Are we God(s)?

Perhaps we are. But, who's we?

We might all have potential to be something more, but who of us really wants to more?

Moto of ats is deny ignorance. Only way to do that is to educate yourself, imho. Keep an open mind and strive to be better then you are.

No change will come out of ignorance, so I suggest you all start denying it.

Nope we are not gods,we are human beings which has a great potiental to evolve spiritually.Since all of us have a soul within us.Dont allow ppl to talk you into believing we are gods or some highly divine spirit that came from another world to help mankind to evolve or anything similiar to that.If you do then you will be falling into an ego trap.

Originally posted by spamandham

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I don't know if it is "nothing more than theory". It makes perfectly plausible sense to me that God the almighty creator stuck his pinky out, made a ripple much like when a rock hits water, and the ripple continues to swell out today.

"Before the universe" is a meaningless statement, since it implies the existence of time before time came into existence. "Outside the universe" is equally meaningless since it implies space beyond space. How can it make sense to you that god stuck his finger out, an act implying the existence of both time and space, before either existed?

There is no coherent way to describe what you are trying to say, because the concept of a creator is not coherent.

As usual I have found one that has trouble thinking abstractly. Time and the universe began when God stuck that "pinky" out. Or is it that you are trying to say there is no God that got this thing started-it just happened? Please don't tell me you are a "7 day" person. In time there is no true definition of a day.

Thee who wears blinders misses 80% of the action. That is why they are put on horses so they will not be distracted by something that exists just to the right or left.

Originally posted by jake1997
You want to know how the universe was made?
Follow these steps

1.) Become a christian and give your life to Christ
2.) Continue in this for 121 years (or death, whichever comes first)
3.) Ask Jesus how it was all done. He will show you

Thats the only way folks. ;-)

Or you can take a shortcut; Learn astral projection, and when you do that, visit the source directly and ask away. What you said is not the only way...

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Or, is it that the concept of a Creator beyond your comprehension?

It is not merely beyond mine, it is also beyond yours. When a set of words are used in a way that are not comprehensible to anyone, we call it gibberish.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Let's assume that we've been around for about 6,000 years, as that is the general timeline one can determine using the "begets" in the Old Covenant.
Up until the beginning of the last century, we lived about the same way, and travelled about the same way. All of a sudden, there was an explosion of knowledge. Why did humanity all of a sudden learn how to use the internal combustion engine or harness electricity? Nothing in the universe had changed. However, the great leap in knowledge was spoken of in the Bible.

If human knowledge advances, there has to be an origin of that advance. Why then does it surprise you that it has an origin?

Where does your book say anything about internal combustion engines or electricity? All the "prophecies" are so vague they could mean anything after the fact. Besides, the Book of Daniel is used in one breath by Christians to show that Jesus was the Messiah, and in the next to talk about end times. Which is it? Yah, yah, "dual prophecy". See what I mean?

People travelling to and fro and knowledge increasing can just as easily be a reference to any point in recorded history.

Seems the spamman may be an unbeliever.

Trust me, friend, to not believe is not believing in yourself.

I used to question also. However, GOD has his ways of waking people up who sincerely wish that.

Just truly ask him.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Trust me, friend, to not believe is not believing in yourself.

Becoming atheist did not diminish my sense of belief in myself or humanity.. in fact it actually enhanced it [well my faith in humanity certainly needed some enhancing.].

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater

Originally posted by spamandham

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I don't know if it is "nothing more than theory". It makes perfectly plausible sense to me that God the almighty creator stuck his pinky out, made a ripple much like when a rock hits water, and the ripple continues to swell out today.

"Before the universe" is a meaningless statement, since it implies the existence of time before time came into existence. "Outside the universe" is equally meaningless since it implies space beyond space. How can it make sense to you that god stuck his finger out, an act implying the existence of both time and space, before either existed?

There is no coherent way to describe what you are trying to say, because the concept of a creator is not coherent.

As usual I have found one that has trouble thinking abstractly. Time and the universe began when God stuck that "pinky" out.

