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Originally posted by Templarum
Yes, during those long years of training by the medical establishment we learned nothing of how the body actually works. We learned nothing of physics, chemistry, how the body works as a system and how it responds to stimulus. It was a twelve year seminar on how to bilk people and rob them of their quality of life for a maximum profit.
Double-blind tests? They're usually reserved for paranormal and ESP trial claims, aren't they. Yes, let's reduce medical testing to the realm of the paranormal. Perhaps it is only upon that level where your smug credulity will serve you best.
But you do have the ultimate power over us. Stage a revolution: next time you fall ill, next time a dear relative becomes terminal or your loved one contracts some vile virus; don't seek professional medical attention. Cancel your health insurance and buy your Omnificent RIFE machine, or whatever fantastic device that will cure you in ways hereto unknown. Yes, I will miss eighty hours a week of making ill people even more sick, and I shall have to find some other way of entertaining myself than knowing I could save a persons life but instead letting them dwindle away.
And all this despite the fact that the majority of people whom we see are indigent and are not expected to pay for treatments. If there's no money involved, than I suppose I am simply a sadist. And a dumb one at that, as we all must be if we are to forgo several thousand dollars of test for a machine that must work and instead invest trillions of dollars researching things that simply do not.
For those people who believe that no medical establishment could be so lacking of integrity, so lacking of compassion, so dishonor their Hippocratic oath, I suggest you reflect on the Tuskegee, ALB. syphilis experiments carried out on black men for over a forty year period by our medical establishment, long after there was a cure. In fairness, I should say that I do not believe all the members of the Special Medical Research Committee and other doctors that were well informed about the success of the clinical trials were bad or evil men. I believe that then, as now, a great majority of people lack the integrity and courage to buck the system or powers that be.
Members of Special Medical Research Committee of the University of Southern California: Dr. Milbank Johnson, M.D., member of the board of directors of U.S.C. and committee chairman, Dr. Rufus B. van Klein Smidt, president of U.S.C., Dr. Charles Fischer, M.D., of the Children's Hospital in New York, Dr. Hayland Morrison, M.D., chief surgeon of the Santa Fe Railway, Dr. George Dock, M.D., of Pasadena, Dr. Karl F. Meyer of the George Williams Hooper Foundation in San Francisco ( U.C. Berkeley ), Dr. Alvin G. Ford, M.D., president of the American Association of Pathologists of Pasadena California.
Other doctors observing and collaborating on the results of the 1934 U.S.C. Special Medical Research Committee clinic were: Dr. Ray Lounsberry, M.D., Dr. James B. Couche, M.D., Dr. E.F.F. Copp, M.D., Dr. Thomas Burger, M.D., all of the San Diego area. Dr. Arthur Isaac Kendall, Ph.D., of Northwestern University faculty, Dr. Joseph Heitger, M.D., of Louisville, Kentucky, Dr. O.C. Gruner, M.D., head of the Archibald Cancer Research Committee of McGill University of Montreal, Canada, Dr. E.C. Rosenow, head of the department of research and bacteriology of Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota.
Originally posted by Templarum
Yes, during those long years of training by the medical establishment we learned nothing of how the body actually works. We learned nothing of physics, chemistry, how the body works as a system and how it responds to stimulus. It was a twelve year seminar on how to bilk people and rob them of their quality of life for a maximum profit.
Originally posted by Templarum
Double-blind tests? They're usually reserved for paranormal and ESP trial claims, aren't they. Yes, let's reduce medical testing to the realm of the paranormal. Perhaps it is only upon that level where your smug credulity will serve you best.
Originally posted by Templarum
But you do have the ultimate power over us. Stage a revolution: next time you fall ill, next time a dear relative becomes terminal or your loved one contracts some vile virus; don't seek professional medical attention. Cancel your health insurance and buy your Omnificent RIFE machine, or whatever fantastic device that will cure you in ways hereto unknown. Yes, I will miss eighty hours a week of making ill people even more sick, and I shall have to find some other way of entertaining myself than knowing I could save a persons life but instead letting them dwindle away.
