Out Of Place Artifacts

James, I understand (although I am not sure why) that it is very important for you to believe that we have lost ancient knowledge or that aliens helped us move blocks, or something similar.

I also understand that you're not really interested in doing the research yourself, or of responding to my comments; and that you are willing to accept at face value things by people like Erich von Däniken.

That, of course, is your prerogative.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
"I understand (although I am not sure why) that it is very important for you to believe that we have lost ancient knowledge or that aliens helped us move blocks, or something similar."

What do you base that on? I said EITHER lost knowledge or aliens, though I believe the latter. That doesn't mean I need that to be true for my delusion or whatever you implied by that.We still can't move the Baalbek blocks or the Sacsahuaman monoliths. The "Gate of the sun" estmated 10 tons. The fortress wall stones are smooth as if cut by lazer. Tell me how they did it if the knowledge is not LOST, at 12000 feet altitude!

"you're not really interested in doing the research yourself, or of responding to my comments; and that you are willing to accept at face value things by people like Erich von Däniken."

"Seems to me you're the one that did not research the von Daniken stuff, or even read mine carefully enough to notice I'm not basing this all on von Danikens' 1969 estimate of weight. It's STILL more than we can do WITH machines. The PHOTOS (I repeat, PHOTOS) are in his books & here again;[b/]
www.chariotsofthegods.com...

there are anomalies.

for sure , the smithsonian " loses" certain ones

for sure , a wooly mammoth was found with fresh buttercups in its' mouth , and

for sure , there are some strata found thousands of feet apart , which can only be explained , by a very scary reality.



poleshift.

this planet has been thru many births . some say we have another, right around the corner.

Originally posted by toasted
"there are anomalies."

My previous link I realized isn't von Daniken, so here;
www.daniken.com...
www.evdaniken.com...

I found some pix of Baalbek & Sacsahuaman at one site here;
www.world-mysteries.com...

Something we still can't move, or accomplish, IS an out of place artifact, laughing at us.

[quote"for sure , a wooly mammoth was found with fresh buttercups in its' mouth , and"

Yea, & the quaternary extinctions of 70% of creatures, at the end of the Pleistocene age, was 9600BC, when the pyramid culture was lost to memory. Remember the Rosetta Stone, that helped us read lost languages, with identical alphabet in 3 ancient languages.

Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Hezboallah makes access difficult for pix now, & pix need be digital to put on the net.

For what its worth:
Google Search on Images of Baalbek
external image

toasted
for sure , the smithsonian " loses" certain ones

It would take quite a bit more than your say so to demonstrate this. I find it funny that the smithsonian is specificallly constantly targetted for this sort of thing, its big, its important, its repsected, therefore its slandered by lots of people.

for sure , a wooly mammoth was found with fresh buttercups in its' mouth ,

How is this a lost artifact or anything of the sort?

there are some strata found thousands of feet apart , which can only be explained , by a very scary reality.

I don't understand what you are stating here.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Google Search on Images of Baalbek
external image

I think that pretty clearly demonstrates that the blocks weren't as smooth as if they were cut by a laser and it certainly shows that the joins in the blocks aren't exactly matched, either.

And (for the record) whoever made the claim that we can't move 10 ton objects today really needs to go look up some battleship shipyard construction sites. This land based unit, for instance, moves 550 tons:
www.groveworldwide.com...

and we transport the Space Shuttle via crawler (and lift it up and down and it weighs over 11 million pounds:
www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by Nygdan

Google Search on Images of Baalbek
external image

Your picture doesn't show the size compared to a human, which this site does;
www.world-mysteries.com...
The reference to lazer cut stones are about PERU, not Baalbek, another misrepresentation of my words. Maybe U didn't comprehend?

Even at the lowest weight estimates, we STILL cannot move them WITH machines. So how did they do it, with magic?

toasted
for sure , the smithsonian " loses" certain ones

AGAIN moderator, you're posting quotes AS IF they're mine without specifying that I'm no longer the one quoted, which is misrepresentation of me.

for sure , a wooly mammoth was found with fresh buttercups in its' mouth"

Another quote not mine, but readers wouldn't know that, because it wasn't specified who wrote it.

there are some strata found thousands of feet apart , which can only be explained , by a very scary reality.

Yet another quote presented as mine, but not mine!

Originally posted by Byrd

"I think that pretty clearly demonstrates that the blocks weren't as smooth as if they were cut by a laser"

Another deliberate misrepresentation of my words, which were about the Sacsahuaman fortress, NOT Baalbek!

"And (for the record) whoever made the claim that we can't move 10 ton objects today"

I never made any such claim & none else did either. Maybe U should read things twice.

