Eurofighter vs. X-35 and F-22

Oddly from what I've read the EF would engage enemy aircraft at much longer range than the F-22.
From the quotes i've seen the F-22 always shoots aircraft from there six. When you shooting an aircraft down from the behind you can be reducing the missile range to something like a quarter. Where the EF will be engage head on as you get a much better chance of a kill.

Now why does the F-22 does this, well once they open the weapons bay in front of the enemy aircraft they will be found on rader and once found they may well stay found and in danger of getting shot down. So they have to circle round to maintain there stealth.

As to Eurofighter 'Typhoon' v F22 or whatever, then F22 and the 'whatever' will win hands down. Even a Bf109G could beat a Eurofighter - for the reasons I've given on another thread.



yeah right... f22's getting shooted down by learjet's

Originally posted by deckard83
Oddly from what I've read the EF would engage enemy aircraft at much longer range than the F-22.
From the quotes i've seen the F-22 always shoots aircraft from there six. When you shooting an aircraft down from the behind you can be reducing the missile range to something like a quarter. Where the EF will be engage head on as you get a much better chance of a kill.

Now why does the F-22 does this, well once they open the weapons bay in front of the enemy aircraft they will be found on rader and once found they may well stay found and in danger of getting shot down. So they have to circle round to maintain there stealth.

The F-22 can network, one fighter can remain undetected and target while a few hang back and launch missiles while the targeting fighter vectors them in. Similar technique the wolf packs used. Even without AWACS support the F-22 can still take the EF.

Originally posted by Figher Master FIN
Yes ok, I getr youre point, But the plane isn't combat prooven... So untill it is... Nobody should brag about the plane...

RIGHT...?

Neither is the EF what's your point?

Originally posted by Xaldian

Originally posted by deckard83
Oddly from what I've read the EF would engage enemy aircraft at much longer range than the F-22.
From the quotes i've seen the F-22 always shoots aircraft from there six. When you shooting an aircraft down from the behind you can be reducing the missile range to something like a quarter. Where the EF will be engage head on as you get a much better chance of a kill.

Now why does the F-22 does this, well once they open the weapons bay in front of the enemy aircraft they will be found on rader and once found they may well stay found and in danger of getting shot down. So they have to circle round to maintain there stealth.

The F-22 can network, one fighter can remain undetected and target while a few hang back and launch missiles while the targeting fighter vectors them in. Similar technique the wolf packs used. Even without AWACS support the F-22 can still take the EF.

Thats actually a good response.
The euro will be networked soon enough as it will
have to be in the network world of war fighting with USA and or NATO

For the cost of 1 F-22 you can put something like 6 or 7 Eurofighters in the air, so compare them that way and i don't think the F-22 stands a chance. And it's more down to the pilots than the planes if you ask me... or ask the Indian Air Force as they defeated the F-22 and F-15's over 90% of the time using Grippens and old MiG's and Mirages in the Cope India exercises.

The Eurofighter is a swingrole aircraft, the F-22 is aimed specifically at Air combat, it's an unfair comparison in that respect but the closeness of the matchup despite this says something about the excellence of the Eurofighter.

The Eurofighter is flown by the RAF, in that respect the USAF doesn't stand much of a chance. It's common knowledge that RAF training is superior.

All of this is irrelevant considering the operational status of the pilot-less drone planes that sport plenty of firepower to knock out a wing of Eurofighters and YF-22's. Send out 10 of em loaded up with IR missiles and you got trouble comming!! They are also extremely difficult to pick up on radar so the enemy wouldnt even know what happend until after the boom.

Not only that, the satellite defense systems can take out wings of aircraft without even deploying a single airplane or risking any pilots.

IMO...the YF-22 and its variants are a tough breed to cross..I doubt they would break a sweat in any combat situation if called into action.


Cheers!!!!

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Uhh... I'd suggest reading the huge amount of material we have here on ATS with respect to this subject. Needless to say the Typhoon while a great aircraft is not in a class with the Raptor. The Raptor is significantly more capable in the air to air arena then anything currently flying.

I think the correct answer to this is that the F22 is the superior BVR combatant, a far more ambitous project in every sense. The eurofighter was to some extent a compromise, designed to be better than the russian airframes that were then in development.

In that sense, it has been a success, the pilots who fly it seem universal in their praise, and that is generally a good indicator - another indicator is the perfect record it has maintained in combat exercises versus other 4th gen jets, even when outnumbered by 2-1 and in some cases 3-1.

Put it against a plane that has a radar signature of a bee, that has the most advanced data-link and AESA radar, that can sustain supercruise (true supercruise), it's going to, in general only going to go one way.

I would imagine that in close in engagements it wouldn't necessarily favour the F22, the Typhoon is exceptionally agile at speed, even without TV it can in certain instances outturn the raptor (look at the stats if you want).

I would guess that the F22 would win nearly every time in BVR, the typhoon would only get a lock at a range that was well inside of that of the F22, even with the MBDA meteor missile I feel that it is slightly unfair to compare the best 4th gen jet ever made with the first true 5th generation system.

I would dearly love to say that the Typhoon was as cool, but it simply isn't, the F22 has pushed the boundaries whilst the typhoon was always a more conservative design, my personal opinion is that given the final program and unit costs have not ended up as different as was expected, that the UK would have been far better placed to join the US in development of the raptor instead.

In a sense, I think the F22 represents the biggest single advantage over every other air force and air frame currently in service that has ever existed in the history of air warfare. I genuinely think it is a plane that would have a nearly perfect combat record, even when hopelessly outnumbered.

I just wish we had them : ( oh well, there's always the f-35, that will probably be the second best BVR airframe in service.. (apparently has a lower frontal RCS than raptor!!!).

: )