Sex Offender Epidemic

Originally posted by iori_komei

It is my opinion, that if the individuals in questions are older than the age of 12, and in consent, than they can do as they like, however, I do not condone the molestation, that is, having non-consensual sex with them.

I beleive that people like such, can be rehabilitated, however this may not always be the case, I do think, that if they are put in prison more than twice, they should be kept there permanently.

12 is a bit too young, IMO.

As for rehabilitation: impossible. Sex offendors should be lined up against a wall. End of story. Violent sex offenders have absolutely no place in society. I have no sympathy for them, or their excuses. I don't care if they had a bad childhood, or their mommies didn't love them. This would be pretty much a consensus anywhere, except in a few cultures where this behaviour is accepted. But in the USA, we have no pity for these deviants, and neither do the courts. Thank god.

12 is a bit too young, IMO.

12 is the legal consent age in Mexico, there are a few places where its 10, but I think 10 is to young.

As for rehabilitation: impossible. Sex offendors should be lined up against a wall. End of story.

No, it is possible to rehabilitate them. and besides, thats not a death punishable crime, unless they killed someone else.

Violent sex offenders have absolutely no place in society.

I agree, they should be rehabilitated, and if they cant, put into cryostasis, until such a time as its determined, to see if they can be rehabilitated with the techniques of the time.

except in a few cultures where this behaviour is accepted.

And a culture where it was accepted, was ancient greece, a nation that is idolized even today.

But in the USA, we have no pity for these deviants

Maybe you dont, but others do.

Thank god.

Your welcome.

[edit on 5/26/2005 by iori_komei]

Yeah- We can always ship them to a place called Australia !

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Yeah- We can always ship them to a place called Australia !

Are you in jest, or are you actualy trying to insult the Australian people, and nation?

Ask anyone who has been involved in this area of law enforcement or psychology/psychiatry, there is absolutely NO TREATMENT that is effective. Doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they are on, the experts agree there is no treatment for real sex offendors. They will continue on their evil campaigns to destroy children.

These people are evil. They are not sick, they are evil.

Now, as to the age of consent. In many places around the world, the age of consent is between 10 and 12 for girls -- basically the point at which women start menstruating. If a girl can have a child she is seen as able to have sex. There is a lot of evidence in the field of ob/gyn that show any sex before 18 is actually bad. And the incidence of cervical cancer among those who have sex before 18 to 21 is much, much higher. It doesn't even matter if they were promiscuous or not.

The truth is that law enforcement has a rather unusual solution, they house these evil offendors with other criminals who usually kill them pretty quick in the most heinous of cases. Ever wonder why so many of the high profile cases end up with a report on the eventual murder of one of these folks?

Regards,

MLO

Sex before 18 not reccommended? Looks like pretty much every woman in the history of humanity had sex before they were "supposed to".

Also, I think evil is the wrong word. Yes, these people obviously have a dangerous and destructive problem, but I'm sure many don't have a choice- they are mentally ill.

woah, there are s**t loads in san francisco! i used to live there, goin back for a holiday this summer, i'm glad im not a kid... or a woman! It would be interesting to know how many female sex offendes there are, i just spen about 10 mins looking at some in san fran and they were all men.

[edit on 27-5-2005 by superduperman]

Ladies and gentlemen:
Lucas Co., Ohio registered offender

Brian Peppers

There are 517 registered sex offenders/predators in a 5 mile square radius, and there is no way by seeing my neighborhood you would think it. Nothing but 200-600k homes with manicured lawns.

Studies state many sexual offenders were molested or exposed to sex under the age of 10. This will have a rpofound effect on a child, where they may be more sexual than most. Also, many of these "offenders" are simply people who had sex with a 15 y/o at a party in college. That easily could be a mistake. Jerking off 3 7 y/o boys is not a msitake, it is a sickness.

Now, There are offenders and predators. It is the predators that need to be dealt with, as there is no rehabilitation for multiple offences, especially with children under 15.

Deal with this issue on a national basis, with a lottery of felons . I have many times thought that there should be pay per view events to help fund law enforcement to track these people. Have them fight it out to the death, or just throw them in a cage with a few bears. Better than American Idol, and then maybe these sh8t-stcks will stay away from our kids. Violence doesn't solves violence, but you got to start somewhere.....

