come up with all kinds of # that i call, "mental masterbation." as a matter of fact i have my own, if you will. the city was destroyed by a worldwide flood. this flood was documented time and time again. there is even evidence that the sphinx in egypt is remains of a preexisting egyptian civilization and the sphinx shows evidence of water erosion but that is another story another time. about the subject at hand, check these links,...

www.draddog.com...
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plenty more where that came from, i believe atlantis was fouind and this is it. however, i could be wrong

Originally posted by malice_devious
hes psychic and i think it was in the twenties that he predicted that the entrance or at least a part of atlantis would be discovered. and he was right!

No, he was wrong. Atlantis nor a portion of it didn't resurface. People realized that there was 'beachrock' off the coast of bimini, in a formation tht seems to follow an older coastline. The structure is a naturally occuring structure.

The following will help to further the hypothesis that Atlantis was destroyed through a nuclear holocaust:

The Evidence For Ancient Atomic Warfare

Nuclear weapons are what we use, I wouldn't stick with them when talking about war of the Atlanteans vs the enemy, I said once it was more probable usage of global weapons, like HAARP, something which can resonate in the upper atmosphere and bring destruction, death rays is interesting for Tesla popular science, Tesla eventually came to that weapon, and if they fought they fought with that ray, it explains how there is no of almost none radiation remained.
Most obviously they were losing the war so they used death ray, and so it may be connected with the flood since maior Earthquake could have been or also Earth Upper atmosphere breach which lead to cosmic radiation sweapt all who survived.
So I stick with the artifacts in the deep ocean theory, too. This entrance to Atlantis, maybe it is, but still south Atlantic region is where Atlantis was.
But how I came to this, it's a secret, but one hint: everywhere I read all locations but south Atlantic were more probable, so there it is, in the least probable spot.

Before entering into this conversation, I would like to know how "Atlantis" is being defined. Plato gives an account but those interpeting him vary the dates and places. There are other neo-legends after Plato. What are we talking about here?

Originally posted by malice_devious
around the site there is now a resort and you can go on expeditions and view the under water ruins.

www.draddog.com...
www.draddog.com...
www.draddog.com...

plenty more where that came from, i believe atlantis was fouind and this is it. however, i could be wrong

Uhhh... that's a RESORT not real ruins...

Besides, I don't see any death rays or alien spaceships so it can't be Atlantis.

'Atlantis was only a powerful literary device invented by Plato, which was to act as a means of highlighting the fate of the ideal state created in Plato's mind's eye. The only place in which Atlantis can be found, in addition to the writings of Plato, is in the minds of those with an imagination as vivid as that of Plato.' - Daniel Dombrowski (classical scholar)

Originally posted by MankoW
First these are not really facts,

Agreed. They aren't.

Position of Atlantis is in the south Atlantic and it is logical to put it near African soil, in that way trade with Egypt is easily done across central Africa then down the Nile. It was many islands connected with bridges so it is not one big piece of land what we are looking for, and yes St Helen is what once was part of the Atlantean federation.

The website where you found that information is by someone who has absolutly no knowledge of geography or history... or archaeology. "St. Helen" is in *Canada* and that's hardly "south Atlantic." And while we have plenty of artifacts along the Nile from civilizations that were real and did trade with the Egyptians, we have ZERO artifacts from the imaginary Atlantis.

Second it was not natural disaster what killed those people but possible death rays and some sort of missile weaponry, or quiet possible was war with outer invaders.

www.expertclick.com...

No offense, here, but you should drop that website from your list of bookmarks. The source book is unbelievably inaccurate (their "zoomorphic pendant from Panama resembles a backhoe" (groan) is nothing like a backhoe -- and one wonders if the writer has ever actually seen any machinery or any real technology.

"Furthermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the streets were littered with "black lumps of glass."

These globs of glass were discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat!

Another example of some classic stupidity by a writer who's too lazy to fact check. In fact, there aren't "black lumps of glass" around. There's lots and lots and lots of terra cotta bangles and there's lots of faience:
www.harappa.com...

www.infinityfoundation.com...

