Thank You ATS Members And Everyone For Being Here....I'm Frightened

Hi,

I don't even know any of you, except for your postings and avatars. I can't believe I'm writing this, but, to whom else can I say anything who won't brush me off as paranoid, etc... Well, of course some of you will, if you reply say some pretty nasty things, someone invariably does, if not to me, to someone.

But that aside, I am truly frightened to be living in this day and age. Not of the "terrorists", well I am, but different ones. The ones that frighten me the most are the ones in Washington D.C. and all thieir minions all the way down the judicial system.

Why does Bush seem to be completely untouchable? I know that he has passed unconstitutional laws before, probably more than I know about. He has commited plenty of War Crimes. Wasn't it illegal for him to attack Iraq in the first place, under the circumstances? Why did Nixon have to resign to keep from being impeached, and Clinton have to fight so hard to stay in office, while in jeopardy of being impeached, over things that are so trivial compared to what Bush has done so far, and I'm just talking about what I already know about, or highly suspect. I'm sure that there is much more that I don't know about.

Why should he be above all law? Why does he have to care for or respect no one? All his predecessors did. (Or maybe they did because they wanted to?)

Sorry about this post, it's embarassing and depressing, but, yesterday, I guess it was, maybe the day before, I'm not sure, I read that the bill for "Real ID's", or "National ID's", which they seem to think they can slip by without calling them "national id's". I mean, I've been hearing, reading and getting my own feeling that that was in the making, and probably had been for quite some time. So, it wasn't that I was utterly shocked or anything, it just.... I don't know how to convey a feeling like I had when I first read that. It was like knowing that it was no longer just a concept of something that might happen in the furture that was interesting to talk about and wonder about anymore.

As sneakily as they stuck it onto an emergency military spending bill, aparently it doesn't matter how it happened, since it has already passed the house, and I believe the Senate also, and Bush is expected to sign it by the end of this month. It seems as if that other concept, the "New World Order" something that I had feared inside long before I even had a name for it, is also becoming more of a reality, and one that I'm afraid is just right around the next curve. (Just my own thought/fear). I have felt a sense of dread, doom maybe is more accurate, ever since in his first term, he started in with wanting to go to war with Iraq for reasons that just didn't make sense. And as the reasons kept changing when he couldn't back up the first ones, then changing again, with more missing links, I was becoming really uneasy. I was (still am) sure that there was /is something much more going on than taking Saddam Hussein out of power for the safety of the world. I felt that something very sinister, very evil is the real driving force. I didn't know what it was, but it scared me.

When I accidentally stumbled across ATS, I just sort of latched on to you guys. I thought I would find answers here that made sense, that I really was just being paranoid, and the earth would continue to spin on it's axes as always, etc, etc.... Well I have gotten some answers here, answers that feel to me to be a lot more objective and hold more truth than I get from watching the so-called news. I rarely watch it anymore. I am tired of being lied to, and their lies are becoming more and more transparent.

Sorry I'm rambling.....I'm almost done. I said that I am scared or frightened. Maybe those aren't exactly the right words. I think what I'm feeling is more like, "helpless". Powerless over my own future. BTW, isn't the passing of the "REAL ID" Act unconstitutional also? I'm no expert, so I could be wrong, but I think it is very unconstitutional. But whether it is or isn't, I guess it doesn't seem as if it makes any difference. Bush will get his way, no matter what, no matter who it hurts, and nothing is going to happen to him for it, other than he will continue to become wealthier, more powerful, more arrogant, and more ruthless. Still, no one will do anything to stop him. He's untouchable.

Sure, I can and have, on many occasion written to the state and or federal lawmakers, (whom I believe that, at least long ago, are there because they were elected by us, the ordinary citizens to go to the Capitol(s) to represent our interests). Many people have written them, trying to stop laws from passing that put us in real jeopardy. Rarely do they do any good. Especially if it's something that Bush especially wants. If that's the case, it will happen no matter what. It's not right, but it keeps happening, and what can we do, but write our letters and hope that they'll listen.

