100 new Abu Ghraib pictures/videos to be released of children and women raped

I know for a Fact that USA has an Archipelago of Prison Camps scattered all over the Planet - Guantanamo and Abu Gharib are just the ones that are known to us due to all the media coverege.

What do you think is going on in those Camps that we dont know about?

Do you think they take pictures there also?

I doubt it...

Souljah buddy, That may well be the case, but what does that have to do with what this "news" submission is going on about?
Since none of these ghost detention camps are even mentioned in either the the author's intro or in the source. What do the ghost centers have anything to do with the subject?

Well you can Imagine what goes on in the Ghost Camps that nobody knows of.

Most of the people imprisoned are innocent and are being held up to 3 years without any charges or any help from outside.

Well you can Imagine what goes on in the Ghost Camps that nobody knows of.

They are rumored to exist. proof their existance is less than there is at Roswell.

Most of the people imprisoned are innocent and are being held up to 3 years without any charges or any help from outside

I agree with the part on being held for up to 3 years without charges or assistance. So you have proof of their innocence?
Again though, I have to ask you, what do these ghost camps have to do with the subject of this thread?
Attempting to add them as a fact to support this thread is the same as comparing apples to oranges. Remember, alot know Abu Ghrab and Gitmo.
No one has any info on these camps other than rumors of rumors of rumors.

I belive that all this "Gitmo" stories are just a diversion from the real thing that is going on - I mean we must show something to the public, not all of it.

Then the meaning of the word "ghost camp" would be completly lost.

mythatsabigprobe
don't understand this...? I don't see any edit stamps on the article and I can't see anything remotely horrible or disgraceful in the intro?

The article itself doesn't say anything about 'videos of children screaming while being sodomized by US interrogators'. The author, making such a sensationalistic statement as if it were a fact stated in the article is the major issue here with this submission. The 'No:Bias' button is for precisely such a case. And look, the end paragraph, where the author can insert his/her comments, their own opinion, its practically empty, because they're already said what they want to say. The intro paragraph is supposed to be a neutral synopsis of the article based on whats in the article. Thats why everyone should vote No:Bias, because there is unacceptable sensationalism and bias in the intro and title. If ATSNN is to mean anything, it has to not be so easily manipulated into a not-so-sly propaganda platform, and the only way that that can happen is if members vote down garbage like this.

kenshiro
Since the title as well as the intro have nothing to do with the source. Why has this submission not been sent to file 13 (trash)

I almost hope that it doesn't, just so we can see if the ATS community has any competency as a community.

souljah
Well you can Imagine what goes on in the Ghost Camps that nobody knows of.

Its especially easy to imagine it when people make 'news' articles claiming that there are videos of women and children screaming while being brutally sodomized and raped by interrogators, without any evidence of it. See, the intro paragraph here is a fabrication, the article that the intro is supposed to be about does not make these statements, and the submiter added them of their own accord. How many people saw this article and thought ;holy crap, and from the Independant, this is huge! I did, i read the ATSNN submission, and others would read the ATSNN Article and see sheer falsehoods, and think that its true. The allegations might very well be true, but the author of the submission has no clue and has no evidence and most imporantly, the intro paragraph is the factual synopsis of the article cited, and should only have the information in that article, so the whole submission must be shot down (which, of course, just means that it becomes an ATS discussion thread, rather than an ATSNN news article).

Nygdan,
There you go again! You have gone and ruined my whole day! Once again we actually agree 150% on this! The file13 was made as a joke. If there was a way to give a WATS I would.
I hate it when that happens

[edit on 7-6-2005 by kenshiro2012]

"It is not known exactly what the 144 photographs and videos depict, but they are from the same sources as the graphic images of prisoners being piled up on top of each other, threatened by attack dogs and forced into sexually compromising positions that triggered scandal and outrage just over a year ago." - quoted from the article source

The intro paragraph and title are misleading. These claims are not supported by any sources at the moment.

Trash.

It is not known exactly what the 144 photographs and videos depict

the pics and videos should be released. even if a fraction of the allagations are true......i will lose EVEN MORE respect for the military and govt. i know from my own experience in law enforcement that abuse of this magnetude could not..no, never happen without the 'ol head nod or 'look away' from higher ups.

yes there are the ...'enemy'. but I guess i was under the very obviously mistaken assumption that, we as a military, as a people, as a country were above this kind of malicous,unproffesional, un American treatment of POW's.
the damage was done, now, just like the countries we invaded, we must now pay the price.

once again, does the current u.s. govt reflect what the people of the u.s. belive/want?? are the people a reflection of the govt?

