Jesus resurected using black magic?

My freind interested me in a story that Jesus was resusrected by black magic. It all started with the ties to hitler and the occult. Supposedly the 11 sacred pureblood aryans were resusurected, they arose for three days and then returned the the grave. Just like jesus, it is known that Hitler's top officers (Himler, etc.) were interested in the occult and black magic. They actively searched for atlantis and pracitced this craft (hitler usually sat these things out) But back to my original point.

Jesus was greeted on the occasion of his birth, by three magi, or wise men. These magi, whom are tied closely to the wisdoms of the Qabalah, and the ability to perfom majik. The symbology of them at the birth is huge, because it shows that they had plans for this one. What if they came back after his death to resurect him, to create a new world religion to hide the truth of the Qabalistic text?

Not much is known about the Zohar (the written), the spoken, whispered, and unspoken parts of the Qabalaistic belief. All I know is that they had an ability tio parform Majik, and produce some very intense manifestations.

Is the story of jesus just like weekend at bernie's, without all the partying and hillarious mishaps?

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 - Every aspect of the occult is here mentioned specifically. It is all an "abomination" and is forbidden. Specifically forbidden are: one who practices "witchcraft" and a "sorcerer" and "one who conjures spells" and a "spiritist."

-www.biblestudylessons.com...


www.cuttingedge.org...
www.demonbuster.com...

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"Jesus used black magic" is to say "I know nothing about black magic". But that's okay, I'd rather people not have to experience it. Then, the only decision we have to make is, is Jesus the son of God or not? Read Matthew (Mark, Luke, and/or John), pray about it, and you'll get your answer.

Pray, train, study.
God bless

Originally posted by saint4God
"Jesus used black magic" is to say "I know nothing about black magic". But that's okay, I'd rather people not have to experience it. Then, the only decision we have to make is, is Jesus the son of God or not? Read Matthew (Mark, Luke, and/or John), pray about it, and you'll get your answer.

Pray, train, study.
God bless

I'd rather meditate...oops looks like I'm going to hell. Oh that's right hell doesn't exist. I forgot, and i was really looking foraward to waterskiing on the lake of fire.

And let me tell you, I have read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I was brought up as a devout RCC. I was done with that when they held the prayer ceremony that made people faint and speak in tounges. Hallelujia! Were they overwhelmed by the holy sprit? Nope, just overwhelmed by weird stuff that we were not introduced to before, that frightened most until they passed out. That doesn't sound like black magic or anything right? Or the symbology of eating the flesh of christ, and drinking his blood. This doesn't bother you at all either? Hmmm well i guess you just don't see it. The church teaches you to worship Jesus, but the church usually doesn't teach us how to live as christ did, his way of life is the key. I'd also say that i never got any answer form praying, except this answer: Maybe i sould re-evaluate my sprituality. Best prayer session ever, prayed myself right out of the church.

I try not to waste time worshiping paganism, even if it is disguised as something different. I have my own path to spitirtual enlightenment (you know, the people you all think are satanists) thanks for trying to impose your religion on me, but you should invest in a white collared shrt, black tie, and a bike helmet. You can ride door to door and spread the word of christ, wouldn't tht be just peachy? Oh wait...somebody does that already? Oh well i guess just ignore that idea.

I gave up on the christain religion ages ago. Oh, i'll save you the trouble of posting again by saying:

"may god have mercy on my soul"

Worship, the, sun
Praise Horus!

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Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I'd rather meditate...oops looks like I'm going to hell. Oh that's right hell doesn't exist. I forgot, and i was really looking foraward to waterskiing on the lake of fire.

Sounds like either way it's a miserable outcome for ya. I hope there's a better future for you than those to options.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
And let me tell you, I have read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Good good. Did you get your proof? What caused you to turn against God?

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I was brought up as a devout RCC. I was done with that when they held the prayer ceremony that made people faint and speak in tounges.

Those kinds of things seem to cause confusion instead of clarity. I don't believe per the Bible God is the God of confusion.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Hallelujia! Were they overwhelmed by the holy sprit?

*shrugs* Dunno.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Nope, just overwhelmed by weird stuff that we were not introduced to before, that frightened most until they passed out. That doesn't sound like black magic or anything right?

Not black magic, no. Black magic is pretty overt, explaining what it does, source of power, etc. The risk is this practice might accidently lead people to God and that's not a risk Black Magic is willing to take.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Or the symbology of eating the flesh of christ, and drinking his blood. This doesn't bother you at all either? Hmmm well i guess you just don't see it.