I foresee now, a very bleak existance, much sooner than I had originally thought. I'm afraid that soon, the SuperElite will own everyting. The media, the transportation, the land, all the homes on it, the schools, the banks. And our money, what little of it some of us already don't have, will no longer belong to us. They will own everything, we will be indebted to them for the rest of our lives, and we will no longer have a voice in what happens to us or our children.

Someting jarrred me with seeing in writing that RFID, or National ID, REAL ID, whatever... is here, upon us and that frightened me beyond belief. If not it in itself, what it stands for, and what I just wrote.

I realize that no two people think or feel just alike, but I can't help but wonder, there is a lot of talk of religion, any and all religion here at ATS, and the posts conerning different aspects of it seem to be increasing. I wonder if perhaps others may feel helpless in their own way, and turning to a Diety, is their only thing to hold on to. Now a lot of you seem to be a questioning that also. Is anyone else feeling a little frightened? (For your sake, I hope not).

Anyone who may have read this, thanks for listening.

And, I hope that I never make such a depressing post again.

They want you to be frightened. You are more easily led that way. The less frightented you are, the more likely you will be to see bush as a man, and not as a god like person, who swooped in and "handled everything" on 9/11 (don't even get me started about that subject). Your emotions can be used against you, they are your weakness. You must learn how to not bend under stress. They use the concept of "relief" to keep you in support of the cause.

Judging by my mood, I can say I am not afraid. As I can see now, it is in it's beginning stage, if it even exists at all (the Illuminati). My conclusion is that there are a certain group of elite who have a hand in leading civilization in a certin direction. Who knows, if it will be a bad thing or a good thing. If it is bad, I will not be sticking around, and depending on wether or not we will be allowed to leave the sinking ship I may just exercise my fight or flight response.

Keep in mind, you don't need to use force if the subjects follow willingly. An organization that seems too "clean" to be true, probably is.

The answer to who watches the watchers...We do, fawning over the next great "truth" that spills from their cold departed souls.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Eyeofhorus]

I agree with Eyeofhorus - create fear and control the masses. People are waking up to what is going on around them. We still have some power left, we should take it.

Get a gun, be ready for the day youll have yo use it, and pray that day will never come.

Though im sure it will, the peices are falling into place, have been for some time now.

Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
I agree with Eyeofhorus - create fear and control the masses. People are waking up to what is going on around them. We still have some power left, we should take it.

i agree aswell, its what they want you to think, they want you to fear them and be scared so that in time, you will accept them.

I feel similar CyberKat, its all fine and well pondering what can happen "in the future", but the future is coming, and it may be coming faster than some have anticipated.

Up until just a few months ago, i was drifting along, blinded and fooled by the things covering up the "real world". Now, i am in some frantic rush to get as much information as i can on everything, and although i am learning a lot of things i never thought i would have to believe, i still can't help feeling a little helpless about it all, and it gets me down.

I guess all we can do is educate ourselves as best we can, and be as prepared as possible for any situation which may confront us.

Originally posted by CyberKat
I know that he has passed unconstitutional laws before,

He has passed no laws that are unconstitutional. You and I do not decide what is and is not constituional, the SCOTUS does. The SCOTUS, nor any other court, has struck down any law he signed as unconstitutional, as far as I know. Furthermore, Bush does not write and pass law. Congress does, the Office of the President does not have legislative powers, it merely vetos or signs laws, and even its vetos can be overridden.

He has commited plenty of War Crimes.

Bush has ordered not a single war crime to be commited.

Wasn't it illegal for him to attack Iraq in the first place, under the circumstances?

No, the Iraq War was not illegal.

Why did Nixon have to resign to keep from being impeached,

Because Nixon had used his presidential powers to instigate a grand conspiracy to protect thugs who, possibly under his orders, had ransacked the offices of a political opposition party. Nixon abused the powers of the presidency, clearly, and on a scale an order of magnitude greater than anything Bush has done.

and Clinton have to fight so hard to stay in office,

Because he cheated on his wife, abused a number of interns with his authority, was invovled in real estate fraud, and lied under oath.

compared to what Bush has done so far,

What has bush done so far?? and I'm just talking about what I already know about, or highly suspect.

I'm sure that there is much more that I don't know about.

What do you know about?