A nice page about what they REALLY found (with some good ancient Indian technology notes, and sources for things like tin which brought in the Bronze Age):
www.hindunet.org...

Only logical explanation must be simple.

Sadly, when you get "information" from websites that don't fact check and YOU don't fact check and some of their sources made up stuff... you will never arrive at the truth.

As far as a "real Atlantis" is concerned, well, the known world DID lose track of an ENTIRE CONTINENT at one point. This continent is South America. Perhaps when Columbus discovered the Americas, if he would have KNOWN both where he was (he thought he was near Japan) and the story of Atlantis, he would not have had to name the continent San Salvador because it already had a name - Atlantis.

Don't get all caught up on the utopia and the flood parts of the story - these are based on creative license. The story about the land is true. The morality fable is not.

from some random web page about South America
The whole country is of continental size.
It is opposite the Pillars of Hercules.
In the centre of the continent there is a plain.
The plain is next to the sea.
The plain is an elongated rectangle.
The plain is enclosed by mountains.
The plain has a level surface.
The plain is high above the level of the Ocean sea.
The plain contains volcanoes of similar size to the original volcanic island city.
The plain is midway along the longest side of the continent.
The plain has a system of canals.
The region faces south, as seen on Inca map.
Hot and cold springs exist on the plain.
The plain is prone to earthquakes.
The plain is prone to floods.
The region rises sheer out of the sea to a great height.
The surrounding mountains contain lakes and streams.
The mountains contains gold.
The mountains contains silver.
The mountains contain copper.
The mountains contain tin.
The mountains contain a natural alloy of copper and gold (orichalcum).
"Atl" and "Antis" are South American words meaning "water" and "copper".
The Inca called one quarter of their empire "Antisuyo".
A flood legend of a city punished by the Gods exists on the plain.

Zip

OK I think I missed the spelling it is St Helena.


www.sthelena.se...

I dont't know who is wrong here, I understand this as a south, and close to africa Atlantic
It even says here
www.sthelena.se...

Saint Helena - The Island in The South Atlantic Ocean in these words, I hope those people know where it is.





Latitude 16º S
Longitude 5º45' W

This link is interesting
"Within the South Atlantic there are a number of distinct volcanic lineaments (Figure 1) in the form of aseismic ridges (e.g. Rio Grande Rise, Walvis Ridge) and chains of seamounts and oceanic islands (e.g. St. Helena Seamounts and the Cameroon Volcanic Line). These volcanic lineaments have been previously explained by the upwelling of deep mantle plumes since the onset of continental break-up in the Early Cretaceous – the St. Helena Seamount chain and the Walvis Ridge linked to the St. Helena and Tristan mantle plumes respectively (Wilson, 1992). The simplicity of the mantle plume and hotspot trails concept tends to raise more questions than it answers."
www.mantleplumes.org...

Originally posted by Zipdot
As far as a "real Atlantis" is concerned, well, the known world DID lose track of an ENTIRE CONTINENT at one point. This continent is South America. Perhaps when Columbus discovered the Americas, if he would have KNOWN both where he was (he thought he was near Japan) and the story of Atlantis, he would not have had to name the continent San Salvador because it already had a name - Atlantis.

I've read a fair amount about Atlantis on the internet, and thought about where Atlantis might have been, if it existed. I CANNOT believe that I NEVER even considered that the Americas were Atlantis. That is one cool idea, and for being the first to bring it to my attention, I'm giving you a WATS

My personal theory is that IF Atlantis ever existed, it would have had to have been very small, a city or a small island, because otherwise there should be some sort of dramatic geological evidence that it sunk.

Here's a site where the author theorizes that Atlantis was near Indonesia. I think he's buying into the 'Lemuria' theory, which was a silly idea that theorized a giant land bridge called 'Lemuria' that used to exist is why lemurs are found in Africa and Asia.