Deal with this issue on a national basis, with a lottery of felons . I have many times thought that there should be pay per view events to help fund law enforcement to track these people. Have them fight it out to the death, or just throw them in a cage with a few bears. Better than American Idol, and then maybe these sh8t-stcks will stay away from our kids. Violence doesn't solves violence, but you got to start somewhere.....

That kind of thing will never happen, not only would it be considered torture and cruel and unusual punishment, it in itself would be against the law.

The U.S. has been moveing much closer to what once might have been consider cruel and unusual punishment. I am not saying that I like or I want to see it happen but the pay per view coment may not be all that far off.

The Government is going to be tough on crime

In response to the wave of child killings they claim they don't have the room to lock them up or the manpower to watch them but they HAVE introduced a bill that would give mandatory 2-10 year sentences for YOU if your brother-in-law smokes a joint and you don't turn him in.

Its good to see they will keep us safe



[edit on 28-5-2005 by Amuk]

I live in a small county in NC, with 45,000 other people...there are 3 pages of sex offenders listed for our county. None are listed as predators but still this is cause for concern. Crime is indeed on the upsurge against children and yes, the internet is helping to spread the word. Every parent and guardian should visit their county's website to see who is a threat to their children.

hear is something else for everyone hear to chew on.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

happy reading and pondering

Truthisoutthere
It's always been around, always. It's in our programming to seek the youngest mate possible, of breeding age. It's a behaviour that's been with us since we were little more than apes. One could argue we haven't all changed that much...

Anyway, it may be happening more often, I don't know. I know the coverage of it has increased by several orders of magnitude...

These problems are aggravated by our culture, I believe. That means they can be tamed somewhat by changing the nuts and bolts of our society.

'These type of people' have different brains, in the sense that they do not equate the very young with the protective instinct, instead they equate the very young with the courtship instinct. We can't change their brains without engaging in eugenics on a massive scale, and we can't always protect our kids from people in a position of trust. I think the only real option is to change society.

Child molesters and Pedos are eveyrwhere, all around the globe. That being said, America consumes something like 80% of the child porn produced in the world, so I think we've got the disease worse than anyone else.

And pedos do have rights, they just don't have the right to hurt our kids. That's the right I won't allow them. They have the right to live, to fantasize, but not to act. When they act, they give up the right to our trust, and we have to conduct ourselves appropriately to prevent them from being in a position to hurt a child again. Whether you want to kill them, or lock them up for life, doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that it won't fix the problem with more being born every day.

Rehabilitation doesn't work, except in a very few cases. The recidivism rate for child molesters is higher than average, by a long shot. They lack the self control to deny their natural instincts, and that makes them animals among civilized men...

Faery
They're not finding younger victims, they've always preyed on children of every age. It's a fundamental flaw in their ability to conform to societal standards. Their brains are making them attracted to girls too young to even bear children, and they lack the inteligence and self control to understand that.

Temporary incarceration is ineffective, as proven by recidivism, because they are eventually released into the same environment that nurtured their behavior in the first place.

The internet's got nothing to do with it. Child porn was alive long before the internet, and the only thing the internet did in regards to child porn, was put some mail order purveyors of child porn out of business. Before the internet, child porn came in the mail.

Pfunkarocka
I'm not sure what China has to do with child molesters...

You did make a great point about modern laws. Most of the laws and statutes governing equality are quite recent in this country. We're still experiencing growth pains, as it were...

I think we can do better, in terms of our society. I envision a meritocracy for America..a system that rewards compassion and hard work. I also think our system of serial monogamy has to go, it's simply destroying our societal fabric. There's too many people without mates, too many people going after the same mates, it's unhealthy. We're not even evolving in a good direction, seeing as we mostly rely on sexual selection.

Give it a thousand generations..and see what the ratio of blondes to brunettes is...

I think it's silly, and we can do more to affect positive change in that area.

As it is, America's rules are contrary to the rules of nature. We presumed to impose the laws of man upon the laws of nature, above and beyond our natural instincts. We made a conscious choice, as men, to forsake our bestial nature, and strive toward civil behavior. If we're serious about that decision, we'd better stick with it, because we appear to be slipping...