I mean, I've been hearing, reading and getting my own feeling that that was in the making, and probably had been for quite some time.

Thats not too surprising, since it was in the newspapers and in the congressional debates.

I don't know how to convey a feeling like I had when I first read that.

What is the problem with the specific measure passed?

It seems as if that other concept, the "New World Order" something that I had feared inside long before I even had a name for it, is also becoming more of a reality,

The NWO requires quite a bit more than national standards for State IDs.

I have felt a sense of dread[...]I was becoming really uneasy. I was (still am) sure that there was /is something much more going on [...] I felt that something very sinister, very evil is the real driving force. I didn't know what it was, but it scared me.

Ok, sounds like you are simply paranoid. You have irrational fears of a dark conspiracy, but nothing to back it up, and no actual actions on the part of this sinister cabal.

I think what I'm feeling is more like, "helpless". Powerless over my own future.

Indeed, these feelings of helplessnew and powerlessness are often the breeding ground for irrational fears and concerns over conspiracy.

BTW, isn't the passing of the "REAL ID" Act unconstitutional also?

No, there is nothing unconstitutional about it that I can see.

But whether it is or isn't, I guess it doesn't seem as if it makes any difference.

Interesting, so no matter what, there simply is a conspiracy, out to get you and others.

Still, no one will do anything to stop him. He's untouchable.

Why would anyone get rid of him? He's the duly elected President. His terms is up in something like three years, and then he's an ex-president.

Rarely do they do any good. Especially if it's something that Bush especially wants.

Indeed, sitting presidents often can get measures and programs they favour passed, FDR did it, Clinton did it, Regan, Bush, all of them.

If that's the case, it will happen no matter what.

No, it won't happen no matter what. Bush wanted an ammendment prohibiting gay marriage, that didn't happen. He wants privatized social security, thats not happening. He wants a lot of things, sometimes peopel agree that they are good ideas, other times they don't.

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It's not right, but it keeps happening, and what can we do, but write our letters and hope that they'll listen.

its 'not right' that a representative won't vote like you want? I'm sorry, but there's nothign wrong with that. You are one person, a number of people elected those representatives, and they have responsibilities to a lot of entities, the state, their own convictions, the federal government, the American Public, their Constituents, lots of people, they're not there to do your bidding.

Someting jarrred me with seeing in writing that RFID, or National ID, REAL ID, whatever

The more stringent federal standards for state id's is not a Radio Frequency Tracking Device, there's quite a difference between a RFID and National ID. In florida, a woman's photo id has her face completely obscured, ie, the id is useless. In other states, IDs are nothing more than laminated peices of paper written out computer printers, while in others they have anti-fraud holograms and waterseals.

Simply, you are being somewhat irrationally paranoid. 6 years ago the anti-government radical republican militias were saying that CLinton is super-evil and the NWO is comming. Now that a democrat is not in power, its the radicla left wing groups screaming about the apocalypse. Simple fact is, in a few years, bush is out of power, and life goes on.



[edit on 17-5-2005 by Nygdan]

Why would anyone be afraid of GWBush and not be deathly afraid of a B. Clinton or someone of his thinking?

I look at Clinton and see Waco burning to the ground, killing US citizens, some of them children. With a Clinton type I see all of those no-knock raids that happened at the wrong addy where people died.

Travel across this country and have too much cash on you and you are in trouble when stoped. Clinton did it.

I am not happy with Bush on several things but I see planes flying into buildings and US citizens dieing and now the evil men paying for it.

The world hates a man that stands by his word. He is making them pay and my son helped!

Be afraid of someone that offers you gifts from the peoples Treasury because the payment will be your freedom.

Roper

Take Franklin D. Roosevelt for instance when he said,
"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

We all need to stand together in this! watch, listen, and if required, take action! don't let the propaganda fool you.

www.futurehi.net...