And all this despite the fact that the majority of people whom we see are indigent and are not expected to pay for treatments. If there's no money involved, than I suppose I am simply a sadist. And a dumb one at that, as we all must be if we are to forgo several thousand dollars of test for a machine that must work and instead invest trillions of dollars researching things that simply do not.
Originally posted by Templarum
And yes, a radiofrequency generater is EXACTLY what this RIFE device is, nothing more, nothing less. What do you think these oscillations are? They reside upon the electromagnetic spectrum, they are radiofrequencies. [
Why don't we fire up some old RIFE generators (also refered to as Beck blood electrifications) and try them out? Why, you can still buy them from many sources. Guess what, they are advertised as Frequency generaters, because again, all they do is generate Radiofrequecy and nothing more. In addition, along with Cancer ablation, they are claimed to cure AIDS, Lyme disease, depression, etc... and there is positively no evidence that they do so. Quite the contrary, I have seen people who are terminal and embrace these along with other supposed miracle machines when there is no hope left, and sadly none of them has any effect other than setting back the dying patient several thousand dollars.
Are you aware of the lawsuits against vendors of these machines from customers? For the simple fact that they do not produce the results that they advertise. Do a google search, and you will find these lawsuits intermingled among ads.
And lastly, do you find it suspicious that Mr. Rife died of a supposed Valium overdose a full fifty years after his alleged discovery? This is what I meant about conspiracy conjecture. Were the powers that be really after him, I can't help but think that they would have silenced him long ago. Plus, valium overdose is a fairly barbaric thing: there are many other substances available within the medical community that will look like a natural death, especially in a person of that age.
Yes, the Phar industry is selfish, even when considered with the most uncynical mind. However, it is their funding which is responsible for most of the medical breakthroughs during the last few decades. But when you consider that they are responsible for withholding this technology, it is simply not the case. If these machines did work then Doctors themselves would purchase them and establish clinics offering RF treatments. They do it with every single modality of medical equipment, so why not these? Because of the FDA? Okay then, why not establish them in Mexico, or the Caribbean. If you could cure cancer with these devices, then the potential profits from such a device would have members of the established medical community lining up to perform these treatments, and not relegate their availability to web sites bearing new-age medical names. And if they did indeed work, you can be sure that they would cost several thousand times more than a couple of grand.
I'm sorry, but these machines don't work, neither in theory nor practice. And no amount of arguing will change that.
What do you know about Doctors? How many do you know personally? How many express their concerns and fears to you? How many people have you watched die? How many parents have you had to tell about their childs terminal condition?
You know positively nothing about what a health professional does and how many of them suffer along with their patients, and you do an incredible disservice when you accuse people who have dedicated their lives to assuaging suffering of holding back cures for the sake of money.
Originally posted by Templarum
You're both right. I was wrong in over-estimating your capacity for both knowledge and reasoning. Perhaps you gentlemen would be wise to enlighten yourselves with a few courses in anything that doesn't emerge from a computer screen (do not harangue me with your qualifications, you've already demonstrated them far better than you could describe). But then again, it's all establishment lies. Fare well in your quests for truth, and clue me in when several uneducated conspiracists are finally able to overturn three thousands years of conventional wisdom already proven by millions of lives saved.
Originally posted by Templarum
What do you know about Doctors? How many do you know personally? How many express their concerns and fears to you? How many people have you watched die? How many parents have you had to tell about their childs terminal condition?
You know positively nothing about what a health professional does and how many of them suffer along with their patients, and you do an incredible disservice when you accuse people who have dedicated their lives to assuaging suffering of holding back cures for the sake of money.
Originally posted by kdx175
Templarum, who has been trained by the Medical Establishment, to accept whatever they tell him.
Who hasn't performed any tests himself with Rife.
Who blindly accepts what his medical peers accept, and what the medical journals/books tell him.