The problem is, the world tells you to be good, but fails to reward goodness. Lying and cheating and stealing are more beneficial to a person than being honest, forthright, and self sacrificing. The laws, for example, don't apply to the very rich. They can drink, and fight, and kill, and steal, and they rarely get caught. They steal Billions, and get away clean..meanwhile a 16 year old kid gets locked up until he's an adult for stealing some chump change...

There's a serious inequity. The moral authority of this country is "Do as I say, not as I do." That's bad, very, very bad. Is it any wonder that things are so bad?

PurityofPeace
I think you need to broaden you definition of pornography. Anything that inspires sexual thought and has no artistic merit, is pornography. As the late, great, Bill Hicks himself said, that's every commercial on television. Every billboard, every magazine add, every movie, every pop star, every trend.

We've saturated ourself with this stuff, it's everywhere. Max Hardcore? I think you should be more concerned with Calvin Klein. Way more people, young and old alike, see his 'art.'

LA Max
Go ahead, kill one...

Will it stop the trend? No.

We have to do more than lynch these people. We have to understand the forces that led to their creation, and we have to attack the root of the problem.

We have to reward self control, and punish, mercilessly, those who cannot stop from hurting other people. We can do that in the context of the state, there's no need for vigilantism.

dr. Strangecraft
I agree, gang rapes are a real, unreported, very disturbing problem. The gang element, the complicity of other females (friends of the victim, girlfriends of the attackers, etc.) in many cases, the age of the offenders..very disturbing factors all.

Ray Davies
Good sarcasm. I got it.

Nathraq
You give the USA too much credit. It happens more often here than anywhere else, with one notable exception..Africa. Our laws are not nearly tough enough, as evidenced by the number of repeat offenders, the rates of recidivism for these sorts of crimes, and the attitudes of the criminals.

Iori
Twelve is too young in my opinion, because child birth at that age is dangerous. It think 16 or 17 is a good age for consent, maybe even 21. Not sure though..I think that element requires more discussion of the pros and cons.

And rehabilitation is spectacularly ineffective. The recidivism rates speak for themselves.

Amuk
It's incredibly frustrating, isn't it? The amount of money spent every day to increase profit margins, the number of actions undertaken to cement control..all those are wasted oppurtunities to do some good for the world...

They're pissing away our resources, to secure their agendas...

[edit on 29-5-2005 by WyrdeOne]

Wyrdeone,

I can't believe that you actually think that the Internet has no influence on the problem of both the increasingness of child predators, and the age of the victims (being younger).

As noted below from Purity of Peace, the porn that is on the Internet, increasingly uses younger and younger girls...... all trying to outdo the other as far as taboo, etc.

Sure, child porn was through mail, but now the sick bastards have access to instant images, 24/7, just making them want it more.

Originally posted by PurityOfPeace

Originally posted by FaerylandOh, something that may be contributing to this growing problem....the Internet, and the easy access to porn.

faeryland

I think this is part of the problem, Pornography is not cheesy basslines and hour long B Movie sex scenes anymore. I seen a statistic somewhere that said 90% of all movies released in the U.S. are pornographic films... that is a lot!
So, with all these thousands of movies available, they can make impressions on people.
Not so long ago, i saw a documentary about the Porn Industry, and i saw something that shocked me more than anything else!
One of the best known Porn Directors in the U.S. is a guy called Max Hardcore, and he makes his movies to "push the boundaries" as much as he can. He casts the youngest girls he can, and does anything he can get away with. However, the thing that shocked me the most was his wardrobe, it was full of CHILDRENS CLOTHING! He dresses the young models up in these clothes, then does what he does. Now just think of the messages this can be given to people watching!

The problem is a growing one, but i think it has probably been something that we have not heard about in the past, even though it has been going on. With so many media now, it is hard to hide it.
It is a disgusting thing, and hopefully can decrease.

Now the issue of age and consent, some of you are saying the age 12?
I don't think so....human brains are still growing until we are about 20, to 21 years old. There is no way a child that age (12) can handle the responsibility, let alone have the maturity to handle sex at that age.

Ray Davies,

I know this will be a shocker to you.....but I am the one woman in the history of humanity to wait until the age 18 to have sex!! um, it is possible for girls to make decisions to wait until they are "legal age", unfortunately, not many do.

Faeryland



[edit on 29-5-2005 by Faeryland]

Faery
Believe it. The age of the victims has not changed, predators have always chosen their victims based on their own peculiar sense of beauty, and their own personal attractions. Some people are attracted to highschoolers, some feel compelled to target preschoolers.

