alex jones,real or paranoia?

I have just sat through alex jones "the road to tyranny" and i have to say if true,is some scary crap.As i dont just believe everything i see(take the english news and papers as an example) i would like the take on some americans,please feel free to debunk the"facts"in the film or back them up,both with some hard evidence i.e does anyone here come from st louis and can verify the armys training ops, to subdue the civilian population in a time of crises,or did they really fake chemical bombs etc and then tell you sometime after it was just a drill?.The reason i"m a bit sceptical is cause i dont think the british goverment could try it without the whole country asking what the f*"k they thought they were playing at (lots of questions were starting to be asked when the tanks rolled into heathrow airport)let alone a pretend chemical attack then to say sorry it was just a drill,i for one would go nuts that they scared my kids like that.If the man himself reads the boards all the better Thanks in advance.

Slightly off topic.. but this link makes some interesting points about alex jones.

My own opinion is that if you spend your days providing people with information, like a full time job and you have the chance to make a living from it.. why not?

I'm not 100% sure about the way alex jones does it, but each to their own. I can understand why questions about this and censorship have been raised.

Alot of people respect Alex Jones, and he raises some interesting points, but he has been debunked in alot of his claims. I have listened to him before and I have to tell you, this guy turns me off. I get the feeling he is pushing HIS ideals of what is going on, and not giving voice to reason on certain topics.

There is no doubt he has produced some neat DVD's, and his show is intriguing, but to consider him an expert or to take him at his word is probably overboard. I think he is SELLING something not providing an honest investigation of anything.

You can watch most of his stuff for free on patriot tv lite on winamp.


Whats wrong with making money? You'd have more respect for him if he was a homeless person telling you these things?

Originally posted by Apration
Alot of people respect Alex Jones, and he raises some interesting points, but he has been debunked in alot of his claims. I have listened to him before and I have to tell you, this guy turns me off. I get the feeling he is pushing HIS ideals of what is going on, and not giving voice to reason on certain topics.

And what exact was debunked that he did/said??

Originally posted by Lysergic
You can watch most of his stuff for free on patriot tv lite on winamp.


Whats wrong with making money? You'd have more respect for him if he was a homeless person telling you these things?

No he would think he was some raving loony that needs to be locked up and given him drugs.

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Alex Jones has been debunked, and pretty credibly. Here is a couple links to support this:

www.popularmechanics.com...

www.politicalhobbyist.com...

All you have to do is stop and think....."if I were quoting someone when making a debate about anything would I quote Alex Jones?", if you answer no then you probably feel like I do. Not that he is a total liar, but I wouldn't use him as a source for any real research.

Originally posted by mickmeaney
Slightly off topic.. but this link makes some interesting points about alex jones.

This link seems to be alot of HOOPLA, literally, they claim to be talking to Alex jones in one video and trashing him in the rest. The one where they do talk to him, it isnt even him...

Again HOOPLA.

Originally posted by Apration
Alex Jones has been debunked, and pretty credibly. Here is a couple links to support this:

www.popularmechanics.com...

That magizine has been debunked already on here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not to mention there is alot surrounding that magizine but i wouldnt base this as credible evedence.

I dont know much about the 2nd site.. I would take it as sespect also, but since i dont know much about it.. I will wait to see what someone else has to say about it.



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debunked huh? by who?

Those who wish for you to Conform, to Obey, and tell you that you are Free?


So you believe a plane hit the pentagon after making an insane turn, and dismiss the eye witness testimony of it sounding like a fighter jet? Or the circular hole left in the side of the pentagon, and no parts of an airplane found, and witnesses saying it smelled like explosives, and that the plane was flying just feet off the ground?

When you are suffering, know that I have betrayed you

I just finally got done watching the Alex Jones, "police state" series and I never knew it was possible, but there actually is someone that is more annoying than Michael Moore.