The establishment that spends more time thinking up reasoning why Rife won't work, rather than trying it.
Until you have done real-world tests with your own rife machine.
Then your points are... well to put it bluntly... pointless...
FatherLukeDuke:
As has been said lots of times before, these machines have been tested and they don't work - what makes you think they do, apart from some apparently none existant research (that has never been replicated) from 70 years ago??
Originally posted by MankoW
It is about time to take this healing process from the medicine and pharmacy to the people who really know something, people who understand what is the energy, what is the wave and what is the life.
And even if I become ill maybe I should cancel my health insurance and die instead of being slave and object of greedy and utterly arogant people who are in this field of non productional work.
Poisoning people and taking their money, only that doctors well do.
It is just opinion which I confirm a lot of people agreed on that, and I am not happy about that.
True is the companies in pharmaceutics are disgustingly agressive in their taking of money from sick, people in pain and I am just dumb and ignorant and they are so good and helping people.
I find it amusing that people who are good in math and physics always go into IT, or some engineering, but people who are weak in those fields go study medicine and feel so important while their brain just can't function in the field of puting two and two together, but generaly this is true this is how system works, ts ts.
I have found that Rifes machine to put bluntly it changed Audio frequncies into Radio frequencies through a gas and then that exposed to air around the patients thus "devitalizing" the cancerous cells to let the immune system remove the rest so its not just the machine that does the work.
No wonder music has such a profound affect on many people.
This is not I repeat NOT an electromagnetic machine. It is a oscillator that generates non-audible, no tissue damage and no sensation noticed frequency that simply destroys the cancerous/bacterium cells. I think its a tad more complicated than just resonating frquencies in a sound wave.
We are all made of vibrations like I said before IT HAS BEEN PROVEN
Its a plasma connection that releases different frequencies, therefore if you find the oscillation of the human body you could in theory make the human body stronger and able to fight pathogens and heal wounds with ease
As soon as the companies start making money from a cure that is made of electronic components whats to stop people back engineering this patented technology and start curing everyone for FREE!!!
Originally posted by Templarum
Actually, it may surprise you to know that the pre-reqs of most medical schools require a minimum of 1 year of Calculus, along with advanced physical sciences. Do you not consider Chemistry, Cellular biology, Bio-chemistry, and Zoology as worthy? Cardiologists, Radiologists, Neurologists, and Nephrologists receive extensive schooling concerning physical and mathematical sciences. They are required to know how their machines work, and what effect they have on their patients down to a molecular level.
You think IT guys are saints of the modern day world? Consider that almost all of the major technologically 'productive' advances in sciences have ultimately had their roots in military development, and are crossed over into civilian applications. They are made by companies who advance the ability of killing other people to a science. I would consider that as agressively pursuing a profit at the expense of other peoples pain and suffering.
Pharmaceutical companies make pharmaceuticals. Companies like GE make medical equipment. The people who design these machines have both medical degrees, and engineering degrees. These companies invest trillions of dollars in R and D of new technologies. Why would they ignore RIFE machine development and yet pour billions into technologies much more strange and incomprehensible to all but a few engineers? One of these emerging techs is Nano-technology, where they're trying to make artificial cells that recognize cancerous cells (viruses too) and destroy them on an individual level. Why would they ignore an existing device such as a RIFE machine when it would be much much cheaper to produce them than take the high road with unproven things? It makes positively no sense, not economically, not physically, not ethically, and certainly not scientifically.
I'm not going to argue about this any further, because it is really frustrating to try to convince people of something that they don't seem to comprehend on even a basic level. That's not meant to be insulting, but why don't you guys take a while to investigate how this machine is supposed to affect the human body, and then read up on basic cell structure, and biological interaction with electromagnetic fields? My decade or so of formal training seems to hold no merit, indeed, it seems to be an object of derision. You want a 'double blind' test that is normally used for ESP claims? If you knew a little, you would see that that is an unscientific procedure, downright illegal and wholly unethical; you want to subject people to a medical treatment without their knowledge? How will you measure the results? WBC counts? Biopsies? Extensive medical imaging? Exploratory surgeries? C'mon, put two and two together.