I would, if I only read the chapter on the last supper. In John 6:25 forward, Jesus goes through a very thorough explaination of what this means. Check this out after he tells everyone "I am the bread that came down from heaven."

John 6:52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
John 6:63 (Jesus) "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are the spirit and they are the life."

Aha! So we see the bread is not his flesh (since it counts for nothing) but the word of God that comes from him. Jesus never says, "I am now turning this bread into my physical flesh" nor "I am turning this wine into my own physical blood" so let's stop "gettin' physical" and listen to what he has to say about God as he says in John 6:63 above.

Jesus does speak in parables and announces that he does so. If a person is not looking at these analogies then they're missing out on the multi-level application and creativity of God's wisdom. Living law-by-law like Leviticus just gets society missing the core points of love and understanding later on. (See Pharisees)

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
The church teaches you to worship Jesus, but the church usually doesn't teach us how to live as christ did, his way of life is the key.

Then my friend, it's time to find a place that does. It is our responsibility to find a place like that. If we do not, it's our responsibility to create a place like that. It doesn't have to be in a building but in your heart and in your spirit.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I try not to waste time worshiping paganism, even if it is disguised as something different.

*nods*

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I have my own path to spitirtual enlightenment (you know, the people you all think are satanists)

Uhm, I've met my fair share of satanists and was good friends with one who taught me quite a bit. I'm not an authority, but I know the funky smell of evil fairly well.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
thanks for trying to impose your religion on me, but you should invest in a white collared shrt, black tie, and a bike helmet. You can ride door to door and spread the word of christ, wouldn't tht be just peachy?

No. Who would care? Not the people I talk to. Not God because I'd be wasting my time. Not me because it's not about me.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Oh wait...somebody does that already? Oh well i guess just ignore that idea.

If they have success in that, more power to them. It wasn't what I was asked to do though.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I gave up on the christain religion ages ago. Oh, i'll save you the trouble of posting again by saying:

"may god have mercy on my soul"

You think I'm soooo predictable, huh? Stick around, I may surprise ya

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Worship, the, sun
Praise Horus!

Interesting. I've ran into the name of this god in different forms recently, yet when I asked him to reveal himself over a decade ago when I challenged everything, he still remains a no-show to this day. I'm not talking about a ball of fire in the sky, but a god.


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All Must Worship Zombie Jesus!

Well, if nothing else, it's catchy.

The pot-versus-kettle “white magic” versus “black magic” arguments are quite worthy of consideration, in my opinion, and deserve more than just a dogmatic brush-off.

A devout Jew would never suggest that another Jew -- or anyone, for that matter -- so much as simulate drinking blood. That is decidedly non-kosher, as is eating human flesh.

Not coincidentally, Jews are very touchy about that because of blood libel.

Either Jesus was a devout Jew, as he claimed himself to be, or he wasn't. You can't have it both ways.

Well, not honestly, anyway.

Even as professing Christian, I could never figure out how ritual vampirism and cannibalism were “good” for one faith, but “evil” for another.

I guess it all depends on who happens to be pointing the finger.

These are what intrique me most about Jesus. What amazes me constantly is how many take these parables literally instead of trying to understand Jesus's meaning.

Recently had one give me the ole fire and brimstone "great knashing of teeth speech". I asked him wasn't Jesus trying to make a point and not speaking literally. "It's right there in the Bible" was his reply. Sheesh!!!!!!

As peaceful and as much a pacifist as I some people just need a good ole "shakin'"!!

Originally posted by Majic
All Must Worship Zombie Jesus!

Well, if nothing else, it's catchy.

There's nothing dead, will-less, speechless, nor mindless about Jesus...so the zombie definition doesn't fit here.

Originally posted by Majic
A devout Jew would never suggest that another Jew -- or anyone, for that matter -- so much as simulate drinking blood. That is decidedly non-kosher, as is eating human flesh.

*tap tap tap goes the pen* Interesting. Good pick-up from Leviticus . The look on the faces of the Pharisee priests must have been priceless...

Originally posted by Majic
Either Jesus was a devout Jew, as he claimed himself to be, or he wasn't. You can't have it both ways.

Well, not honestly, anyway.