The web link above is about a book written in the 1970's , which was required reading durring my school years. It tells us that the world is changing and people are and that tecnology we make changes us. I think maybe that you are having a difficult time looking out into a world that is changing , not just changing , but to your dislike. Please just relax and know that we as Americans are not all ready for changes that are upon us because they infringe on our rights and freedoms. Hmm someone said one day , at the start of this great nation , Give me liberity or give me death. Many Blessinsg Kat.

old people will tell you that it is always been like this,...... or worse.
Do your history and consider yourself lucky you have central heating, clean water and your bag of peanuts.

fear is THE mind killer

peace

I've just read all of these posts and I too have been reading and hearing about the New World Order for a few years now.
I may sound stupid for saying this but can someone tell me exactly what the New World Order is how it would change our lives?
Why would I need a gun?
How do I prepare myself and my family for this?
I know something is just not right with our government but I don't know what it is exactly.
A few years back I was reading alot of information on the internet about detention camps. That really frightened me. Now, since 911 , I can't find anything about the camps.
Also, why are they closing so many of our military bases?
What do you think the base's are going to be used for now?

Originally posted by MagicaRose
I've just read all of these posts and I too have been reading and hearing about the New World Order for a few years now.
I may sound stupid for saying this but can someone tell me exactly what the New World Order is how it would change our lives?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And lots of other sticky threads in the forum below
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Breifly, the NWO is a one world government, usually with a one world religion and currency. Depending who's telling you, its either a fascist or socialist totalitarian system. Its been combined with Christian Apocalypse hysteria, so that the head of the NWO is the Anti-christ, and in a similar vein we get that the United Nations is the anti-christ and its going to take over the world and abolish States, usually requiring everyone to give up their christianity and accept implants (re:marks of the beast) or face execution (almost allways via decapitation).

The NWO is, as far as I understand it, was first thought of as a global state (as opposed to a simple term, ie there is a current order to the world, things have been rearranged, there's a new order to it now) that was a Utopia, and I beleive a socialist one at that.
The fear of the NWO is not new. When clinton was US president, everyone thought he was starting it. Now everyone thinks bush is starting it. Decades ago I suppose Hoover was the almighty master of the NWO or something. Its a 'conspiracy theory' thats been around for, well generations I suppose.

A few years back I was reading alot of information on the internet about detention camps. That really frightened me. Now, since 911 , I can't find anything about the camps.

The information is still there. Search REX84 program in our search function

Also, why are they closing so many of our military bases?

Because its expensive, and most of them are unnesesary.

What do you think the base's are going to be used for now?

What, you think prison camps?

I suppose thats one theory. Another is that when the UN invades the US and overthrows the government with its blue helmets, that they're going to US walmarts as processing and detention centers. "Those landscaping sections, with the fences and outside, thats where they're going to lock you up, the photomat, there where they make you one world Id Papers" etc. Search "Tacmars" and 'Roadsigns" for more of that.

Much like the Second Comming of Jesus that the NWO is tied up in, its one of those things thats 'just around the corner', for two millenia its been just around the corner, but this time, no, it really is, watchit. Make of that what you will.

Oh and the Apocalypse, NWO, and the other big conspiracy theory, the Illuminati, are usually tied together, with the Illuminati being the ones running the NWO. I think that was Hitler's version of it.
As you can see, the hysteria is very old.

I agree and i am scared too. In fact, im so scared my husband and i are packing everything and moving back to Massachusetts because i want to be with my family. Talk about altering lifestyles.
The untouchables in DC got exactly what they wanted. Scared people.
You are either wrapped in your flag (and happy) or you're against this whole nightmare and scared.

I wonder who wrote the script to this fabulously horrific movie?

IMHO its goes beyond Bush. The NWO let the people think he is the bad guy and maybe he is one of them. But if truth be known....if you'll just get damn angry, get prepared for anything that can and probally will happen, then things seem different. Maybe its a view through peed off eyes.
Like said, get a gun, ammo, learn to clean a gun, stock up on water, and be ready. Get to the country if you can. For now its still nice and peacefull here. Keep a close eye on the animals, they will alert anyone who may be watching if there is any type of earth trouble, even if created by man kind. Get a first aid kit, learn to purify water, and buy a great pair of hiking boots.
Keep in touch here. ATS is a great place to hear things way before many others do.

Wow!

I felt really self conscious and vulnerable writing that post. I wished right after turning off the computer and going to bed, that I would have added in something like the fact that I wasn't posting it for sympathy, or to get attention, I honestly needed your guy's informed opinons and thoughts. But I see that that wasn't necessary. It went unsaid. That is another thing I like about you guys.

