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Originally posted by Leveller
That's not true.
The whole reason Mohammed went to Medina was because he was being persecuted in Mecca and because he knew that the Jews in Medina were
tolerant.
Originally posted by Leveller
It's a denial of reality to say that Mohammed created his religion without the help of the Jews. He took holidays, prophets, laws, so much that was in the Jewish belief system already. The religions have evolved from each other. Of course, followers of religion don't want to admit this. They want to believe that their religion is the only true one and that it was handed down by their god alone. Unfortunately for them, history and a clear head teaches us otherwise.
Originally posted by jake1997
You were showing allah = baal, the sungod.
I've been of the line of thought that had allah linked with allah, the moongod.
The three, sun, moon, and venus are the unholy trinity that has hounded Israel through the ages.
The meccans had a god for every day of the year, but the moongod was the highest.
Originally posted by jake1997
Enter Muhammed
He saw how well christianity was spreading and how well unified Israel was compared to the rest and mixed the original allah with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, ..and the result was islam. The one god worshiped by all in mecca was allah the moongod so he was the unifying choice
To this day, the remaining clues are everywhere.
The crescent moon on the flags
the idea to face mecca 5 times a day in prayer (moongod traditon)
Ramadan...the pilgramage to mecca during the month with TWO full moons
Originally posted by jake1997
The one god worshiped by all in mecca was allah the moongod so he was the unifying choice
To this day, the remaining clues are everywhere.
The crescent moon on the flags
the idea to face mecca 5 times a day in prayer (moongod traditon)
Ramadan...the pilgramage to mecca during the month with TWO full moons
Worshiping the moongod sin became synonymous with any kind of sin. (ie..holding anything else up higher then God or His word is sin)
I believe he had a plain white (or perhaps green?) cloth for a flag
Since Christians follow the Solar Calender, and Christs birthday is celebrated near THE SHORTEST DAY (see me emphasising an irrelevant fact), that must mean that the Christians are SUN WORSHIPPERS! See how ridiculous it sounds?
It would appear that he was 14 because that is what is given, and good job noting the problem with the child, but just as you pick up on that issue, so too is the entire story of Abe fraught with problems stemming largely from the fact that as within all of Genesis, at least three different versions of his story is told, likely from differing points of view.
Originally posted by babloyiActually a more accurate age for Ishmael would be 14 when Isaac was born, but even that is enough.
Double wrong again.
The crescent moon on whose flag? I wasn't aware that Islam had a flag. Perhaps you are referring to the Arabian flag (even though Arabia's current rulers are not well known for following Islam properly)? Whoops...no, even the Arabian flag has no crescent
The crescent moon and star is an internationally-recognized symbol of the faith of Islam. The symbol is featured on the flags of several Muslim countries, and is even part of the official emblem for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. The Christians have the cross, the Jews have the star of David, and the Muslims have the crescent moon, right?
What is the history behind the crescent moon symbol? What does it symbolize or mean? How and when did it become associated with the faith of Islam? Is it a valid symbol for the faith?
First of all, we’d like to voice our appreciation for the confidence you repose in us, and we hope our efforts come up to your expectation, and pray to Almighty Allah to help you in your study.
As for the issue you raised, we’d like to state that “the crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana
Then why did mohammed destroy the old idols and say to worhsip the god of abraham? Its either the moongod or the god of abraham. Muslims say they worhsip the god of abraham, therefore, they worhsip the god of abraham.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
ALthought I might be wrong and there might be antoher reason as to why the turk flag is a moon. Especailyl sincethe Turks aren't arabs.
Ridiculous, yet there is truth in it. Christian traditions are in large part based on the pagan traditions that the peopel held before christianizing
Originally posted by jake1997
Your penchant for inserting hate and sarcasm where there should be knowledge and research has lead me to make this the last response to you before putting you on ignore. If you cant research it, then just ask.
Crescent Moon
The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.
It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol.
Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.
