POLITICS: Blair Cracking Down on British 'Hoodies'

Originally posted by Hunting Veritas


One last question.

Why are the kids stealing in the first place?

Lousy parents comes to mind real fast. No differance between being rowdy at a mall or in school, discipline begins at home.

That my friends is the root of the problem.

shots, you cant smack your kids over here. I was smacked growing up and it did me no harm, infact quite the opposite. Also mentioned before, these yobs are mostly coming from poorer areas. If your parents are working every hour god gives how can they look after their kids as well? Day care? Dont make me laugh, the affluent in this country can barely afford that.

The alternative for parents is to go on welfare. Then selfworth issues come to bare. If your parents have low self worth then what chance have their kids got? Its a problem for society and societies problem. We are all affected by it and all have the responsiblity to fix it.

Blaming others wont fix it.

Originally posted by subz
shots, you cant smack your kids over here.
Blaming others wont fix it.

Nice try, but I did not say smack them I said discipline them. Discipline comes in more then one form or didn't you know that?

[edit on 6/3/2005 by shots]

Boyz In Da Hood

If "hoodies" are breaking the law, why aren't they being arrested?

Any sort of laws or restrictions that aren't enforced are meaningless.

My tuppence on the matter.

Originally posted by shots
Nice try, but I did not say smack them I said discipline them.

You've obviously got really obedient kids or none at all. Im not saying all kids deserved to be smacked all the time but there are some instances when talking fails. Kids get the upperhand more often then not.

Originally posted by kode
thanks subz

Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
Why are the kids stealing in the first place? That my friends is the root of the problem and it has NOTHING to do with boredom.

I disagree, it is mostly boredom and as subz said lack of self worth. Our education and social system needs to play a bigger part in their lives. People need to be paid more to work harder with the kids and young adults who find this world so disappointing that all they have is to cause agro in one way or another for enjoyment.

Its probably a different issue and subject but these kids need to be given certain privileges but it needs to be done subtly as to not encourage others to go the same way just for those privileges.

They will never outlaw hoods. It would be impossible. I wear my hood when it rains which is the only time, unless its chilly, i would use it. Sod umbrellas those things are useless especially when it’s windy and umbrellas are too easy to forget.

Sorry Kode I've got to disagree with this, I used to think it but experience taught me different. I now believe that all these things may have a part to play but we have given kids this excuse that it's not really their fault and we need to invest more in them and they take advantage of this 'guilt'. The fact is some of the worst offenders come from pretty affluent backgrounds too and even if they are from depreived areas they're not dying of hunger or in extreme poverty. Privelidges don't work just encourage others to act the same to get the same. My opinon is harsh actions demand harsh consequences, we lack any discipline when trying to deal with this. We can argue that some people still go off the rails despite discipline but for every one individual that does there are twenty more that do it because they simply know they can get away with it.

Originally posted by subz
You've obviously got really obedient kids.

Yup they sure are. ((((Pats self on back for bringing them up right

Kids get the upperhand more often then not.

Whose fault is that? Clearly it is the parents fault for letting them get away with it. A good parent would not let that happen or at best discipline the child that trys to get the upperhand.

Originally posted by ubermunche
Privelidges don't work just encourage others to act the same to get the same.

That’s why i said a more subtle approach is needed, a more one to one basis. For all the clever people we have out there i would have thought we could be a bit smarter with dealing with these kids. I wouldn’t go as far as saying to them that it’s not really their fault, we all have a part in the problem.

Im ok with discipline, i was also smacked as a kid and it never did me any harm either, in fact its what put me straight. But people don’t want to use that approach anymore and its still early days in their experiment so we will have to wait a bit longer to see what the outcome will be. It may be we are already experiencing it with chavs.

I don’t think harshness is the answer in this case.

Originally posted by kode

Im ok with discipline, i was also smacked as a kid and it never did me any harm either, in fact its what put me straight.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we shouldn't invest in children and part of the problem is the lack of facilities that exist. I just doubt that is the whole answer, especially when it comes to the antisocial/troublemaking aspect.

But people don’t want to use that approach anymore and its still early days in their experiment so we will have to wait a bit longer to see what the outcome will be. It may be we are already experiencing it with chavs.

I don’t think harshness is the answer in this case.

I think a lot of people would like to be able to both see and use the disciplinary approach it's just we have come to a point where the misguided few have managed to hijack all forms of authority, parental, educational and societal by managing to equate the idea that a slap on the wrist or neccessary restraint is equivilent to being beaten to a pulp (which quite frankly it's not). The irony being we have a generation who have such an overdeveloped sense of entitlemant yet no balancing sense of respect or responsibility that we now have gangs of feral kids and adults roaming the streets...beating other people to a pulp.

I still say harsh actions deserve harsh consequences but within a legal framework. Those kind of consequences will be a lot less severe than communities finally growing tired of being victims and taking the law into their own hands. Which at present seems like a distinct possibility.