NEWS: Texas School Board Adds Bible Class

gee sounds like what happened when our "special forces"was broken up a few years ago due to some illigal practices. most ended up in the "new" unit. in reality all they did was change the name.

now in that case the problem was mainly haizing practices. yours is much more serious. i don't understand how they could let that happen? it would have been unfair to any who were innocent but there should have been some serious checks made into "ex-personell" before a rehire was even considdered. looks like someone made a serious judgement error. again it is a question of "who watches the watcher"?

If it was an afterschool class that would provided credits, I Wouldn't have a problem with it

Just out of curiosity would they have a problem if a jewish person or muslim taught the bible study course?



[edit on 28-4-2005 by bordnlazy]

Well then, who wants a stake? Or maybe a good lynching if you find a witch or two. Maybe a drowning if you capture a jew. I know, let's get the Iron Maiden(torture device, not the band) and round up some negros.

I swear, this is like Mississippi reinstating the Jim Crow Laws or Georgia setting up Neo-Nazi's as the main government, just wrong.

On the "mandatory" electives, there are some. Like you don't have to take art, unless you want to pass. You don't have to take 5 credits worth of electives, unless you want to pass. You don't have to take a foreign language class, unless you want to pass. But how it is an elective is they don't say what kind of art, music, paint/pottery, whatever. They don't tell you which language you have to take, and this is how they have "mandatory" electives. You have to take them, but you choose which one.

Also, if you want a song to explain religon, listen to Cathedral by Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

This is pure propaganda!!!

I don't believe it! How can you accept this endoctrinment??

I personally am a christian. I do agree that if any religious classes are to be taught in a public school it should be in a curriculum that gives each an equal amount of fair time. I also do not think that evolution in any form should be taught in science classes as that it is as much a faith that evolution occurs as it is that christ has came to this earth and died for our sins.

On the topic of the elective. There was definatly enough proponenets of this to get it passed, I would think that being an elective there will be minimal seats and as such it is more likely that those at the end of the lines are not going to be able to get into these classes than that they will be forced to take them.

Obviously there must be more people in this schoold district who would want their children in these classes then not, so its logical to assume the same interest would be shown in getting their children into these classes.

Originally posted by shots

I agree with you I know exactly how electives goes, they are "electives" but you have "mandatory electives"

Would you care to elaborate on that Marg. I have never hear of any "mandatory electives" in our shoals here.

I was a teacher for middle school in the state I live now, mandatory elective mean, you start with one class elective 1 and spread through the 4 years in high school meaning if you start with the first elective 1 (bible class) you have to take all the electives up to your four year in high school on the same subject.

Foreign language in our state spreads from middle school to high school first as an elective and then is mandatory. It encourage the students to stay with the same class from middle school to high school.

The elective on one subject can spread into 4 electives from basic, to introduction, intermediate and advance.

Tricky but it keeps the students hook to one subject as elective. Onces you start with it you have to stick to it.

Originally posted by marg6043

I was a teacher for middle school in the state I live now, mandatory elective mean, you start with one class elective 1 and spread through the 4 years in high school meaning if you start with the first elective 1 (bible class) you have to take all the electives up to your four year in high school on the same subject.

Foreign language in our state spreads from middle school to high school first as an elective and then is mandatory. It encourage the students to stay with the same class from middle school to high school.

The elective on one subject can spread into 4 electives from basic, to introduction, intermediate and advance.

Tricky but it keeps the students hook to one subject as elective. Onces you start with it you have to stick to it.

First do you my chance a a phone number of the school so I can confirm what you are saying is in fact true?


Now with that said, I have to admit, I had to call my local high school to get an definative answer on this, but apparently things do not work that way in the whole of the US.


According to a person named Carol, what you are stating would not be true around here. Electives are just that they are elective courses and you can pick and chose which ones you want to attain your required amount of credits to graduate.

Example gym is mandatory for three years and the fourth you can pick and choose anyone of the elective courses to attain your required credits to graduate (32 here), during your fourth year.

Now it is understood that if you opt to take art as an elective in your first year and want to continue taking art you would be required to take art 2 if that is the path you wanted to take, but it is still up to the student since the course is elective.