Ok...
just because America is recently being seen as a terrible country, due to us doing unto them, they way they have always done unto us....
keep in mind...

the only thing that has changed is the disclosure...
we know more about all this now... this administration is the first one that has had to face the power of international instant communication via the internet...

well almost:
Clinton was actually the first, but you see where that got him right... he gets busted for something that every other president has done since the begining.

with quick and easy communication... the world will change...
unless the internet reputation can be ruined...

Can an ATSNN moderator possibly u2u the author and ask him/her to change the title before this gets out of hand, or just trash the thread? I hope for the author's sake that it is trashed and not upgraded. Whoever it is, having read the responses here I'd wager he or she has learnt a valuable lesson and does not need to be exposed to a witchhunt or a lynch mob.

The intro paragraph and title are misleading. These claims are not supported by any sources at the moment.

Seymour Hersh is a credible source.

Also, from the secondary source :

At the end of this post are links to digital copies of two documents from the Taguba report, hosted on the Washington Post website. Is it possible that they document the exact incidents to which Hersh referred? Excerpt from statement provided by Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee #151108, on January 18 2004:

I saw [name deleted] #ing a kid, his age would be about 15 - 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn't covered and I saw [name deleted] who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid's ass. I couldn't see the face of the kid because his face wasn't in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures. [name deleted], I think he is [deleted] because of his accent, and he was not skinny or short, and he acted like a homosexual (gay). And that was in cell #23 as best as I remember.

Another testimony alleging abuse of minors from a statement provided by Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee #150427, on January 17, 2004:

I saw lots of people getting naked for a few days getting punished in the first days of Ramadan. They came with two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and Grainer was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were young. I don't know their names.

[edit on 7-6-2005 by Moretti]

Did anybody bother to check the supporting link or read my post regarding the origin of the rape claim? It was cited, just not as the main article.

According to the link provided, the reporter who broke Mai Lai spoke to the ACLU about the footage and recordings, which he claimed to have seen.

I think a lot of people like to comment without educating themselves first. If I were the author, I would have used the supporting link as the primary, and that would have nipped about a dozen following posts in the bud.

Anyone have an opinion on the veracity of that reporters claim? Anyone think it's a little wierd that he's involved in this?

Sy Hersh might be credible if this was picked up by The New Yorker, but this is an old story handed down from an alleged ACLU speech quoted by Daily Kos then requoted by boingboing.net, hardly an acceptable way to source info for ATSNN IMHO.

Ok, if hosting is your problem, take a look at the two eyewitness reports given above, they were hosted by the Washington Post.

WyrdeOne,
I do not question Seymour Hersh. What I do question is this.
The statement made by him was done over a year ago. The related source that was provided is third hand at best as DJ mentioned.
This statement was done 11 months ago (according to the source) but as of today, Seymour Hersh has not provided one single shred of evidence to support his claims.
Now, after all this time, if there was a single shred of evidence to support his claim, just how much veracity can be given to him?
As to the author's claims that there are photos and video....... niether the source nor the related link has this.
Now again, how much can any of this information be believed?
I could turn around and say I saw such things occuring back during the Gulf War (yes I was there). Since I was there, I would be a first hand witness. Now If I started making wild statments to the media that I saw such tragedies... just how much would I be believed.
CBS has just gone through a very similar issue. Their news programs and anchors were one of the most respected in journalism. Yet, when they did not validate thier claims but went straight to press. Look what has been the fallout.

Further links :

www.truthout.org...

newstandardnews.net...

Moretti,
The links again are nearly a year old. and as of today 6/7/2005, not one of the claims have been substantiated.

It is not known exactly what the 144 photographs and videos depict, but they are from the same sources as the graphic images of prisoners being piled up on top of each other, threatened by attack dogs and forced into sexually compromising positions that triggered scandal and outrage just over a year ago.

That is the ONLY MENTION in the attached article about the nature of the pictures. NO WHERE in the article is anything mentioned related to the member who posted this in ATSNN's accusations of rape and sodomy of children. As such, this is simply not worthy of being in ATSNN because the entire introduction is false and contains no evidence to support it.

Misrepresenting things is not a good practice for ATSNN. I don't know why no one has moved it off yet, but it will be.