Seriously, I really just don't like being yelled at, it makes me feel ignorant. And his method of communicating his message is immature and uninformed. He reads some articles so quickly that there is no way to follow them. He is a shock jock of the conspiracy realm. But I like the message of his movies.

I am not a big fan of privatizing the police sector, or the police for that matter. But couldn't we find a better spokesperson, who doesn't badger the people he is interviewing.

I just cannot consider Jones credible until he learns how to properly conduct an interview. Because I bet if he'd set up a formal interview, people would answer his questions, and he wouldn't end up making so many assumptions.

Propaganda is a double edged sword.

[edit on 13-5-2005 by Eyeofhorus]

aparations, this is the closing argument of your other alexjones debunker site

Unfortunately, like the little boy who cried "wolf," this claim is getting little play because of its source. What ought to lead to investigations is largely being ignored because of the other ludicrous claims put forth by Alex. Alex would be far more effective if he'd lay off the fanciful conspiracy theories and focused on the real corruption in government. It's not as sexy, but at least it's real.

should i assume that the above advocates alex just be quiet about some things? should alex stop crying wolf? what if theres really a wolf? i argue that fanciful conspiracy theories can be sexy and real sometimes, and IMHO alex makes quite the case. GRANTED, he is human. i find him kinda cocky at times, but when i think about it, he has good reason. the man has uncovered a lot of # going on - and the public doesnt even want to listen. no wonder he is passionate fellow - raising his voice - even instigating heated debates.... but why?

-not because he wants to disinform the american public, but to show that even though your uncle is a good swat officer, that he too is so completely ingrained in the system that following orders might mean doing something that is unamerican. alex is making an example, as stupid as his thumbscan arrest seems - he is illustrating first hand what is coming for the rest of us if we dont wake up.

yeah, propaganda is a double edged sword. alex is using that edge. cant hate him for it. hes not lying. hes just blows it outta proportion, because someday that proportion will be the norm. he is showing you whats gonna happen.

alex is a patriot, and if i discover he is another lie, im not sure i will be able to trust my own intellect and intuition ever again.

to quote a sadistic character in the movie se7en, nowadays you cant just tap somebody on the shoulder to get their attention. you have to hit em witha sledge hammer. then youll notice youll have their undivided attention. (or something to that effect)

alex isnt using a sledge hammer, but hes being loud enough to get you to listen. are you guys really willing to pass off alex as a kook - because hes hyperactive? c'mon, alex is the closest we're gonna get to evidence. unless, we would all rather sidestep the whole thing and let every detail of our lives be dictated to us. happy sheep.


WAKE UP!
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Jones makes people think, more importantly, he makes them re-evaluate thier political belief, if only for a second. This is a good thing, and although he may go over the top, I give him credit for having the cojones to make a video about how the gevernment is going wrong. If he didn't make these who would?

Look at his technique this way. He speaks loudly and firmly to establish dominance as an "expert" rather than portay himself as a peer. He uses emotions such as FEAR to instill motivation to his cause. He uses unformal intervies to portray government officials as uncooperative, asking them questions on the street, not in an interview environment. Then he acts surprised when he gets the "no comment" or the hand in the camera.

Is Jones any better than the misinforming media of today, or the politicians that have liarrehea? What makes him so "right?"

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Is Jones any better than the misinforming media of today, or the politicians that have liarrehea? What makes him so "right?"

i hope i never end up eating these words, but 'evidence'. evidence makes alex so right. he has more circumstantial evidence than he needs. no, its pretty tough to get a 'smoking-gun' condemning the most powerful people in the world.