He was the devout son of God. Sorry, but that overrides the skewed portions of heritage. It's like saying Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't an American because he spoke against the way the country was segregated.

Originally posted by Majic
Even as professing Christian, I could never figure out how ritual vampirism and cannibalism were “good” for one faith, but “evil” for another.

*taps the microphone* Is this thing on? *clears throat*. Okay, for those of you who just came in I'll write it on the board. Take notes, it'll be on the final exam..

In John 6:25 forward, Jesus goes through a very thorough explaination of what this means. Check this out after he tells everyone "I am the bread that came down from heaven."

John 6:52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
John 6:63 (Jesus) "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are the spirit and they are the life."

Aha! So we see the bread is not his flesh (since it counts for nothing) but the word of God that comes from him. Jesus never says, "I am now turning this bread into my physical flesh" nor "I am turning this wine into my own physical blood" so let's stop "gettin' physical" and listen to what he has to say about God as he says in John 6:63 above.

Jesus does speak in parables and announces that he does so. If a person is not looking at these analogies then they're missing out on the multi-level application and creativity of God's wisdom. Living law-by-law like Leviticus just gets society missing the core points of love and understanding later on. (See Pharisees)

Originally posted by Majic
I guess it all depends on who happens to be pointing the finger.

We know what Jesus says about judgement. I don't want to waste your time there since you already have the background.



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hmmm

I was brought up as a devout RCC. I was done with that when they held the prayer ceremony that made people faint and speak in tounges. Hallelujia!

I didnt know the RCC did that. Its almost like someone mixed together two opposing view and gave credit to one of the sources.
I thought that the RCC was pretty standardized all over. Could you tell me more about this please.

Thanks

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Bringing A Message Of Divine Duplicity?

So he was basically “kidding” when he did this:

Matthew 26

26 ¶And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

and, in the same chapter you cite, said this:

John 6

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Regardless of the disingenuous nature apparently ascribed to Jesus by saying he didn't really say what he supposedly really said, the Eucharist is, by any rational definition, ritual vampirism and cannibalism.

If you engage in a ritual where you pretend to drink blood and eat human flesh, that's what that means.

Some avowed Christians go so far as to formalize that in such doctrines as Transubstantiation. They apparently didn't find the “John 6 rebuttal” any more convincing than I do.

The Last Supper described in the gospels portrays ritual vampirism and cannibalism, in as many words, without any ambiguity whatsoever.

According to the gospels, Jesus emphatically condoned these things. In fact, as explicitly pointed out in John 6:53, if you don't do them, then “ye have no life in you.”

I'm not making that up, that's literally what is being described by the scriptures themselves.

No amount of tapping on pens or microphones will change what has been written and passed down over the centuries as the “Word of God”.

Hence my enduring puzzlement over why those who claim to bring truth insist on turning away from it.

We already know which god promotes that sort of behavior.

Originally posted by Majic
Some avowed Christians go so far as to formalize that in such doctrines as Transubstantiation. They apparently didn't find the “John 6 rebuttal” any more convincing than I do.

How can you say that what Jesus says here is not valid? Then one may as well throw out the whole book because using it piecemeal causes more harm than good. Talk to God about it, he'll tell you what you need to know without going through me.

Originally posted by Majic
The Last Supper described in the gospels portrays ritual vampirism and cannibalism, in as many words, without any ambiguity whatsoever.

I guess we could go back and forth restating the same point over and over again, but what's the point? I see it your way, but mine doesn't get a glance?

Originally posted by Majic
No amount of tapping on pens or microphones will change what has been written and passed down over the centuries as the “Word of God”.

Just bringing some expression to an otherwise redundant and dry discussion. I have no need to change the Word of God. Even if I did, I could not. What is written is written. What He says He says. I devote a good amount of study to it...so why would I claim to 'know everything' if I'm still studying?

Hence my enduring puzzlement over why those who claim to bring truth insist on turning away from it.

I don't know why you puzzle yourself (see above insistence that it is vampiric cannibalism), but okay. Maybe some more introspection will help.

Jesus Says: “Eat Me!”

Originally posted by saint4God
How can you say that what Jesus says here is not valid? Then one may as well throw out the whole book because using it piecemeal causes more harm than good. Talk to God about it, he'll tell you what you need to know without going through me.

I can't speak to its validity (aside from saying that I find this whole Eucharist business highly implausible), only to its consistency, which it lacks to an astonishing degree.