I believe that I got something out of each and every one of your replies. I want to address them individually, but that is not feasible. However, I do have them printed out though, for myself. I just want to clarify a couple of things though. For those of you who said that they want us to be afraid: I am aware of the fact that they put out a lot of propiganda, along with messing with that stupid terror alert system, raising and lowering it, etc... and I am also aware of the "divide and conquer" mentality that they often attempt to try to gain control over us. I believe that the definition of terrorism is to use threats and unfounded fear as a means to gain control. However, because I am aware of these practices, I wrote to You, the Members of ATS in whom I have faith. I did not write to the U.S. government, in whom I do not have faith. Telling them that I'm afraid would be playing right into their hands. Exactly what I do not want to do. I assume that they are not listening, but that you are.

However, knowing something inside logically, doesn't always coincide with the actual feelings. I know better than to deliberately let them know I'm scared, that would be stupid. But, since I was feeling that way, I hoped that perhaps in letting you guys know, I might get some serious feedback, without playing into their propaganda.

Just one other thing for the person who said that I view Bush as not a man, but as a godlike creature who handled everything on 9/11.(gag and puke!) I viewed him as a coward who didn't know what he had gotten himself into. Not that I think he actually did it, but I wasn't then, nor am I now so certain that he was not aware of it before hand. So, he just kept on reading some story to the school children (even after the second alert), because he had failed to think the whole thing through.... but my point being, that I never viewed him as anyone or anything capable of handling much of anything. (Sorry, you didn't deserve that, you were only trying to do as I asked for, and that was to help). I hope that you did not take offense, as none was meant.

'Nuff said about that. Like I said, I believe that I got something I can use out of every reply. There were a couple of you who said that you felt the same way. It is comforting to know that I am not totally alone in my feelings. Thank you. However, maybe if we pay attention to what some of the others have said, we can learn to overcome some of that fear, at least. That is what I hope to do.

I have been given such a wide range of opinions, which is exactly what I had hoped for, but for the most part, in some way or another, they offered optimism that made sense. There was one reply in particular, which perhaps I took it wrong, but I thought it to be somewhat critical, but that was O.K. especially since it reminded me of a couple things I had forgotten that were especially reassuring: One was that Bush had tried to ammend the Constituiton to ban gay marriage, and that didn't happen, because the legislature wouldn't approve it. That reminded me that in reality, he still does have to follow the rules. The same with privatizing social security. That one, I think is still up in the air, but it doens't seem to be moving along, does it. Reassuring also.

I could, if I chose, pose come arguements also on some of what I read, but I choose not to, as I was not looking for arguements, or people who simply agreed with me because I said I was frightened. All of you did just what I needed - give me a variety of honest opinions and truths. And for that I thank you. I knew that there are good people here, with good minds.

Originally posted by MagicaRose
Also, why are they closing so many of our military bases?
What do you think the base's are going to be used for now?

Of course, I wouldn't know for certain, and have no reliable sources to back it up, but, my thouhts on the matter of the closing of the Military Bases, is that they won't be needed, as the troops probably are, unbeknownst to them, deployed for an infinate length of time. Perhaps many are never scheduled to return to the U.S. but to officially open a Base in Iraq, and other places where they may go after Iraq, but not back to the U.S. (Mind you - only a theory from a possibly paranoid person.)

Has it occurred to you yet that it's the PRESS, not the President that instills fear in you? Now, think about this very hard:

The world's going to hell in a handbasket and the only way you can know what's going to happen next (muchless, know what to do next) is to STAY TUNED for further developments.

Doesn't this sound a LOT more like what you're experiencing? Network news has gone the way of the Serial TV show, and FEAR is the ViseGrip that keeps it's audience in place. By the way, THEY ALL FOLLOW THIS PROGRAM.

I'd say the thing to do is get your news from a lot more sources (and yes, that includes FoxNews) in order to balance out your info. Yes, you'll have to shake out a lot more chafe, but at least you'll have a bigger serving of truth left when you're done.

Maybe it's just me...but has anyone else noticed that Web news sites are a lot more Conservative than TV News? AOL excepted of course.

