The Great Seal

I'm sure alot of you know that the eye in the pyramid symbolizes the god Horus. Pyramids are Egyptian, the eye in Egypt was a symbol for Horus. I was reading about Horus and saw a picture that made me realize both seals on the dollar bill symbolize Horus. Compare these two pictures

Notice the objects in it's claws, notice the solar disc of Aten, notice which way it's facing. I'm not sure what this means. Maybe someone else can elaborate on this. I'll kick some more knowledge down if something catches my eye.

Good research. But frankly.. I'm not up to speed yet here.
Dallas

Originally posted by Cattlest
I'm sure alot of you know that the eye in the pyramid symbolizes the god Horus. Pyramids are Egyptian, the eye in Egypt was a symbol for Horus. I was reading about Horus and saw a picture that made me realize both seals on the dollar bill symbolize Horus.

Symbols mean different things to different groups of people. Hw can you say that the symbols on the dollar bill represent Horus, when we're not even Egyptian nor do we worship Egyptian gods? Your claim is absolutely absurd! The all-seeing eye is merely a symbol of deity, all-seeing and all-knowing. Floating above an unfinished pyramid, it stands for a nation, still developing, under God.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
[Symbols mean different things to different groups of people. Hw can you say that the symbols on the dollar bill represent Horus, when we're not even Egyptian nor do we worship Egyptian gods? Your claim is absolutely absurd! The all-seeing eye is merely a symbol of deity, all-seeing and all-knowing. Floating above an unfinished pyramid, it stands for a nation, still developing, under God.

We're not Egyptian, but as I said Pyramids are. So that is one thing that is Egyptian on the dollar bill. The eye is certainly a familar vignette
. With the similarities between falcon Horus and the Great Seal of the United States, which is on the adjacent side of the one dollar bill U.S. This explanation seems a bit redundant to me, but you asked me how I come to this conclusion. Which I feel is absurd only to those who's mind is already made up. Regardless of what you've been told of what it means, true or false, doesn't mean it isn't Egyptian influenced for whatever reason. So is there any other arguement against this not representing or influenced by mythical Horus, besides that the United States isn't Egypt?

Originally posted by Cattlest
We're not Egyptian, but as I said Pyramids are. So that is one thing that is Egyptian on the dollar bill.

The ancient Aztecs, Toltecs, Chinese and Hindus, among others, would all be VERY upset to hear this, considering that they all produced some kind of pyramid at one point in time. Pyramids have always been a symbol of civilization, and this is why they exist on the dollar bill.

Regardless of what you've been told of what it means, true or false, doesn't mean it isn't Egyptian influenced for whatever reason. So is there any other arguement against this not representing or influenced by mythical Horus, besides that the United States isn't Egypt?

Like I explained above, pyramids have been a symbol of civilization for a long time, and the eagle always a symbol of knowledge and power. I'm amazed that you completely overlooked either of these well-known facts when trying to come to your own conclusion, but I guess that is what conspiracy theorists do when they try to twist facts to support their claims.

Ignoring facts is, in itself, ignorant.

[edit on 27-6-2005 by sebatwerk]

Do not think I'm ignorant of other cultures Pyramid structures. For I know enough about them to know that all the other civilization's pyramids you mentioned look different than the one on the US dollar bill. But that same pyramid on the dollar is identical to an Egyptian pyramid. To not see these similarities is to physically put blinders on your eyes. To what facts I'm ignoring? I have considered this all coincidental, but it seems a bit too much to think these things which point to a Horus connection happened by chance.

A quick note about this subject that I have posted before. www.greatseal.com...
There are more and many such sites about the Great Seal of the United States. The founders were very well educated and thoughtful men. This symbol was thoroughly studied and went through several incarnations before the final product was decided on. There are even some sites that give the traditional description in Heraldic terms about the symbols and their placement.
There is also evidence in the Congressional records of the period that show the progress and direction of development of the Seal. This was no childish conspiracy or secret cabal that developed this symbol, there was thoughtful deliberation and serious discusion about it's place and worth as an important statement to the world about our place in the world.
It's hard for me to undestand all the bantering about this subject, so much information is out there about it. A quick and judicious look at the pertinent facts would put alot of the contention to rest.

I've seen the picture with the owl on the front of the dollar, and yeah I don't really see that one, but....

does anyone else see an owl at the left of the base of the unfinished pyramid on the back of the dollar?

loserkage
No I don't see an owl at the base of the pyramid.

By the way, it has already been established that the "owl" on the front of the dollar bill is really just the tip of one of the cones formed by the webbing in the background, covered by the number 1's frame. There are several such cones all around the front of the dollar bill, look and you'll see what I mean.

HAHAHHAHAHA!

I was going to originally post this

"does anyone else (besides sebatwek) see an owl at the left of the base of the unfinished pyramid on the back of the dollar?"

I know you don't before you even look, I've seen your spamming crap in every topic and I'm really not interested in your opinion.

anyone else?

By the way, it has already been established that the "owl" on the front of the dollar bill is really just the tip of one of the cones formed by the webbing in the background, covered by the number 1's frame. There are several such cones all around the front of the dollar bill, look and you'll see what I mean.