If you peruse that article on Transubstantiation, you'll find the following:

Those who heard Jesus's words appear to have taken them literally, as the majority were shocked and left him. Adherents to Jewish Law consider eating blood one of the worst transgressions of kashruth, the law of eating and drinking, and a violation of the noachide laws which apply to all people and not just Jews.

This account is consistent with my studies of the issue, with one important exception: I'm not convinced that Jesus ever actually promoted the Eucharist at all. Of course, I could be mistaken, but I strongly suspect that was added later -- along with a lot of things Jesus never actually said or did.

But that's my take, your mileage may reasonably vary.

In my favor, I argue that I'm pretty sure Jesus was a scrupulously honest man, a learned and ethical rabbi, and that he didn't promote ritual vampirism, cannibalism, or worship of him, or a book, or any other false idol.

Such things would be impossible for one who claimed that he would not change one “jot or tittle” of the law.

In other words, my objection stems from the fact that I am convinced that Jesus was not a liar, but falsely credited with speaking many lies which he never spoke.

Contrary to the false accounts of him, I think Jesus was very consistent, and I also think he was right.

Take that for what it's worth.

The Back And Forth

Originally posted by saint4God
I guess we could go back and forth restating the same point over and over again, but what's the point? I see it your way, but mine doesn't get a glance?

No, I read your arguments very carefully, and disagree with them.

There is a difference.

Taps

Originally posted by saint4God
Just bringing some expression to an otherwise redundant and dry discussion. I have no need to change the Word of God. Even if I did, I could not. What is written is written. What He says He says. I devote a good amount of study to it...so why would I claim to 'know everything' if I'm still studying?

As far as I can tell, you've never claimed to “know everything”, so I'm not sure what that's about.

I'm not knocking a little flamboyance -- I'm rather fond of it myself. But when you tap a pen, or a microphone, or wave a hand, don't take it wrong when someone waves back.

Always Time For More Introspection

Originally posted by saint4God
I don't know why you puzzle yourself (see above insistence that it is vampiric cannibalism), but okay. Maybe some more introspection will help.

Actually, I have the benefit of over 25 years of introspection on this and other matters of Christian dogma that I ultimately had to reject in order to be able to live with myself.

I decided to stop lying to myself, and stop accepting lies as truth, and ever since, life has been much happier for me, and new doors of love and light are open to me -- though I am still forever at the beginning, and grizzled enough to know that as soon as I become certain of anything, I am certainly wrong.

Introspection is, in my opinion, ultimately one of the main reasons why we're here.

If only it were more common.

I Argue Because I Love

Skepticism (not cynicism) is not only valuable for spiritual growth, but indispensable to it.

My primary criticism of those who embrace any doctrine without question is that such a policy is founded on the vain assumption that one can infallibly choose which doctrine is the “one true faith”.

In other words, to do so is to commit the ultimate sin of vanity, and place faith not in truth, but one's own infallibility.

That's why those who do so inevitably end up falling into darkness, victims of their own self-deceit.

Even the Pope makes mistakes.

I've seen this error repeated countless times by countless people, and been there myself -- more than I care to discuss casually, though I dare not deny it, lest I suffer further punishment for it.

My overall point in all this is that our true Creator is not a liar, does not disseminate lies, and does not warn us to avoid using the minds we were born with.

Only false gods do that.

Well... it's fiction.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
My freind interested me in a story that Jesus was resusrected by black magic. It all started with the ties to hitler and the occult. Supposedly the 11 sacred pureblood aryans were resusurected, they arose for three days and then returned the the grave.

And very very bad fiction. There were no "pureblood aryans" in Israel at that time. To make that horrible leap of logic, you have to start by assuming that all Jews (no matter what skin color) are pureblood Aryan.

The resurrection of the 11 is actually a medieval bardic legend of King Arthur. So someone's badly mangling lengends.

Jesus was greeted on the occasion of his birth, by three magi, or wise men. These magi, whom are tied closely to the wisdoms of the Qabalah, and the ability to perfom majik. The symbology of them at the birth is huge, because it shows that they had plans for this one. What if they came back after his death to resurect him, to create a new world religion to hide the truth of the Qabalistic text?

The Qaballa didn't actually exist until the Middle Ages. The first books were written about 100 AD
www.wbenjamin.org...

www.magicalpowers.com...

Not much is known about the Zohar (the written), the spoken, whispered, and unspoken parts of the Qabalaistic belief.