"This land based unit, for instance, moves 550 tons:/
and we transport the Space Shuttle via crawler (and lift it up and down and it weighs over 11 million pounds:"

But we didn't move it with ropes! See the Tiahuanaco blocks weighing up to 600 tons at [url=http://www.world-mysteries.com [/url]

Explain how it was done with those blocks, much larger than anything in the pyramids, by primitives.

Originally posted by James J Dierbeck

Originally posted by Nygdan

toasted
for sure , the smithsonian " loses" certain ones

AGAIN moderator, you're posting quotes AS IF they're mine without specifying that I'm no longer the one quoted, which is misrepresentation of me.

Seems to me that he wasn't.

You really would be better off if you'd take the time to actually read the posts you're responding to.

While I enjoy reading some of the links you've posted, I feel that in general your style of representation and lack of coherency is distracting and doesn't really further the discussion at all.

That post contributed nothing to the discussion. It's insulting & intended to expell me from this thread. I'm about done anyhow. I DID contribute alot, but word about the Smithsonian national security area was called lies, that came from an ex gov geophysicist.

I don't care if it's believed or not. Objects we cannot explain are all Ooparts, including the many blocks in Tiahuanaco & Sacsahuaman & Baalbek that primitives surely could not have moved without lost knowledge, or aliens.
www.world-mysteries.com...

Not my thread, so I'll leave now unless challenged on what I said there.

James, I don't think anyone's going to want to discuss things with you if you lose your temper.

Here is another site that has Ooparts in it s8int.com...

that site you posted is a christian creationist website so all the accumulated data collected there is designed to make you believe that God made the earth in 4004bce

like the earlier world mysteries website posted by James it has a very clear agenda at distorting the truth and is not at all credible




[edit on 5-11-2007 by kerkinana walsky]

Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Objects we cannot explain are all Ooparts, including the many blocks in Tiahuanaco & Sacsahuaman & Baalbek that primitives surely could not have moved without lost knowledge, or aliens.

So you say. I disagree.

There exists no "unexplained" artifact.

Baalbek was built entirely by Romans, not some "primitives" which you seem to think would naturally be less intelligent than modern man (an assertion with which I also disagree, BTW.)

The fact that you can't explain something in no way indicates that the thing in question is "unexplainable" or even unexplained.

At least, not to me.

Harte

Howdy Harte

One minor correction; what we see of Baalbek now is Roman, the 1904 expedition went down to the bedrock. There was however on/near the site some bronze age ruins but they were not megalithic.

The huge stones the Romans moved were for a practical purpose, they needed a retaining wall that would stand up to earthquakes but not be mortared with concrete, this was because they were making classical/traditional (to them) religious building which needed to be built in the old way, ie, ashlar/solid masonry. The huge stones that were not moved were probably part of a three piece altar that was never completed.

I believe the most recent German expedition found a second giant stone - still embedded in the quarry and covered with rubble.

Greetings Kerkinana Walsky

that site you posted is a christian creationist website so all the accumulated data collected there is designed to make you believe that God made the earth in 4004bce

God did create the earth and everything that you see.

like the earlier world mysteries website posted by James it has a very clear agenda at distorting the truth and is not at all credible

Doesn't modern day science have an agenda?

Originally posted by JadePhoenix
God did create the earth and everything that you see.

oh really, which God was it then ? whats his actual name ?

Originally posted by JadePhoenix
Doesn't modern day science have an agenda?

yes it has an agenda
its agenda is to find out the facts before you go theorizing not theorizing and then finding the facts to fit.
in essence this is known as the scientific method.

Greetings Kerkinana Walsky

oh really, which God was it then ?

There is only one God

whats his actual name ?

God goes by many names

Adonai
Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
El
Elohim
`Elyon
Shaddai
Shalom
Shekhinah
Yah
YHWH

Among the ancient Hebrews, the seven names for the Deity over which the scribes had to exercise particular care were

El
Elohim
Adonai
Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
YHWH (Jehovah)
Shaddai
Zebaot

[edit on 14-11-2007 by JadePhoenix]

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Fuh-Q

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Gee .... what did you DO ?

Look at the heat you've drawn !

Totally absurd threads are permitted to continue for dozens of pages

Yet you've been publicly roasted, repeatedly


Talk about overkill !

I'm sickened and that's the truth

sickened and disgusted


Wish I'd never seen this thread

wish I'd never seen you to be savaged as you have been

Out of all proportion


You must have strayed into 'untouchable' territory
or named a name

Man .. do you feel you've been worked over by virtual baseball bats ?

All in the name of 'denying ignorance', huh ?

Stay safe



(oh, and we know I'll cop some of what you got, for posting this )