I can sympathize with your not liking alex because of his tactics. agreed - the man can be too much sometimes. downright annoying. nobody likes to be talked to like that. i suppose you would get more candid responce out of people with a scheduled formal interview? that way, they can have weeks to prepare answers. dont you get it, alex is restricted to 'ambush journalism' because it paints the picture so true.

in a world of manipulated media , it takes alex's tactic of suprise and 'in-your-faceness' that pulls people out of their happy 'politically correct' bubbles. everyone has seen a politician talk. its complete BS! they skirt around answers, sometimes not even answering. they just use a lot of fancy words to appease you. alex is bringing it home. politics is an adults game - alex isnt stepping on anybodies toes. if they cant answer the question on the spot - chances are, theyre uninformed or LYING. no more pretending. straight questions deserve straight answers.

you dont have to like it, but alex is likely more informed than the guy you voted for. he calls it like he sees it, no forgivness.

alex is fighting a war for you and your mind. unfortunatley, war cannot always be fought in a controlled setting, with formal interview appointments everyone agreeing to disagree. cheezy smiles... NO! this is serious.

this is moot (everybody round here loves that word):

He uses emotions such as FEAR to instill motivation to his cause.

yeah, and? what else is gonna wake you up? be afraid! BE VERY AFRAID! better to have alex scaring you off you arse then some swat busting down your door for disagreeing with party line.

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I like Alex jones cause he is right about alot of things, as I stated earlier he has yet to be debunked on anything.

That PM article is just a bunch of washed up bs thrown together by what you called controlled media. so its just another waste of a few million trees to print that crap out.

Anyway I have yet to see anthing debunked from him, he think of it like this... Back in the day when he was saying about RFID chips and implants people were calling him insane, crazy, stupid, lame Look where we are today......... All things he pointed out a few years ago is now becoming reality.

Everything from people getting thier rights taken away, to being planted for "medical' reasons, to full out satanists in the whitehouse. Ohh and one more thing, 9/11.

The thing about rights being taken away I quote Bloomberg on this one.
"Protesting isnt a right, its a privledge."

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Fighting lies, with circumstantial evidence. Is just addin lies, to an already heaping pile of lies fromed by our government. That is exactly what they want from him, more lies, to desensitize us. Make lies a part of our daily lives. Accepting Jones's half truths is no better than accepting bush's half truths about WMD's.

Ambush journalism, is not a creidble reporting tactic. Frankly it sikens me to think that people idolize this man, for his speculations.

Sure I stand with you, united agains the lies of my government, but I also must stand against Jones, in steady defiance of that which is not TRUTH. Your research of these organizations should have taught you a valuable lesson. Trust no one, but yourself, use your judgement, and your intellect.

There is a paper trail, to the secret police, there is always a paper trail. As a jounalist, I would get tired of half-truth, and speculation after while. If no concrete evidence was able to be found I would be on a mission to find it and I wouldn't make people pay money for my products/movies if I couldn't guarantee the content. He would seem more noble and believeable if he wasn't making money off of you, but go ahead spend, spend, spend the mark of the NWO.

"Money...It's a hit, don't give me that do-goody-good bull ****..." -pink floyd

well thats a good pink floyd quote.

Sure I stand with you, united agains the lies of my government, but I also must stand against Jones, in steady defiance of that which is not TRUTH. Your research of these organizations should have taught you a valuable lesson. Trust no one, but yourself, use your judgement, and your intellect.

couldnt agree more. my judgement and intellect have placed me in support of alex jones' cause. is he perfect? no. is he lying? no.

now you tell me - how did you come to the conclusion that alex jones belongs in the same box as 'these organizations'?

because i respect your opinion as it is mostly valid, answer me this:
IF there was a handfull of elitists who alone controlled the media, the military, and were members of secret societies and organizations like CFR, determined to destroy the sovergnty of the USA and establish a NWO, how would you inform the public? would you make appointments?

please identify the exact lies that alex has distributed. there are none. anything that alex isnt sure about, he puts a disclaimer before it. like you said, the man speculates. well - after you find enough skeletons, its kinda hard not to speculate. and mind you, he is JUST speculating. people "idolize" his speculations because they make more sense than anything else out there. its simple logic. alex may make some pretty bold claims, but hes not pulling it out his arse. lastly, I shouldnt be apologizing for alex. the man is human, you know it. why do you expect perfection. i honestly believe this man is doing his best to spread information that he is passionate about.