Actually, there's a LOT written about it and a lot that's understood. In fact, the main body of the Zohar was written by Moses de Leon in the late 1200's:

www.digital-brilliance.com...

But some of the hawkers of the Mystic Ineffibility (on sale for $29.95 or available in 6 easy lessons for $299) like to tell you that there's this huge area of Unknown. The rabbis would scoff at this -- but the Kaballah IS hard to attain for moderns, because it does require years and years of study.

Anyway, the story is fiction and from what you detail, it's pretty bad fiction. Readable, but BADLY researched and kit bashed from a lot of Medieval romance legends.

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Originally posted by jake1997
hmmm

I was brought up as a devout RCC. I was done with that when they held the prayer ceremony that made people faint and speak in tounges. Hallelujia!

I didnt know the RCC did that. Its almost like someone mixed together two opposing view and gave credit to one of the sources.
I thought that the RCC was pretty standardized all over. Could you tell me more about this please.

Thanks

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That's funny, neither did I and i was a member. At a secluded and private retereat in the mountains our church's priests, and practicing/ aspiring priests had a special prayer ceremony in which, sbout six or so priests placed their hands on the head and shoulders of the person (or just above the skin. similar to the feeing of a Reiki session). People bagan to faint and talk in tongues, which i might add, eneded up being mostly bull-schizim. Heck just about everyone fainted (could it be that after one pretened to to do it, otheres followed, so that coulf feel loke spiritual equals?) and some spoke in tounges, Pretty much ceverything you would see on the evangelical channels on TV, minus Peter Poppov.

Wow, you guys give religion a lot of credit. I don't consider the bible a Refrencable text at all, it has no merit because it was written but the emperoror constantine to unite the poeple, the pagans and the christians. He made it into a bastardized form of paganism. But that is another discussion for another board.

here's a taste

Pagans-worship the sun-symbol represented by circle (the sun) the the center of cross ("+" length of peices equal) and it is surrounded by the twelve zodiacs that the sun moves through.

Christians-Worship Jesus-Symbol represtneted by the 'son' of god (representing the perfet union of isis and osirus, or the god horus.) Mounted at the center of the cross. Surrounded during his life cycle by twelve apostles/disciples.

The truth of course is that he had more disciples that taht, it's just that some writings were intentionally left out, to make jesus into a diety, not just a man. You know what else "turns water into wine"? The germenting energy of the sun. Does not the reflection of the sun "walk across water?" You all picking up on this?


There are two things I know. Ther romans wrote the bible (mostly constantine and his council), the Romans also had a large part in crucifying jesus. If you view the teachings of the religion you will find that it is symbolic of how the religion holds people back spiritually. It's quite funny really, Jesus who died at the hands of the romans, who was convicted by the romans; died for the sins of his people. The people jesus died for are the ones who teach the way of life of jesus (a very dnageerous teaching indeed) Therefore "the sins of his people" means thet he dide because the commonor jesus figured out the divine wisdom of the universe. The magicians realm.

Frankly I don't really care at all what constantine's input is, becuse i know that already. So i am going to chose to discredit the bible in favor of other, more ancient and truthful sprirtual documents, and learn to recognize the biggest bible in the universe, the text that is mother nature, and the divine harmony of the unverse. Of which christians represent the extreme culture.

No one has addresed, my point of the Three Maji at the birth of christ. This is a symbolic rite in thier culture. Something very meaningful. The were guided by the north star--->the dog star serius, which represents Inubis, who brought the sacred floods to the nile river basin. Inubis represented the uniton of isis and her brother/husband Osirus, theis ame figure is later called horus. Sounds like pagan symbology to me.

Originally posted by Byrd
Well... it's fiction.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
My freind interested me in a story that Jesus was resusrected by black magic. It all started with the ties to hitler and the occult. Supposedly the 11 sacred pureblood aryans were resusurected, they arose for three days and then returned the the grave.

And very very bad fiction. There were no "pureblood aryans" in Israel at that time. To make that horrible leap of logic, you have to start by assuming that all Jews (no matter what skin color) are pureblood Aryan.