Just because you posted these same opinions in a different topic doesn't mean its been "established", theres is no link or anything its just you typing opinions but since you personally typed it its now "established"?! Here I'll post what you typed right here for you to review and maybe you can help explain to me how its "established" (I never said I saw the owl on the front to begin with man you are so predictable)

posted on 16-6-2005 at 06:37 AM Post Number: 1462774 (post id: 1484667)
quote: Originally posted by adz
i beleive the owl represents some the ancient egyptian beleifs


But there is no owl! The "owl" that you see there is merely the tip of one of the cones made by the gridlines in the background of the dollar bill. You only see the tip because the rest of the cone is covered by the frame of the "1". You can see the same such cones around the rest of the border of the back of the dollar bill. Look at the tip of each cone... look exactly like your "owl"

Why don't you also post the picture I included which shows what I claim? It has been ESTABLISHED because nobody has been able to refute my post. I took the time to post my evidence, nobody refuted it, therefore it has been established.

Regardless of whether or not you disagree with my posts, there really isn't much reason to be so hostile, is there? Calling my posts "spamming crap" and other nonsense isn't the kind of exchanges we aspire to here in an adult forum, is it?

In fact, I DID look on the dollar bill to see if I could find an owl on the base of the pyramid, and I did not find any such thing. I was being nice, playing along. But since you wanna be such a prick about it, so be it. So what if I'm predictable... do you always get so aggressive towards people who's ideas you don't agree with? Or are you just afraid to discuss issues with someone who's willing to back his up?

Get off your box, loser-kage

[edit on 28-6-2005 by sebatwerk]

I have seen the cone or whatever that is on the front of the dollar bill. Ignorant of what it really is I thought it resembled a spider. Which would be fitting, for the background of the dollar is similar to a web.
**This is strictly opinion, a subject I have no interest debating**

[edit on 28-6-2005 by Cattlest]

[edit on 28-6-2005 by Cattlest]

Originally posted by Cattlest
Compare these two pictures

Cattlest,

What is the source of the Horus image? That could have easily been created after the US Seal; without citing your source, there is no way to verify it.

Thanks

Here are some websites that I have seen use the symbol in their talks of Ancient Egyptian Religion. This is in no way to prooves that this is a genuine artifact, though I find it a compelling arguement that multiple people use this in their talks of Horus. I will try a better way to autheticate this symbol as Ancient Egyptian.

Egyptian Website 1
Egyptian Website 2

Why don't you also post the picture I included which shows what I claim? It has been ESTABLISHED because nobody has been able to refute my post. I took the time to post my evidence, nobody refuted it, therefore it has been established.

theres no picture in your post, you posted no evidence, and yes I'm being hostile because I read WAY to many of your posts yesterday because you post in every damn topic. Anyway I'm over it, good luck with your agitation.

Originally posted by loserkage
theres no picture in your post, you posted no evidence, and yes I'm being hostile because I read WAY to many of your posts yesterday because you post in every damn topic. Anyway I'm over it, good luck with your agitation.

You sure are a snippy one. Disagree with my posts all you want, but don't act like a prick for no reason.

Here's the image I posted. I know it doesn't have much to do with the thread, but I don't like your attitude so I'm taking it upon myself to shut you up. It shows where there are other such "owls" on the dollar bill, which are actually cones made from the webbing in the background of the bill:



Another possible theory is that the "owl" is just the tip of one of the leaves from the branch there next to the number. What it is definitely NOT is an owl. They would have made it clearer, wouldn't have left any doubts, if that was their intention.

[edit on 28-6-2005 by sebatwerk]

I have found that that particular Falcon penchant was retrieved from King Tutankhamen's tomb. Meaning the authenticity is not a factor. Though I have found evidence to the contrary that the United States Seal is modeled after it. King Tutankhamen's tomb was excavated from 1922 to 1930. According to Sharkman's website (thanks btw) tells that the inception of the United States Seal was in 1782, though the finished product was finished on 1945. There is virtually no chance that the original Seal was modeled after this particular artifact. Perhaps, it was modified to look like that. Whatever the truth is, it still seems unlikely to me it was accidentally modeled as such.

could the word annuit be anunit ? they are strikingly similar.

www.greatseal.com... (origin of roman word annue in phrase annue coeptis and changing to annuit)

www.experiencefestival.com...

www3.usenetarchive.org...

" She [ishtar] appears under various names, among which are Nanã,
Innanna, Nina and Anunit."

when virgil wrote that poem (see first link) the dionysis-baccus religion was already in place. this is probably where the greek word annuit comes from as its derivative from old customs. Its safe to say that the US State Dept version of it is correct save one capitalization"He (god) has favored our undertakings)"...

Originally posted by dh
What's the problem - the symbols are well known, as is the language - 'Annuit coeptis' the task is accomplished - 'The New Order of the World'

Sorry to be picky, but Annuit Coeptis means something along the lines of "the beginning of the year". I'm not too skilled with Latin grammar yet, but it's something like that.