In the absense of spacetime, how does one go about sticking out a pinky to create spacetime? To speak of action is to imply the existence of spacetime. If god took some action "before" spacetime existed, in what reference frame was that done? It's nonsensical.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Please don't tell me you are a "7 day" person. In time there is no true definition of a day.

No, I'm not a "7 day" person, I'm an atheist.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Seems the spamman may be an unbeliever.

I would have thought my signature made that obvious.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Trust me, friend, to not believe is not believing in yourself.

I used to question also. However, GOD has his ways of waking people up who sincerely wish that.

I don't have faith in myself. I have limitations, and I recognize that. But I also know that my capabilities can expand beyond my current limitations to some unknown extent. I know this from past experience, not through faith.

BTW, from my perspective, I've already woken up. It is you who are sleeping.

No faith in yourself? Limitations? Hmm....

It seems perhaps I am not the one asleep at the wheel. However, all I can do is guide, and wish luck.

Do you also deny the existence of the spirit within you, or the tremendous energy that keeps your body moving, breathing, etc.? The same energy found in every thing on this planet, and exists throughout the universe?

Yes...we are. There's no doubt in my mind that this is true.

Every thing in the universe and beyond is God, from the tiniest quark popping in and out of existance to the wheeling galaxies that display themselves before our eyes...everything is God.

You...me...that rock under your butt when you're contemplating the waves on the ocean. The metal in the engine of the airplane that flies through the sweet air while you quiver with excitement seeing the moon hide the sun in an eclipse...it's all God.

including you and me...

That's what I believe.

Originally posted by J_3... The Knowledge of Good and Evil is more than just knowing right and wrong. If you read how eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil basically made humans aware of choice. Which leads the way to everything I said in my prior post.

you were quite correct the first time, it was the tree of knowledge, at least as described by one scribe, and Gen 3:6 which a lot of people obviously have not been introduced to proves this point:

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and a tree to be pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof..."

In truth are we gods? No! But, in the context of The Biblical storybook, the answer is yes, because this was the belief of those whose history is being profiled...Ancient Egyptians, where immortality translated into being a god, and where such immortality was available only to the pharoahs. The tree of life marked their victorious passage through the underworld where their name was written on a leaf of a Sycamore or Acacia tree known to them as...The Tree of Life.

There is one good thing about it all,
The last book of the OT says that when we go to be with Jesus We will be like him in order to understand Him....
Then it looks like we will make it to God Like ...............

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Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
No faith in yourself? Limitations? Hmm....

And I suppose you think you don't have limitations?

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
However, all I can do is guide, and wish luck.

Good luck with that then.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Do you also deny the existence of the spirit within you, or the tremendous energy that keeps your body moving, breathing, etc.? The same energy found in every thing on this planet, and exists throughout the universe?

Are you saying that spirit = material energy? Perhaps you can start your guidance at a lower level. You're already not making sense to me.

Remember what I said. GOD is the greatest physicist there is. I admit I'm no expert on it. However, when one starts to think of scientific concepts and the energy that must hold everything together?

What is the energy that keeps molecules going? What is the energy that keeps ourselves up and going? What is the energy that keeps this illusion together? Yes, it is an illusion. Things appear solid, liquid, or gas. However, when strictly analyzed nothing is completely "solid". There are like molecules packed closely together, but NEVER touching to make let's say the desk your sitting at. Now, if these molecules, atoms, whatever are spinning around within themselves what drives these to spin, etc? What energy keeps these molecules forming this desk from actually touching each other and setting off a chain reaction?

Scientists can't explaing this energy. Just as I can't explain what I saw, and have been trying to learn ever since. However, this I know. There is a GOD. It is not the type of GOD you apparently speak of in your little signature saying. It is GOD, it is spirit, it is energy, just plain IT IS.