The internet had absolutely no hand in making mankind attracted to children. Men have been attracted to children forever, in the sense that children are simply undeveloped adults, and all adults have some semblance of a software package that programs them to seek out, secure, and defend a mate. Most men are content to wait until a girl is able to have children, others are not. This is nothing new, despite what you believe.

What would you do then? Ban the internet? Try to fashion multiple layers of control to make the internet a sort of supervised reading room? You would do more harm than good.

For God's sake, don't blame the internet for the failings of individual men. I see lots of things, I know lots of things, I still make my own decisions. Everyone has that capability and, despite the fact that some have weaker wills than others, we're all responsible for our own actions.

Blaming the internet for child molestation is like blaming firearms for murder. The truth always comes back to personal responsibility. Who chose to molest a child, who chose to pull the trigger? Not the internet, not the gun.

The internet has the potential to be man's greatest invention. Let's not shackle it to the earth and beat it to death because of our own faulty self control.

Ray Davies
I agree, evil is a clumsy term, with too many implications for my liking. I think most sex offenders simply suffer from faulty programming, in the sense that they are unable to distinguish between proper partners, and improper ones. Most, if not all, know the difference. They are simply unable or unwilling to set aside their desires, and focus on the good of society.

This is not just a problem experienced by child molesters and pedos. Lack of self control is an epidemic, and we have our brains, and our culture, to thank for it. We've got a reward center based reasoning system, and in evolutionary terms, it's very rewarding to have sex with young partners. In society that behavior can get you lynched...

This is a case where our natural behaviors are at odds with the society we've constructed..conflict is inevitable.

I'm shocked, frankly, that some people are so shocked...

[edit on 29-5-2005 by WyrdeOne]

And rehabilitation is spectacularly ineffective. The recidivism rates speak for themselves.

First off, rehabilitation can and is effective, as long as the offender is willing to be rehabilitated and the appropriate programs are available.

The prison system is one of the top money making industries in the United States. Do you know how much the D.O.C (Department Of Corrections) receives per inmate? I would suggest you investigate it.

We only hear about the current child molestation/rape cases that are featured in main stream media.

If said media would take the time to dig as deep as they do to find cases of current child molestation, they would also find the cases of successful rehabilitation of sex offenders.

NOTE:
I am not condoning the crime that sex offenders have commited, I am only placing the facts out before you.
I do hope that I have enlightened some of you on the truth of the matter.
Thank you.

JadeRio
You've stated your opinion, and called it fact. Do you know the recidivism statistics for child molesters? Have you compared them to the average for prison inmates in general?

Rehabilitation has always been a viable strategy, but it applies less to child molesters than to any other class of criminal.

Child molesters, like most criminals, have a problem with impulse control. Any rehabilitation program that identifies and speaks to that fact will have a decent chance to elicit conscious behavior changes..however..as time goes on, that 'training' is in conflict with the desire to breed, our instinctual, learned lust. That's a battering ram against a refrigerator door...

It's a very serious drive, a life or death kind of urgency, because it stems from our survival instinct...

Oh, and if you think I don't understand the role the prison system plays in this country, you're mistaken. It's the foundation of our economy, I've been very interested in that fact for some time, seeing as I studied penology for two years with aims of becoming a prison reform activist. Then I branched off into studying evolutionary psychology, the why behind the what, regarding our behaviors, which is the source of most of the preceeding mumbo jumbo...

Anyway, I get the problem, and I'm open to solutions, but saying the current system of half-assed rehab is effective..well you're just plain mistaken. Could we reform more sex offenders if we devoted more resources to understanding the problem and developing solutions? Sure we could. We're mankind, damnit, we can do anything we set our minds to.

But we have to be realistic. The current system is broken in about a million places. Reform might be possible, but prevention is better by far, and from my perspective, easier to accomplish for a number of reasons.


[edit on 29-5-2005 by WyrdeOne]

Wyrdeone,

I never stated that child molestation was "a new thing", i'm just saying that the Internet is a tool that contributes to the growing problem of rape/molestation. I agree, it is a self-discipline issue.

Also, you can't convice me that porn on the Internet doesn't contribute to the problem. Yes, the Internet can be used for good things like learning, but can't you see that it also may be contributing to this problem?