Originally posted by Slashpepper
This little argument has actually made me smile...
You guys realise that in medical training you get taught how the body works and what the treatments do to help them don't you? They don't just memorise a list of treatments for every disorder blindly without the knowledge behind how it works, that would make a doctor unable to react to new diseases and problems making them, well, no better than a walking text book really. Have some respect.
Also, coming from a Physicists point of view here rather than medical....
Not sure why he used a gas to perform the transition, take a look at your radio and that transforms EM radiation into soundwaves, the transmitter doing the opposite, it's really quite a simple and easy process, even in the 40's. I presume you mean they've exposed the air to these EM waves which have been transformed through them and then this gas is exposed to the patient? I think something's gone awry here.
Now, before you said that it wasn't sound waves but radio frequencies above...
Why would sound vibrations help us in this way if it's got nothing to do with this form of vibrations?
But you said it transformed sound waves into EM waves? How exactly did he come accross the magical frequency to destroy ALL bacteria and cancer cells. Bacteria aren't all one size and shape you realise? They're not regular and crystalline (and neither are virus') The different sizes of bacteria will have different resonant frequencies, which are different again to cancer cells. For that matter, what about the different cells in my body? They are all going to have different resonant frequencies and could thus be killed off quite easily, if this machine actually works through some unfathomable system. How many people must he have killed finding the frequency specific to denature caner and virus cells?
We are all made of vibrations? How exactly has this been proven? What is vibrating exactly? I presume you're thinking of the vibration in string theory (As nothing else would make even remote sense) which, may I add, is at the limits of theoretical physics and as yet has not been integrated into the practical world or even exists in a state that could enable us to prove it. It's a theoretical concept that has neither been proven nor enables us to use it to cure cancer. These vibrations, accroding to the theory, are not going to be created via this machine, apart from being on a tiny scale, and we're talking the plank scale here, far below the size of elementary particles... how on earth would frequencies in the 10's of Herz range interact with these? They're completely seperate and you should not confuse.
Do you know what a Plasma is? Ionised gas. Right, so, we're using the EM radiation to ionise the gas in the chamber then subjecting the patient to ionised gas. Fair enough, this has been investigated for various things I'm sure but what exactly has this got to do with oscillations? You're strengthening the combined oscillations of the human body by exposing it to ionised gas such as that found in a thunderstorm. Heal Wounds? that's the bodies own processes building new cells in place, which you want to increase the speed of? Kind of unrelated to the location of destruction of other cells within the body doing this TOO fast (which is what cancer is doing)... speeding up cell growth seems an unwise plan to me. I think it's vitimins that you want, not ionised gas.
You realise the idea behind patents don't you? WHat do you think the company will do to people creating patented technology for free? Sit around and feel bad that they're losing money? I think not. It's called suing, and the law is quite specific about these things. The governement and companies involve will not stand by and watch this happen, why do you think you have to pay for technology?
Oh, and can we have some proof of his curing of 16 people from cancer please?
Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
When you listen to music does it not make you feel happy or sad depending on what it is you are listening too????
Without music you would be most depressed and probly not very sociable music goes back thousands and thousands of years BC so don't give me that music don't a make a difference crap.
I take it you know what a Chakra/Aura is don't you??? We have proven this exist but still nothing really gets mentioned about them so could you please tell me in your opinion what these electro/biological anomolies are???
Do you know what a Plasma is? Ionised gas. Right, so, we're using the EM radiation to ionise the gas in the chamber then subjecting the patient to ionised gas. Fair enough, this has been investigated for various things I'm sure but what exactly has this got to do with oscillations? You're strengthening the combined oscillations of the human body by exposing it to ionised gas such as that found in a thunderstorm.
(about the 16 patients cured) Well prove it didn't as there is alot of evidence from many professionals