Now if that is what you are getting at yes they would be mandatory for credits only, yet you still get to pick which course you want out of what is available as an elective however none of them are mandatory the choice is yours and yours alone.


Or are you talking about courses that would be required to enter college, that opens up a whole new bag of worms. But you have not stated this was the case.





[edit on 4/28/2005 by shots]

In or local High Schools in Santa Barbara County of California. Electives work exactly as the imediatly preceding post states.

Through out your highschool career each year you can take upto 6 sometimes 7 different classes in a day. You do this for two semesters a year for four years. Provided you dont fail a class - the required curriculum to graduate is shorter then the said 48 classes a normal student would take over their 4 years. Classes that fall outside the required curriculum are considred electives, classes that fall inside the state required curriculum to graduate are manditory classes.

There is no such thing as a manditory elective here. Because you took Ag welding A that doesnt mean the next time an elective period comes up on your schedule your forced into Ag welding B. However, Ag Welding A is a pre-requisite to Ag Welding B and you can not get into the B course without having succesfully completed the A course.

Now lastly the state Curriculum for california does require I believe 12 units of electives of 4 classes.....in its general curriculum. However the student gets to choose from a list of electives which to take. This is the closest thing to a "Manditory Elective" simply that the student has to be siting in a class somewhere for the credits.

So you have:

Basic Manditory Curriculum: Classes required by the state for a student to graduate.
Electives: Classes that are an optional class.

Required Elective Units for Basic Curriculum.

Electives: Classes chosen from a list that often include what many refer to as vocational skills.

Pre-requisits: Classes that are required to be completed before admission to a particular course is allowed. Typically because the class that requires the PreReqs builds on the skills and knowledge learned in the required class.

my 2 cents -

Bible class as an elective is perfectly fine, as is Koran class or Torah class. If the community decides this is an appropriate option then great.

In high school I had an elective called Religions of the World, which was very informative and really an enjoyable class. I wonder if that county in Texas offers a similar class.

Of course, the ACLU will do all they can to stop this from happening. You would think they could find some real cause to back. We get it already - you hate Christians! If it weren't for their continual attacks on Christians and Christmas the Democrats would be faring much better in the elections. Democrats should distance themselves from the ACLU fast.

There has been an amount of talk about Texas in this thread and I would like to add my three cents.

I am not from this country, but I did go to high school here (in Texas.) I went to a Houston school (Stratford... Go Spartans...) for a couple of years and then I went to a Rosenberg school (Lamar... Suck, suck, suck.)

Rosenberg is a small, drug-filled, backwards town. The high school there, for the most part, had extremely low grade teachers. You got the feeling that the teachers in that school were sent there because they got kicked out of better schools, though that is probably not true.

Anyways, in the Houston school, the good school, we were taught about evolution in biology classes and we were taught about Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, native American beliefs, Greek, Roman, and Egyptian "mythology," and Norse "mythology" in history classes.

In the small-town Rosenberg school, we were taught nothing about anything. It was horrible, with one saving grace - the biology teacher, "Old Man Broom," taught evolution and nothing but.

I have erased about three paragraphs of drunken senselessness, but I just want to stress that Texas has some of the best colleges and high schools in the country, but also some of the most yocalized bassackwards bayou-swimmin', bible smackin' small-town scholastic mounds of fertilizer as well.

Zip

Okay, some people don't know what electives are... ?

There are two kinds -

Required electives -- IE, you need some arts electives and some language electives. What's "elective" about it is that you can choose the language, etc. As far as "art" electives go, you can choose, for instance, a painting class or a music or band class, a drama class, a choir class, or whatever.

When you were a kid, for this kind of elective, you either took a gym class or played a sport, for example.

Electives That Just Take Up Hours -- these electives just give you hours and it doesn't matter what you take - for instance, electronics, agriculture, etc.

From the article, I gather that this class will take up a history or literature elective. Some history and literature classes are mandated - for instance, you must take History I (American History,) and History II (World History,) but this would take up your History III, which would be a choice between this and European History or something like that.

Or, for literature, you have to take American Literature and you must take World Literature, but maybe you can choose this instead of English Literature. These are just examples.

Hope this helps, though I've been drinking and I just broke up with my girlfriend again.

Zip

I am glad to hear it!

They can have one on Islam also for all I care.