There is a paper trail, to the secret police, there is always a paper trail. As a jounalist, I would get tired of half-truth, and speculation after while. If no concrete evidence was able to be found I would be on a mission to find it and I wouldn't make people pay money for my products/movies if I couldn't guarantee the content. He would seem more noble and believeable if he wasn't making money off of you, but go ahead spend, spend, spend the mark of the NWO.

while i sympathize with your concerns, i think thats a bit selfish. have you even considered the amount of time and effort alex has likely put into this endevour of uncovering the truth? you say 'if you were a journalist, you would do this and that.' so alex chose the wrong career? hes only single handedly uncovering lies left and right, but no smoking gun paper trail - sorry alex, you're a failure.

what more do you need? would a paper trail to the secret police be enough? or would you find another reason to not believe?

in the end you're right about this:

Accepting Jones's half truths is no better than accepting bush's half truths about WMD's.

if alex is distributing half-truths, whether he claims them to be facts or just his speculation - it is your own fault for believing them if you havent done your homework.


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Those journalists worked hard, and they are accredited because they worked on award winning stories. Some won even for very in-depth exposes of companies, government officials, and organizations.

While I am forced to agree with your opinion and logic, because it does make sense. I must say, you are really reaching, and that if jones had acted more professionally and organized his information he would not have to battle the reputation he has today. Journalism is hard work! If it were easy everyone would do it. So he's lazy? is that what you are telling me? I can obviously see that isn't true. Why do you seem to think that eveything should fall into his lap. Rather did research, and scheduled interviews.

Now, I'll admit they are covering different subject matter, and I understand that it would be hard to be covering the subject matter that he does. Why does he need to use crude psychological tools to get his message across, he insults my intelligence by yelling at me, like I don't understand how urgent his message is. He is cocky and arrogant, and he has no right to be.

I cannot deny Jones's theories, I even believe that most are true, and rather undeniable. But I cannot stand Alex Jones. He just puts such a terrible spin on the message that I can't handle watching his videos. I can make unfounded accusations and claims, and just because nobody refutes them, becuase I didn't schedule interviews, desn't make them true.

He should rely on his logic, and less on the shock value trickery, and amateur antics, and maybe he would gain a large enough fan base that someone might recognize his work, and air it.

IF there was a handfull of elitists who alone controlled the media, the military, and were members of secret societies and organizations like CFR, determined to destroy the sovergnty of the USA and establish a NWO, how would you inform the public? would you make appointments?

So you are saying he should be afraid. That's what got us in this mess to begin with, it won't solve anything now. Take action, being gutless never solved anything, if his logic is that good it should obvoiusly sell itself. I agree he is doing his best, but is his bes helping, or causing more of a division between the populus, until we can no longer work together, and are forced to fight what the NWO had become? He is forcing people to one side, rather than arguing on a middle ground. He is creating turmoil, not harmony.

eye i dont know why you try so hard to discredit him. His "ambush journalism" piece on bohemian grove, where he dissects the dude in front of the republican convention is just brilliant. 3 pointeeer

Originally posted by jack burtonplease feel free to debunk the"facts"in the film or back them up

its up to jones to establish that they are correct, not the rest of the world to 'debunk' everything. He's made up this elaborate system of clandestine cabals that rule the world and are out to get 'him' (or at least everyone), but has no facts to support it, only interpretation and supposition. Thats irrational fear of others for oneself, thats, definitionally i beleive, paranoia.

Alex Jones is great i like his passion. He got me thinking about everything in the world this guy is a real patriot.

By the way check out this new site about his new and his best dvd
MARTIAL LAW 911: RISE OF THE POLICE STATE .

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Alex Jones is a bad bad man. Do all your selfs a favor and not listen to him.