If you want to actually have a little fun with it, try nit-picking stories and figure out if they're liberal, or Conservative, or truely Neutral. You might be shocked, but also entertained!

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Toelint]

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
They want you to be frightened. You are more easily led that way.

Just as knowledge can lead to understanding, it can also remove the "fear of the unknown". But I think ATS is sorta' like eating the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden...Or losing your virginity; Once you done it, you've lost your innocence & can never regain to it.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Furthermore, Bush does not write and pass law. Congress does, the Office of the President does not have legislative powers, it merely vetos or signs laws, and even its vetos can be overridden.

True...But there've been a lot of "Emergancy Acts" passed from the Oval Office & enforced as if they carried the weight of actual law. As a matter of fact, Bush isn't the first President to use this tactic...It's simply a Constitutional way of getting "legislation" around Congress.

Originally posted by Sandro
Take Franklin D. Roosevelt for instance when he said,
"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

In a way, this is right...Know the truth & you come to understand what you fear better. Once you achieve some understanding, you come to fear it less because you come to learn how to guard yourself against that which you've feared.

Originally posted by zman
Future Shock
www.futurehi.net...

Not to be confused with my own version of Future Shock, which was written a few years ago before zman posted his link...And before I had even heard of it.

Originally posted by CyberKat
(Mind you - only a theory from a possibly paranoid person.)

This raises the question...Is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?

What makes this even worse is that they are out to get you, but it's in a more clinical, impersonal way that might make it all that much scarier. They don't care about you as an individual in any way, shape or form...They only care how they can mold you to fit into their machine.

Originally posted by CyberKat
...on the matter of the closing of the Military Bases, is that they won't be needed, as the troops probably are, unbeknownst to them, deployed for an infinate length of time...

This is quite possible. Consider that, at the time I write this, the US has a population cracking the 292 million mark...The current size of the US military represents about 2-3 % of that. Also consider how many foreign countries already "host" US military bases. Sounds like the military is already spread pretty thin, doesn't it? But then consider that, in my own experience in the military, they use whatever resources they have until such resource completely wears out...For example, I was a technician that's worked on computer systems older than I am & I'm currently in my forties. It's enough to make one wonder about how to find the truth of what they may be doing with those bases that have been closed down? And where do they intend to get enough troops to actually defend the nation itself?

These two questions have given rise to a couple of theories already; That those bases are going to be used as "labor camps" or perhaps even "death camps" a' la Hitler; And there are already trained foreigners to act as "Homeland Troops" because they would have no loyaties to American citizens to get in the way of "doing their duty".

Hello,

Im from the Uk and I agree that the media is responsible for a lot of the fear people are experiencing, this is true of the UK also.

However I have heard a few people going on about NWO and the anti-christ. Well thats just going a touch too far into paranoia zone. It is a classic example of pureFEAR. fEAR IS DERIVED FORM NOT KNOWING!

The world would be a better place if we did join in one unity and if we ditched all religion as it is one of the greatest causes of WAR which to me is the root of the real evil. It would help to get rid of racisum as we will have more respect for one another! This will be heaven on earth, all getting on, no war over religious belife systems and being one at peace with the universe!

HOWEVER this is a long long way a way because the human race do not like change. There is going to be resistance naturally as we all try to hold onto our TRADITIONS, RELIGIONS, CUSTOMES ETC. These are only materialistic things. But these are the things that create passion which people will fight until death for.

If we were about to be invaded by an alien race we would soon drop our heritage and customs etc, we'd put our differences aside and we'd come together to fight for our earth and human life. This is the kind of big kick up the axx we need to pull together and say OMG we are all the same after all!

SCARY SENARIO: nwo will cause world war 111, those who are left will have no choice but to pull together to pick up the peices.

GOVERNMENT: No we can't trust them they do lie, (The Iraq war was over oil = greed = evil motive) get away with murder of civilians and us and uk soilders (the death of Diana, the Royals also get away with murder)
Yes it is a sick world i'm afraid, this is the evil we are right in it right now.

The NWO IS NOTHING BUT A DREAM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALOT OF CXXP TO GET THERE!