I can believe an ancient culture existed that was more advanced than any other we have found, but not to the degree that some claim. For example, I don't believe that they had any kind of 'modern' technology like flying machines or that sort of thing. Personally, I doubt Atlantis existed, since (as far as I am aware) only Plato ever wrote about it. I had once heard a rumor that a guy in Egypt also wrote about it, but someone on ATS (I think it was Byrd) debunked that rumor to shreds.

Text"St. Helen" is in *Canada* and that's hardly "south Atlantic." And while we have plenty of artifacts along the Nile from civilizations that were real and did trade with the Egyptians, we have ZERO artifacts from the imaginary Atlantis.

"st Helana" is right off the coast of west africa, some of you know that i work as a project organizer with this company www.corlettmaritima.com .In the coming years we intend to do an in depth study of the island.

Because of the field in which i work i have been privlliged to an awful lot of information many people are unaware of, i havent got the time at the moment to go into great details with the comment im about to make but some of the most well respected people i have worked with who have a serious intrest in atlantis and have come to the conclusion that if it was actually a real place its location was the Azores (belonging to portugal).

Again our company has expressed an intrest in doing in depth studys of these islands although this will again not be for some time.

Regards.

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
I've read a fair amount about Atlantis on the internet, and thought about where Atlantis might have been, if it existed. I CANNOT believe that I NEVER even considered that the Americas were Atlantis. That is one cool idea, and for being the first to bring it to my attention, I'm giving you a WATS

Thank you. DragonsDemesne, I am sure you will appreciate this web page very much -- it is taken by many here on ATS as the closest thing to a "conclusion" on Atlantis questions:

Atlantis in Bolivia.

It is complete with pictures of the three-ringed city, Atlantean colors, and whatnot. It is much better than the website I mentioned above - actually, I was looking for this website when I posted that one.

Zip

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
The Evidence For Ancient Atomic Warfarep

Large desert areas strewn with mysterious globules of "glass"--known as tektites--are occasionally discussed in geological literature. These blobs of "hardened glass" (glass is a liquid, in fact) are thought to come from meteorite impacts in most instances, but the evidence shows that in many cases there is no impact crater.

The page then states that Okeefe, a geologist who specialized in tektites, did reserach that supports the idea tht tektites are the result of nukes, however his research does nothing of the source, and rather he notes that tektites have a lunar origin.

vitrified forts

Simply setting fire to these structures results in vitirification of some of the materials, and, not surprisingly, the glasses are associated with fire cracked rocks and charcoal. T his paper notes that the tomb of a pharoah was raided, and the wooden tomb set afire, and that that was sufficient to vitrify the bricks in the tomb.


Most of the rest of the page simply notes that we don't know what 'greek fire' was, and that it might've been some sort of plasma weapon, or that HAARP is a super-weapon and that the ancients could've made something like it to, or that Teslar Death Rays were fired across libya. That page does not go far in supporting ancient advanced tech and ancient nuke war.

Azores is part of the Atlantean kingdom but more on the frontier to the old world. South Atlantic is where continent disapeared.
This northern part sure was of some strategic importance, but I doubt it was the centre or main part of the atlantean country.
It was country of the many islands. And it was behind the Gibraltar, or what they call it Herculean Gate or something, if it was even one inch to the north they would say you go to Atlantis from British or French or from pirinee. It was strictly for going through Gibraltar. And then to the South.
I read somewhere St Helena was mountain top of the old Atlantis, which remains on the above sea altitude.
It is more intriguing if we know That the Napoleon died there and he did warfare in Egypt!!!

It is great place to start the search in the vicinity of the Asores although it wasn't part of the main Atlantean land, because therefore these Islands wasn't primary objective, mainland was.

Hello. I am new to this board. I had a theory and no one to discuss it with. So I searched for a board that had some out of the box thinkers and found this one.

Now..if you look at the old way the earth was before the plates moved it has what is now the bremuda triangle connecting Florida and the place that would be the Pyrinees mountains.

Atlantis is somewhere in the triangle near Bimini.

The Basque people if you trace their language connects to no other language on Earth.

So if you connect the Basque language, Atlantis and the Bermuda triangle and how civilizations can be lost, where they came from and why strange things happen it makes sense.


Any comments?
GW