Originally posted by jake1997
One is a picture of a symbol of the god , 'sin'
The other is from mecca today.
Same god, same symbols.
Originally posted by jake1997
Please understand that as a christian, I believe for fact, that all of this symbolism came directly from sumeria / babylon
Originally posted by jake1997
Double wrong again.
The crescent moon on whose flag? I wasn't aware that Islam had a flag. Perhaps you are referring to the Arabian flag (even though Arabia's current rulers are not well known for following Islam properly)? Whoops...no, even the Arabian flag has no crescent
Your penchant for inserting hate and sarcasm
It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world
You have seen the pictures of Mary and baby Jesus? You know that these pictures come from an earlier time? They do.
Muhammed came and declared the christian God. The Jewish God. The one at the time in mecca with the most followers was the one he used. He said that allah is really the God of Abraham etc..
Once they had accepted that idea, it was easy to insert some biblical 'law' and thus hijack both the moongod and bible.
Same god, same symbols
Islam is satans attempt to keep people from the truth of Christ.
The turks are muslims and that is why.
Please understand that as a christian, I believe for fact, that all of this symbolism came directly from sumeria / babylon
On the roof of the Maqam Ibrahim near the Ka'bah in 'Al Haram' the Symbol of the ascending and Crescent Moon is still present
Originally posted by jake1997
There are many pictures there that deny your logic.
Mecca is loaded with the pagan origins just as the Vatican is loaded with its pagan origins.
Originally posted by jake1997
I posted a muslim biased link and that clearly says the moon/star is the default symbol of islam. At mecca, we see both. Thats enough for me
Originally posted by Snowman9
It all aways amazes me, of peoples ignorance of the Koran.
oxymoron - contradiction if you mean that they hate muslims. Hating evil is fine...and islam is the spirit of the antichrist.
They have these misinformed views, and get answers form books or websites. Some are Christian sites that have a pure hate for Islam.
rather presumptive arent we?
How about reading the Koran. Then make a judgment. TO long for you to read, I bet.
today. You can change your name and you will not change WHO you are. Mecca holds the symbols...even if the pictures arent in the quran.
Allah is just the Arabic word for GOD. Just like Yawea(Spelled wrong) or others. The Jews had diffrent names for GOD. It is the same GOD though.
Hate to break it to you. Muslims worship the same GOD and your same prophets. Except Muhmmad.
Islam is totally agianst pagens.
I can show or point you to Pagen rituals that Christians do and celeabrate.
They use to be pagen, does that mean they still are.
Christmas= Easter=Pagen Holidays.
Originally posted by Snowman9
So you never read it. Then how do you truly know? YOu dont you have to take others word. So you relly know nothing, you know someones opinion.
THe Quran does not hang on every word of the Bible. It uses texts and passages from The thorah, some from the Gospels and some texts that did not make into the Bible. (Like Thomas) You wouldnt know that , because you have not read it.
That is all part of satans antichristian conspiracy. We are running up to the end time and the line is becoming blurred ...ignorance about Christ is ruling general society.(Posted By Jake 1997).
^ Exactly (ignorance about Christ) Thank you.
Originally posted by jake1997
Originally posted by Snowman9
So you never read it. Then how do you truly know? YOu dont you have to take others word. So you relly know nothing, you know someones opinion.
quote me. Your words not mine.
Ive actually read quite a bit and have expert backup
THe Quran does not hang on every word of the Bible. It uses texts and passages from The thorah, some from the Gospels and some texts that did not make into the Bible. (Like Thomas) You wouldnt know that , because you have not read it.
The quran lives and dies by a verse from the OT. Which verse is it? If muslims are wrong about it, there is no islam.
what is it?
I know
Do you?
That is all part of satans antichristian conspiracy. We are running up to the end time and the line is becoming blurred ...ignorance about Christ is ruling general society.(Posted By Jake 1997).
^ Exactly (ignorance about Christ) Thank you.
You said it. Its rare that someone here finally admits to it.
Thank you