If I don't make sense I'm sorry. One just can't tell me there is no GOD. To deny GOD is to deny your existence. The other religious stuff-well, I understand much of what Jesus was trying to say. The rest in the Bible-the fire and brimstone, the "prophecies" etc., who knows. Of course, his words I'm sure are convuluted by man. However, the one thing that impressed me about Jesus was when he said, "I am the light." I kinda understand what he means. Most don't. Was he the "son of GOD"? We all are.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Remember what I said. GOD is the greatest physicist there is. I admit I'm no expert on it. However, when one starts to think of scientific concepts and the energy that must hold everything together?

What is the energy that keeps molecules going? What is the energy that keeps ourselves up and going?

Before gravity the earth was flat.. if I went back in time with a torch and gave it to some cave men they would know it's magic or something from the gods. God has always been the answer to replace 'I don't know'. I am very in tune with this 'energy' you speak of but I still consider it just an energy, irrospective of how powerful or mysterious it is.

Ah yes. However, this energy is also the energy within each of us. The "light". I had an awakening one night that I really wasn't expecting. This is what "told" me there is a GOD, and many more steps of consciousness, and dimension than we can fathom.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
What is the energy that keeps molecules going? What is the energy that keeps ourselves up and going? What is the energy that keeps this illusion together? Yes, it is an illusion. Things appear solid, liquid, or gas. However, when strictly analyzed nothing is completely "solid". There are like molecules packed closely together, but NEVER touching to make let's say the desk your sitting at. Now, if these molecules, atoms, whatever are spinning around within themselves what drives these to spin, etc? What energy keeps these molecules forming this desk from actually touching each other and setting off a chain reaction?

Scientists can't explaing this energy. Just as I can't explain what I saw, and have been trying to learn ever since. However, this I know. There is a GOD. It is not the type of GOD you apparently speak of in your little signature saying. It is GOD, it is spirit, it is energy, just plain IT IS.

Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't mean it's magic. Even if no-one understands it, that isn't justification enough for concluding that there's some sentient being named Jesus who makes it all happen.

Even if someone proves that it can't be understood (using something akin to Goedell's theorem for example), that also does not provide justification for assuming invisible magic conscious beings are in control.

An argument from ignorance is no argument at all.

Spam, we do not call what we do not comprehend gibberish; we call mindless babblings gibberish. That which we do not comprehend is that which is too complex for our minds, or that which we are lacking in enough information to understand. You prefer to call it gibberish.

As far as saying that at any point in human record we can point to such a jump in knowledge or transportation, that is totally incorrect. The prophesies in my book might be totally vague to you, but to those who have the Holy Spirit guiding them in their studies, it is not vague. By the way, the Bible does not mention the internal compbustion engine; I mentioned it as proof of my point. Rather than admit to the point, you made an absurd enquiry about if the engine was in the Bible and compounded the fallacy by stating the reverse, that advnaces such as the explosion of knowledge could be found throughout history. You even go against secular education and undeniable fact to argue against that what you do not prefer to believe.

Non sequitur...non sequitur...non sequitur...

You assume that I haven't experienced this:

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Ah yes. However, this energy is also the energy within each of us. The "light". I had an awakening one night that I really wasn't expecting. This is what "told" me there is a GOD, and many more steps of consciousness, and dimension than we can fathom.

When I had my 'awakening' it was very powerful.. it involved a 'need' to meditate, astral projection, 2 outerbody experiences and a higher frequency of preminitions.. but, I became an atheist. 'It' told me the centre of our universe is a core of light [among other things].. I suspect that it is a worm hole or something similar, and that this universe is one of many.. comparable to galaxies.. one inside another. If it came from a big bang.. well if something explodes it doesn't become completely dissconected from the lost pieces.. tangible or intangible. I think the universe 'pushes' outwards and creates space time [look up 'fractel theory' to get a better understanding of what I mean]. Basically, I do not call it 'god' or have any reason to assume this energy is a sentient being aside from not being able to understand what is beyond it.. the universe is impressive enough not to underestimate it's own abilties to create.
For example: If I lay in the sunlight and let in warm my face I might feel comforted by it.. but do not think it is a sentient being caring for me. Sunlight also gave the planet life.. but it wasn't a concious decision on it's part to do so.. should I worship it anyway? [not that I don't appreciate it ]

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