Eurofighter vs. X-35 and F-22

So who wins, if we think that they would meet eachother in a combat situation... The X-35 and the F-22 are clearly based on stealth, but what about the Eurofighters spectacular maneuvers... in dog fight i strongly believe in the Eurofighter, just because it can move so well even though the speed is limited... And in movies about (my favourite plane) the F-22, the pilotes aren't so demanding to the plane, and they don't do so difficult maneuvers... it even looks like they are scared that the plane would break in the middle air.. Is it because the Raptor still isn't in use or...?

the f-22 is the second aircraft at maneuvering in the world after the russian su-47.

Modern fighter engagments are not about dog-fighting its about BVR and who has the best radar which the f-22 wins hands down.

the f-22 and f-35 wins hands down. you cant shoot down a airplane you cant see. its just that simple.

Yeah i guess... but the Eurogifhter isn't so bad either... But what happends if you shoot a missile after the raptor or the X-35... can they handle it...?

Originally posted by Figher Master FIN
Yeah i guess... but the Eurogifhter isn't so bad either... But what happends if you shoot a missile after the raptor or the X-35... can they handle it...?

im not to sure i think it would probaly hit the f-22 to

As said by chinawhite it is all about the furthest BVR capabilities, so chances are that the F22 would have shot the enemy before the enemy saw the F22 on radar (or was within firing range.)
If somehow it came down to a dogfight (topgun style) then I would guess that the SU-47 and Eurofighter would perhaps gain an advantage on the F22.
I have to say that it always amazes me how good the Russians are at making things with limited resources -- their engineers are really clever. Its like that thing about the Americans spending millions developing a pen to work in space and the russians using a pencil, clever lot those Russians.

in a dogfight the f-22 would kill the eurofighter becuase of the f-22 vector-thrust tech. i think it uses a 2D system whilst the su-47 uses a 360 one.

Originally posted by CarlosG
Its like that thing about the Americans spending millions developing a pen to work in space and the russians using a pencil, clever lot those Russians.

Hoax, hoax! This was already discussed before.
a/the "pen" was completely privately funded.
b/there was (and still is) fear that the grafit from pencils could damage some sensitive electronic circuits. That was a reason why NASA didn't use pencils.

BTW the Americans now have a pen able to write in space, on glass or other surfaces normal pen is not able to write, underwater etc... (completely privately funded...) and the Russians? Well the Russians have pencils.

Originally posted by Figher Master FIN
So who wins, if we think that they would meet eachother in a combat situation... The X-35 and the F-22 are clearly based on stealth, but what about the Eurofighters spectacular maneuvers... in dog fight i strongly believe in the Eurofighter, just because it can move so well even though the speed is limited... And in movies about (my favourite plane) the F-22, the pilotes aren't so demanding to the plane, and they don't do so difficult maneuvers... it even looks like they are scared that the plane would break in the middle air.. Is it because the Raptor still isn't in use or...?

F-22 is more manuvrable than EF, while EF is more maneuvrable than JSF... It is not only because of TVC, the F-22 has also great(low) wingloading resulting in ablility to make sharper turns than any other plane.

Well the F35 is around F117 stealth i heared and that design is getting old so i think the EF>X35. As that is the only advantageit has over the EF. The EF has a better BVR capability, better manuverabillity, can carry more weapons and it is faster.

yes, the Euro fighter would propably win in dog fight situaton... And BTW, wich plane is more expensive...? The Raptor is good, but does the stealth design take away points from maneuverability..?

Dude read the post by DJDOHBOY these kinda of threads are not allowed here.

Well, perhaps... (in that case i apologise)... But I was just wondering wich plane is better... and the best way to find that out is by checking wich plane copes better in dog fights...

Yeah but you can't do that effectively with out actually seeing them in a dogfight. Also it depends on who's flying the plane, belieive me there is a lot of factors.

True again... But because we can't actually put the planes in a dog fight... We'll just have to imagine and look at facts we already know about the plane, right...?

Yea but the mods chose to end that , and I agree with them ususally it brings out nothing and people just banter back and forth.

[edit on 4-6-2005 by blue cell]

Ok... I get the point... You shouldn't do it... But you can't help it... It's just always so interesting to see who's done a better job... The Europeans or the Americans...

Originally posted by blue cell
Dude read the post by DJDOHBOY these kinda of threads are not allowed here.

But this is the best spot for this type of topic.
It would get lost in general chit chat. IMO.

F-22 would WIN

[edit on 4-6-2005 by Jezza]

can you give me facts why that would happend or is that only you're opinion...

[edit on 4-6-2005 by Figher Master FIN]

F-22 would win on a roughly 2:1 ratio

Originally posted by Figher Master FIN
True again... But because we can't actually put the planes in a dog fight... We'll just have to imagine and look at facts we already know about the plane, right...?

I am sure that there are existing flight simulators that could be set up so that two competent pilots could simulate such an encounter. I know that the new simulators use real video footage so that the experience is about as real as you can get without really being there. The scenery you fly over, every rock, tree, road, etc. is really there. So it is just a matter of pulling the right strings to make it happen. I bet it has already been done by the US Air Force, and would be surprised if it hasn't.