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seriously, give me more credit that that dude. I didin't ask you to go through a time warp, i was just drawing parallel between the two case studies, or claims. Comparing christains to the radical, and downright scary prctices of the NAZIS. Hitler believed n the strngth and power of the bloodline, and apparently so did christ, even those who read the Da-vinci code could argue that. Wow, is that the best you got, a misquotation and idea used out of context? I definietly don't know what made YOU make that horrile leap of logic, that you have to start asuming i don't know how time works. Thanks for the credit.

and acutally unless you are intitiate into the secret brotherhood of the Qabalah, you knoe NOTHING. Dont claim you do, or that anyone else who isn't a qabalist, does. That is a horrible leap of logic

There are four types of qabalah:

the qabablah that is read
...that which is spoken
...that which is whispered,
...that which is not spoken at all

If it is so easy, translate, verbatum to english, the works of the zohar. A text you seem to know little about. It was written in aramaic, the laguage of the time of christ. A language so arcane that i douby you or anyone but a Qabalist would even know where to start. Ignrance de-nied!

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@Eyeofhorus
"Eating the flesh of christ and drinking his blood......"
Words of JC?No,and sorry for the Savior-God,but just a copy of what
Mithra said,a long time before him :
He who will not eat of my body, nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.
(Mithraic Communion )
Baloria

BTW,Eyeofhorus,the picture of Horus-Light of the World could be more
suitable for your avatar.
www.jesusneverexisted.com...
Baloria

Thats a great page!
It really shows the roots of the rcc

I have now come to the conclusion that many who could no longer get any mileage on "bashing" other groups have now turned their attention to the Roman Catholic Church.

After that is over the next culprit will be MAGGIE MOO ice cream stores for their dispension of a flavored ice cream that if eaten too much of makes people become large.

Apparently, the bashing of the RCC is the new "in thing" among those that consider themselves "Christians." I saw it the other nite on one of those "honest" TV evangelical stations.

Such "love" being passed among "Christians"?

Originally posted by Majic
Jesus Says: “Eat Me!”

Love poking fun at the J-man, huh? Does trivializing his words into modern sexual inuendo make it feel okay to reject him?

Originally posted by Majic
I'm not convinced that Jesus ever actually promoted the Eucharist at all.

He did sit and break bread and said to do this in rememberence of him, yes? If you have issue with transubstantiation, then I can understand because I don't see where it's written.

Originally posted by Majic
In my favor, I argue that I'm pretty sure Jesus was a scrupulously honest man, a learned and ethical rabbi, and that he didn't promote ritual vampirism, cannibalism, or worship of him, or a book, or any other false idol.

Amen.

Originally posted by Majic
No, I read your arguments very carefully, and disagree with them.

There is a difference.

Aha! Okay, thanks for clarifying. The restating of the same exact point without addressing mine didn't seem to demonstrate this.

Originally posted by Majic
I'm not knocking a little flamboyance -- I'm rather fond of it myself. But when you tap a pen, or a microphone, or wave a hand, don't take it wrong when someone waves back.

Agreed...er...you're not going to flip me the bird now, are ya?

Originally posted by Majic
Actually, I have the benefit of over 25 years of introspection on this and other matters of Christian dogma that I ultimately had to reject in order to be able to live with myself.

I cannot speak on dogma because I go by God and scripture.

Originally posted by Majic
I decided to stop lying to myself, and stop accepting lies as truth,

Good good. One should never lie to themselves for any reason.

Originally posted by Majic
and ever since, life has been much happier for me, and new doors of love and light are open to me -- though I am still forever at the beginning, and grizzled enough to know that as soon as I become certain of anything, I am certainly wrong.

Wouldn't it be nice though to be certain of the future and this hotly debated topic called God?

Originally posted by Majic
In other words, to do so is to commit the ultimate sin of vanity, and place faith not in truth, but one's own infallibility.

That's why one should not be 'deciding' what faith to follow, rather seek the truth until found.

Originally posted by Majic
Even the Pope makes mistakes.

According to the Book he represents, everyone is a sinner.

Originally posted by Majic
My overall point in all this is that our true Creator is not a liar, does not disseminate lies, and does not warn us to avoid using the minds we were born with.

Only false gods do that.

Amen.

By the way, I joined ATS because I was led to reading a thread you'd created on your history. For that I gotta give a hearty thanks

[edit on 5-5-2005 by saint4God]

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I have now come to the conclusion that many who could no longer get any mileage on "bashing" other groups have now turned their attention to the Roman Catholic Church.

It would probably be more helpful if you told the difference between bashing and information. Or is anything that speaks against the RCC called bashing?